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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Donegal => Topic started by: BRUCE123 on Tuesday 07 November 17 15:38 GMT (UK)
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Hi I am trying to link the family of James Morrison 1816-1898 wife Anne Devany 1819-1883 Culdaff. and Robert Morrison 1833-1904 Gulladuff. can anyone help. Any help would be appreciated.
All the best Bruce
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have a look at Donegal resources
http://www.donegalgenealogy.com
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James Morrison date 1827 at Golladuff on the titheapplotment books
http://www.titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie
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Hi rathmore. Thank you. I should have said I had been through all these site. sorry thank you all the same. all the best bruce.
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their was a James Morrison who lived with his brother in Greencastle near Moville in 1978 he was local bog agent
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Hi Sean
Thank you, I add him to my list of Moville Morrisons, do you have any details? all the best Bruce.
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Not sure if the Morrisons of Greencastle are connected to yours in Moville but there were quite a few Morrisons in Greencastle:
James and Marianne Morrison, who had two sons William Hugh (died 1875) and James (died 1876) both in infancy and a daughter Charlotte Ellen who died in 1884. Also Marianne Morrison died 1903 and James Morrison died 1951.
William and Sarah Morrison (died 1897 and 1921 respectively). William’s brother Robert died in 1923.
There was a James and Margaret Morrison (died 1965 and 1966 respectively), who lived in Greencastle and their sons were:
James Morrison died 27th February 1983 Greencastle
William Morrison died 18th May 1991
Robert Morrison died 20th July 1993
Their daughters were Margaret Ada died 1946 and Marion died 1976
Also John and Elizabeth Jane Morrison of Carrichue have a memorial in Greencastle.
In Moville there is a John (Jack) Morrison buried, who died in 2004.
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Hi Liam :) Thank you! that will give me some work, I have a link with John and Eliz Jane Smith of Greencastle. I also think I have a link with James & Marianne, I have it as (Mari Anne) the others I'll have to work on. Do you know if Gulladoo and Gulladuff are the same town land? Thank you again for the info. All the best Bruce
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You're welcome!
I think Gulladoo and Gulladuff are the same place not far from Moville centre; Google maps has it marked as Gulladuff and seemingly the same place on the Ordinance Survey map is marked as Gulladoo.
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I think Gulladuff may be a particular area of Gulladoo.
Under Townlands on the OSI mapviewer Gulladoo is listed, but not Gulladuff, however under Locality Gulladuff is listed and brings you to a spot in Gulladoo Lower, although Gulladuff isn't written on the map. Google maps has Gulladuff marked in approx the same place
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,660361,939491,10,7
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Hi Sinann and Liam59 thank you both. I have come to the same conclusion. Thanks. All the best Bruce
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Hi
My ×3 grandmother was a Sarah (sally) Morrison from Greencastle born approx. 1815. I dont have information on her parents. Just thought you might want to add her to your database of Morrisons in the area . She married a James Baird in 1835
Regards
Joe
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Hi joemc :) Thank you. I have a possible mother for John -Ellen- family search. I am thinking that the Morrison around 1800 came over to Moville area from Scotland Greenock, Inverkip and Glasgow area. they seemed to return to these area in Scotland and Canada. How to prove it?
Thank you for the info and I wish you and yours a Happy Christmas. all the best Bruce.
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Hi Bruce,
I would be cautious about assuming that your Morrisons came to the Moville area around 1800 from Scotland, the lack of Eighteenth century records makes proving if they where living in the Moville area in that time period hard to prove. I know that through the Nineteenth century there were many from the Moville area that settled in Glasgow and surrounding districts, there seems to have been a steady stream both ways going back to the early decades of 1800's and possibly earlier.
In a 'The History of the little Town of Moville', by Bishop Montgomery, written, I think in the early 1900's he speaks of his Great Grandfathers Samuel Montgomery's estate at Moville that he came into in 1768, among the nine tenant families he names Morrison, so there were Morrisons in the area in the 1760's, there are also Morrisons recorded in nearby Culdaff in the 1740, Protestant census.
Regards
Joe
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Hi Joe Hope you had a hearty Christmas :) Frustrated yes I am. clutching at straws guilty!!!! My Gt- grandfather Robert Morrison 1848/9 from Moville had 13 children my mother, married in Scotland one off the 13, James T.A.Morrison. now I have a paper trail for all but one of the 13 children, up to 2000. I also a unknown gt grand child or grandchild of Robert due to DNA and the war!
I have read The History of Moville and noted the families referred to also the letter to the UK government asking for troops.
I feel this brick wall is one where the destruction of documents in Ireland will not brake down. Protestant census? I don't remember seeing this, any details please.
Thank you for your help and may I wish you and yours a happy 2018. all the best Bruce.
