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Hi,
I wanted to know if you could help me with John Medlock.
There are two baptisms for the same John Medlock in the same area, Tempsford, Bedfordshire.
John #1 was baptized 28 October 1798-parents William Medlock and Elizabeth.
John #2 was baptized 29 November 1798-parents Nathaniel Medlock and Elizabeth.
The John Medlock that is in my family tree married Mary Aveling on 3 July 1820 in Stanground, Huntingdonshire. This marriage record does not show John's parents.
I am trying to figure out who are John Medlock's parents.
Any help would be appreciated. If you require more information, please let me know.
Thank you
Janetmb52
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The first thing I would look at are the names he gave his children in case he named one of his sons after his father.
Emeltom
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Hi,
Thank you for your reply.
The John I have in my tree named two of his sons John and William. His first son was named John.
The other John who I am questioning whose father is listed as Nathaniel Medlock married Sarah Griggs. This John never named any of his sons after his father, that I can find but he did name one of his sons John.
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Oh well, it was just a thought.
Emeltom
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Who were the witnesses to the Stanground marriage? And the same for the other John Medlock who married Sarah Griggs in Tempsford in 1825.
Your John seems by his census ages to have been born 1795-7, whereas the other John was younger, born c 1800 (which if correct would rule out him being baptised in 1798!). Have you checked the baptism entries to see if there's any further detail, such as ages?
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Thank you for your response.
I did find witnesses for John Medlock and Mary Aveling.
Church name St John the Baptist
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 45
Marriage date 03 Jul 1820
Groom forename John
Groom surname MEADLOCK
Groom parish Of this parish
Bride forename Mary
Bride surname AVELING
Bride condition spinster
Bride parish Of this parish
Witness Robt THORN*
Witness Joseph EYRE
I cannot find any for John Medlock and Sarah Griggs.
In regards to baptism records, there isn't a lot of information except date, place and parents.
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Pity!
My 3xg grandmother was Elizabeth Medlock from Edworth Beds hence my interest in the name . I now find I have Nathaniel Medlock in my tree, 3rd cousin 5 times removed, together with his son John. I didn't realise I had a connection to the Tempsford family. But I show John as marrying Sarah Smith in Sutton Beds on 11 Jun 1821. I haven't checked the entry to see if John's parish of residence was Tempsford but in 1851 Sarah's birthplace was Sutton. But Sarah Griggs was also baptised in Sutton in 1806, so I wonder if Sarah Smith died. Perhaps John was a widower when he married Sarah Griggs.
But none of this helps us in splitting the two Johns baptised a month apart in 1798.
Still working on it.
David
If your John was born 1795/7 then I don't think he would have been the son of Nathaniel who didn't marry until Dec 1797. But this is more of a gut feeling, and isn't proof!
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Hi David,
Thank you for taking an interest in my questions.
I agree with you that John Medlock's father is not Nathaniel in my family tree.
I show both John Medlocks ended up in Huntingdonshire and died in Huntingdonshire.
John Medlock and Mary Aveling in Stanground and John and Sarah Griggs in Brampton.
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There's a marriage in Tempsford on 22 Jan 1798 between William Medlock of Papworth St Agnes, Cambs, and Elizabeth Key, who look favourites to have been the parents of John baptised in Tempsford on 28 Oct 1798. Tempsford PR transcript up to 1812 is at https://ia801301.us.archive.org/7/items/bedfordshirepari19bedf/bedfordshirepari19bedf.pdf.
But I can't work out, yet, who this William might have been, or what happened to him. Perhaps he moved to Hunts.
David
Just found your tree on Ancestry to which I've added a couple of comments. I see that you've established that the family moved to Stanground at some time between John's 1798 baptism in Tempsford and the baptism of the next child in Stanground in 1801. William wasn't the one born 1780 in Tempsford, who married Elizabeth Bird in Tempsford in 1805 and who was buried age 41 in Tempsford in 1821. So I know who your William wasn't but I don't know who he was!
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I reckon that William died in Stanground and is one or other of the Williams buried there on either 12 Aug 1805 or, more likely, on 5 Aug 1810. His widow Elizabeth baptised an illegitimate son William on 25 Apr 1815 and then married William Andrews on 7 Apr 1817, widow and widower.
