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Morning!
I have an 1851 census which says ancestor born in Montreal.
All her family who were poor lived in Islington. All other censuses for this person says born in Islington.
Does anyone know if the word Montreal stands for something else?
Many thanks
Val
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I have an 1851 census which says ancestor born in Montreal.
Is the source for this a transcription or the original page?
Can you point us to the actual page, please?
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Can you give us a name for this person please
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Related thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=775135.msg6286041#msg6286041
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Thanks Jen - I posted on that one ;D
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Sorry guys. Rosie and Jen you are right, I did post this question before and had forgotten. Still a mystery though as I've not found them anywhere on passenger lists.
Val
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So, are you speaking of Fanny Holton?
The 1851 clearly says Montreal Canada, and the 1841 has an entry in the 'whether born in Scotland, Ireland or in Foreign parts' column.
Given that she was born before the introduction of birth certificates, what definite evidence do you have that she was born in England?
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Sorry guys. Rosie and Jen you are right, I did post this question before and had forgotten. Still a mystery though as I've not found them anywhere on passenger lists.
Val
What passenger lists?
There are none surviving, in the UK, before 1890.
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Ah OK. Is there any other way of finding out about travel around 1832-1837 do you know?
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Try www.immigrantships.net
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My thoughts....
1841 census has a fancy F and tiny n in the righthand column which should mean foreighn parts and
Fanny is recorded as b. Montreal in 1851. Her parents would presumably have given this info to the enumerators and not her personally and one would assume they should know. If noone told her she was born in Canada or she didn't tell her hubby who presumably gave later census info and assumed a local birth, etc., she was thus recorded as b. England. Also, if she was b. in Canada, Fanny would not have remembered ever being there, having come to England at such a young age.
The only record of a birth in Montreal in that time frame would be a baptism and if she was baptized at age 2 it doesn't look like she would have been baptized in Canada. I don't see a Quebec record at the moment.
Anyway, food for thought. Interesting puzzle.
PB
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1841 census has a fancy F and tiny n in the righthand column which should mean foreighn parts and
Fanny is recorded as b. Montreal in 1851. Her parents would presumably have given this info to the enumerators and not her personally and one would assume they should know. If noone told her she was born in Canada or she didn't tell her hubby who presumably gave later census info and assumed a local birth, etc., she was thus recorded as b. England. Also, if she was b. in Canada, Fanny would not have remembered ever being there, having come to England at such a young age.
I agree entirely with your thoughts :)
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Just a thought - could her Father have been in the Army? Muster rolls for the army in Canada survive.
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Just a thought - could her Father have been in the Army? Muster rolls for the army in Canada survive.
Other post suggests his occupations were salesman/oilman/potato dealer :-\
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Hi Big Ted. Sadly no, but thanks for the thought.
Val
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Not sure about this - but is there somewhere in England/Wales called Montreal? I only suggest this as one of my family members is reportedly born in Egypt in one of the census returns. The enumerator has queried the entry BUT she was born in Egypt - a hamlet in Yorkshire 8)
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There's a Quebec in Co Durham. ;)
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Not sure about this - but is there somewhere in England/Wales called Montreal? I only suggest this as one of my family members is reportedly born in Egypt in one of the census returns. The enumerator has queried the entry BUT she was born in Egypt - a hamlet in Yorkshire 8)
Montreal is named after Mount Royal in Canada.
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There's a Quebec in Co Durham. ;)
Normally it is the names of towns and villages in the UK that are given to foreign town and villages. But Quebec in County Durham was named after the Canadian Quebec after it was captured by the British from the French.
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I have a relative who was born In Quebec bacuase her parents who were Scottish were on a ship. She only stayed in Canada for a few months so was baptised in Scotland. Her father was a sailor, so slightly different. Her nationality is British, might be something similar for your relative. Just simpler in the long run not to get into a complicated story when it was easier to just say born in England.
Lynda
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My late dad's boss was born in Canada. The three kids were aged 20, 16 and 14 in 1911, so they didn't stay long.