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Yeah I understand the frustration, sometimes you can get lucky and something turns up, I managed to get back into the 1700's on my McCorkell line by finding information in the Moville Upper Vestry minute book, available at PRONI, it dates back to 1773. I have a copy of an unpublished Cess list from Upper Moville from 1792 that I will check for the name Morrison. (I don't have access to the list at this time, but will check later)
The 1740 census is available at PRONI online
https://apps.proni.gov.uk/ProniNames_IE/SearchPage.aspx
Joe
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Thank you Joe, talk later. Bruce
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Hi Bruce,
Checked the Tithe record from 1792, there was a John Morrison living in the townland of Carrickmcquigley Upper Moville, farming 9.5 acres
Joe
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hi Joe. Thank you. I think you may have come across The Ulster Covenant, also known as Ulster's Solemn League and Covenant, was signed by just under half a million men and women from Ulster, on and before 28 September 1912, in protest against the Third Home Rule Bill, introduced by the British Government in that same year.
lived at 1870 154 Moville. these are Morrison's no details.
The Ulster Covenant
Daniel.............Moville.
Isaac...............Greencastle.
James..............Greencastle.
James..............Greencastle.
John.................Greencastle.
Joseph..............Greencastle.
Margaret............Greencastle.
Robert...............Greencastle.
Robert...............Greencastle.
I have come across "Baird and Clark" married to Morrison, not Sarah abt1815
all the best Bruce.
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Hi there!
This is my first post here
My third great grandfather was John Morrison, from County Donegal. He got married in 1846 in Lower Moville with Mary Ann Campbell and as far as I know had three children
1) James (born in 1856 at Greencastle)
2) Thomas (born about 1857-58 supposedly at the same place)
3) Abraham (born in 1867 at Carrowhugh)
My second great grandfather was Thomas Morrison and emigrated to Argentina in the 1870's never to return. I am trying to find overall information about the family in general, and to check if any other members remained in Ireland. I believe they were of the Church of Ireland faith because in Argentina had their children baptised on Anglican churches. He declared being a farmer and his son James named his estate in Richmond, London, "Carrichue" after the family farm located between Moville and Greencastle (I think).
I am sorry not being able to provide any additional data, but I have very little information about him or his family.
Thanks in advance!
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Hi Kokomo,
Not sure if the Morrisons of Greencastle are connected to yours in Moville but there were quite a few Morrisons in Greencastle:
James and Marianne Morrison, who had two sons William Hugh (died 1875) and James (died 1876) both in infancy and a daughter Charlotte Ellen who died in 1884. Also Marianne Morrison died 1903 and James Morrison died 1951.
William and Sarah Morrison (died 1897 and 1921 respectively). William’s brother Robert died in 1923.
There was a James and Margaret Morrison (died 1965 and 1966 respectively), who lived in Greencastle and their sons were:
James Morrison died 27th February 1983 Greencastle
William Morrison died 18th May 1991
Robert Morrison died 20th July 1993
Their daughters were Margaret Ada died 1946 and Marion died 1976
Also John and Elizabeth Jane Morrison of Carrichue have a memorial in Greencastle.
In Moville there is a John (Jack) Morrison buried, who died in 2004.
The Morrisons mentioned above in Greencastle are in St. Finian's Church of Ireland graveyard.
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James and Marianne Morrison, who had two sons William Hugh (died 1875) and James (died 1876) both in infancy....
James died 1876 at Ballymacarter [sic]
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1876/020586/7222874.pdf
William Hugh died 1875 at Ballymacarter [sic]
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1875/020605/7229691.pdf
Ballymacarthur townland
https://www.townlands.ie/donegal/inishowen-east/moville-lower/greencastle/ballymacarthur/
James Morrison married Mary Ann Simpson on 27 February 1872 at St Columb's Parish Church, Moville. Their fathers were John Morrison, a farmer and Alexander Simpson, a shopkeeper.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1872/11296/8143876.pdf
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Hi Kokomo, Your John Morrison and Mary Campbell were married in Lower Moville on the 11 Aug 1846
I have other documents on this family, but it will take a little while to dig them out as they're not part of my DNA family. I will get back to you. All the best, Bruce.
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Also Marianne Morrison died 1903 and James Morrison died 1951.
Surely James Morrison died in 1931?
His son James was the informant. He died at Drumaweer.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1931/04904/4329565.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/donegal/inishowen-east/moville-lower/moville/drumaweer/
1901 census
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Moville/Drumaweir/1185819/
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Hi Kokomo, The marriage was in Mobile lower. John's father was John Morrison. Mary Campbell. father was George Campbell. Their wives were not recorded. James joined up in 1914.
I have a write-up on James, I can't say who is by; it is a relative. Some of the points made.
he was known as "Pat" Born on the frame "Carrichue" came to the UK 1874 after serving in the Royal Navy, he was serving in the Royal Artillery. In 1983 he joined the Metropolitan Police. In 1905 he retired. 1915 He was injured. by a horse, an invalided home. In 1921 he was elected as Richmond Town Mayor. He lost his seat in 1936. Also says on here that he won the open mile at Crystal Palace for two years in succession.