Still don't know where William was from though
David
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Wow...great information David!!!
I did go into my Ancestry site and made the changes about William's death. I also noticed your comments...Thank you
I did find three children with the same spelling Meadlock which was stated on John and Mary's marriage record born in Stanground.
Baptism (LDS)
6 Mar 1801 • Stanground, Huntingdonshire, England
Church name St John the Baptist Register type Parish Register Baptism date 06 Mar 1801 Person forename William Person sex M Father forename William Father surname MEADLOCK Mother forename Elizabeth
Death
Aug 1805 • Stanground, Huntingdonshire, England
Aug 1805 • Stanground, Huntingdonshire, England Church name: St John the Baptist Register type: Parish Register Burial date: 12 Aug 1805 Burial person forename: William Burial person surname: Meadlock
Baptism (LDS)
16 Feb 1806 • Stanground, Huntingdonshire, England
Church name St John the Baptist Register type Parish Register Baptism date 16 Feb 1806 Person forename Mary Person sex F Father forename William Father surname MEADLOCK Mother forename Elizabeth
Elizabeth Medlock
1804–
BIRTH 1804 • Stanground, Huntingdonshire, England
I am not sure if these children belong to William and Elizabeth.
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On reflection I wonder if the two William burials in Stanground in 1805 and 1810 are the other way round, in the absence of any detail in the PR. Perhaps it was the father who died in Aug 1805 with his wife pregnant with Mary baptised Feb 1806, and it was the son William who died in Aug 1810. It would explain why there were no more children between 1806 and 1810
All speculation!
David
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Cambridge Archives Calm catalogue has the following entry:
KHP80 - Stanground St. John the Baptist Parish Church
15 - Overseers: bastardy
1 - Bastardy examinations and affiliation orders
Reference Number HP80/15/1/2
CalmRefNo KHP80/15/1/2
Creator_Name Stanground St Johns Parish Church
Title Examination of Elizabeth Medlock, widow, naming John Jackson of Orton Waterville as the father of her son.
Date 23 Jan 1816
Repository Huntingdonshire Archives
David
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Hi David,
Would this be the illegitimate birth of William Medlock born abt 1815?
I have Jackson's in my family tree too...lol
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David, I also found this record.
Could this be the William born in 1815 and William Andrew adopted him as his own?
Church name St John the BaptistBaptism date 13 Oct 1817 Person forename William Person sex M Person abode Stanground Father forename William Father surname ANDREWS Mother forename Elizabeth Privately baptised. Public baptism 05 Jul 1818
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I'm pretty sure the bastardy case related to William Medlock born 1815.
I'm not so sure though that he is William Andrew who was baptised in 1817. In fact I doubt that he was.They went on to have a couple of daughters
David
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Hi David,
I went through the parish records from that link you sent in a previous message. I am still looking for William Medlock. Could he be the one who was baptized in 1780 in Tempsford?
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I'm confident that he wasn't. See my reply #9 in this thread. I think the William born 1780 was a baker in Tempsford, where he died in 1821 aged 41, which fits perfectly.
I've been looking at John son of Nathaniel and I'm now sure that you were right when you said he married Sarah Griggs, as their children born after 1837 have mother's maiden name Griggs in the GRO index. I think the one who married Sarah Smith in Sutton in 1821 was baptised in Wrestlingworth, only 4 miles from Sutton, on 15 July 1798
David
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Hi David,
Thank you for your reply.
I have noticed a lot of people had Sarah Smith of Sutton marrying John Medlock in their family trees.
I was able to follow Sarah Medlock (Griggs) in the census with her children after John Medlock died.
I was wondering if William Medlock was born in Huntingdonshire? It is finding that link with William's parents. I am still searching for something...lol.
Good luck with your searches as well. :)
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I found this record.
County Bedfordshire
Place Biggleswade
Church name St Andrew
Register type Transcript
Baptism date 28 Jun 1772
Person forename Wm
Person sex M
Father forename Wm
Father surname MEDLOCK
Father occupation Labr
Mother forename Mary
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I'd seen that one and was quite hopeful but after I'd checked it out I discounted him. He married Marcy Medley in Biggleswade but then they moved to Kings Lynn where Marcy died and William at the age of 51 remarried to a 17 year old.