His army record. shows that he married in Richmond. in 28/2/1892. Annie Fox. there was a spinster.
It also shows he had a daughter a Doris. Patricia. Fox, born 15/4/1902
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....and a daughter Charlotte Ellen who died in 1884.
Another mistake.
Charlotte Ellen Morrison died 16 January 1894 at Greencastle. Her father James was the informant. Her cause of death (aged 18 yrs) was Phthisis Pulmonalis - 12 months.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1894/05977/4699208.pdf
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Hi, and thanks to all for your valuable input. Very much appreciated
Let me tell you what I have found on the past days since my previous message
a) I contacted National Archives of Ireland by email. They responded within 48hs and they response was something like "Morrison is not an Irish surname, most likely they were Scottish transplanted. Therefore they must have not been Catholic. 50% Church of Ireland records, the Irish version of Anglicanism, were destroyed in a huge fire in Belfast in 1922 and the parish of Lower Moville was affected, hard luck. However, we did manage to find an Abraham Morrison, child of John & Mary Ann".
b) I did my research on Abraham and got his death certificate from the GRO. He was an artilleryman at Woolwich Arsenal and died in 1905. A brother James is mentioned on his death certificate.
c) I searched on Geni, Family Search and Ancestry and came upon the package of information Bruce was kindly sharing.
So, where am I know?
John Morrison and Mary Ann Campbell were indeed married on 11 Aug 1846. I have found so far (on various sources) this issue (do you still call issue their children? my great grandpa used to employ that word):
John Morrison Jr (1850-1923)
George Morrison (1854-1915)
James Morrison (1856-1940)
THOMAS MORRISON (ca 1857/8- ca 1911)
Archibald Morrison (1859-1934)
Robert Alexander Morrison (1860-1924)
Abraham Morrison (1867-1905)
From all of them I have been able to find some piece of information, except from my direct ancestor Thomas, perhaps explained to that fire and him leaving quite young to Argentina. From family records he married in 1883 (at age 25 or so) and he stated as place of birth County Donegal only. Why did he leave is a mystery
John Morrison Sr 1817-1897 (son of John Morrison born in Scotland and Jane Tyler born in Inishowen, married around 1811)
Mary Ann Campbell ca. 1822-1896 (daughter of George Campbell and NN)
I am a bit lost with something. Within a county, for instance Donegal,are there any subdivisions? Because I see Lower Moville parish and Inishowen used indistinctively, is that correct? Then I see Greencastle and Carrickhue, these would be something like village and name of the house? I am lost.
Once again thanks for the feedback, cheers
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Have a look at these two links they should help you understand a bit better.
The fire
https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/irish-records-burned.html
Irish Land divisions
https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Irish-land-divisions.html
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50% Church of Ireland records, the Irish version of Anglicanism, were destroyed in a huge fire in Belfast in 1922....
Thousands of Church of Ireland baptism, marriage and burial registers were lost during the Irish Civil War on 30 June 1922 in Dublin when, after a two-day bombardment, an explosion and fire ravaged the Public Records Office in the Four Courts.
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Thank you. Then, I believe Thomas Morrison was from the province of Ulster, county of Donegal, barony of Inishowen East, parish of Moville Lower, electoral division of Greencastle, townland of Carrowhugh.
I quote the message received from the National Archives
"Civil Registration in Ireland commenced in 1864 and 1845 for all non-Catholic marriages. However in the early stages of registration many births went unregistered. If the person was born prior to or shortly after 1864, this means there is a possibility his birth was not registered with the civil authorities. For events prior to 1864 and when a birth cannot be found we rely on baptismal records. However not all baptismal records survive prior to 1864. Just over 50% of Church of Ireland records that were held in the Public Records Office in 1922 were destroyed in a fire that broke our during the civil war.
I note from the civil birth record of Abraham Morrison, the family address was recorded as Carrowhugh. Carrowhugh is a townland located within the civil parish of Moville Lower. You can search the civil birth index freely on the Irish Government website at www.irishgenealogy.ie .
The civil parish of Moville Lower corresponds to the Church of Ireland parish of Moville Lower. Unfortunately, the parish registers from 182x -1877 for the Church of Ireland parish of Moville Lower were held at by the Public Records Office in 1922 and subsequently destroyed. This means IF the person was baptised at this parish then his baptismal record does not survive.
I would also suggest you trace the occupancy of the Morrison landholding at Carrowhugh forward using the Valuation Office Revision Books. These are the updates manuscripts of Griffiths Valuation that record any changes in the ownership occupancy, size and value of a property forward from the 1850’s forward right up to the 1970’s. These records are not available online .To access these records you will need to visits the Valuation Office in person at Lower Abbey Street in Dublin."
Therefore I must assume that Thomas Morrison's records have most likely been lost unfortunately