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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Kent => Topic started by: ronsaghey on Tuesday 17 October 17 03:35 BST (UK)
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I'm helping a gentleman in California with the surname Shilling trace his paternal tree and I'm looking for advice on a Shilling marriage in 1747. I've come across a Shilling family tree on a website called Our Family Tree: https://www.ourfamtree.org/index.php?loggedout In the tree, there is a marriage between Thomas Shilling and Elizabeth Rowe in 1747 in Bethersden. However, when I checked the Bethersden Bishop's Transcripts for the period of 1746-49, I couldn't find the marriage. These are the marriages that I found:
Bethersden Marriages – Bishop’s Transcripts Lady Day to Lady Day (March 25)
1746-1747
Dec 29 1746 John Gold of Ashford and Mary Kemp of this parish by Banns
Jan 29 1747 John Bissenden and Eleanor Marsh both of the parish of Kingsnorth by license
Feb 18 1747 Francis Whitfield and Sarah Wilmott both of this parish by license
1747-1748
April 23 1747 Robert Gladdish of Biddenden and Ann Andrews of this parish
Oct 1 1747 Thomas Else and Sarah Harris both of this parish
Oct 2 1747 William Mepham of the parish of Little Chart and Ann Hopper of this parish
Oct 27 1747 William Brown of the parish of High Halden and Elizabeth Stephenson of this parish
Dec 26 1747 John Bates of the parish of Ulcombe and Mary George of this parish
1748-1749
Sept 30 1748 Edward Brown and Elizabeth Jacob
Nov 10 1748 John Brunger and Martha Brown
Jan 1 1749 James Davis and Sarah Weston
Jan 22 1749 Thomas Russel and Sarah Horton
I've checked Ancestry, Family Search, Find My Past and Free Reg for a marriage between Thomas Shilling and Elizabeth Rowe from 1740 to 1750 and came up empty. I did, however, find a marriage between Thomas Shilling and Elizabeth LEWIS in Warehorne on April 11, 1748.
Should I just disregard the Shilling/Rowe marriage? This was the period before the Hardwicke Marriage Act of 1754.
Thanks.
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Don't know if you will find this helpful with your quest.
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=143547373
http://soane.net/individual.php?pid=I7885&ged=basic.ged
Regards Roger.
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It looks like the wrong information has been carried over to other sites. This is similar to Ancestry where errors get perpetuated. This is the point of verifying information.
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ronsaghey,
Here are my thoughts:
1) Have you checked baptismal registers for any children this couple might have had?
2) Is there a way of contacting the person who posted that information?
Regards,
Josephine
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There is a tree on FamilySearch KFNX-FNY which had Thomas married to Elizabeth Lewis LZNH-7BL but as with ancestry view with caution.
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I've checked Cranbrook parish registers. The Archdeacon's Transcripts show a baptism on September 11, 1725, for Elizabeth, daughter of Nathaniel and Susanna Row. The Archdeacon's Transcripts also show a burial for an Elizabeth Row on February 10, 1727/28. There are no further baptisms for an Elizabeth Row after 1725 or burials after 1727/28.
It's hard to tell who originally posted the Shilling/Rowe marriage. As with Ancestry, so many things get blindly copied based on Ancestry trees which are notoriously unreliable.
Warehorne Bishop's Transcripts show the following marriage:
Thomas Shilling & Elizabeth Lewis were married April 11, 1748, after Banns canonically published.
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Sorry to have been unclear, ronsaghey. I meant baptisms for possible children of Thomas Shilling and Elizabeth Rowe starting in 1747. Sometimes a marriage might be missing (or not yet found) but we can still find baptisms for subsequent children.
The person who originally posted the info might have assumed a marriage date and place based on when and where the couple started having children baptized. It's a possibility, anyway.
Regards,
Josephine
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Thomas and Elizabeth had the following children:
John baptised Feb 19, 1748/49
Mary baptised Oct 14, 1750
Thomas baptised Mar 21, 1752/53
Richard baptised July 13, 1755
Robert baptised Nov 13, 1757
Elizabeth baptised Sept 6, 1761
Abraham baptised June 10, 1764
Abraham is a Shilling family first name which got passed down from four generations earlier.
John had four children: Elizabeth, Sarah, John, James and Elizabeth
Thomas had no children
Richard had 14 children: Thomas, Richard, John, Richard, William, Abraham, James, George, Charles, Mary, Charlotte, Sarah, Edward and Elizabeth.
Robert had 11 children: Elizabeth, Daniel, Robert, Thomas, Isaac, Eliza, Amy, Winch, William, Richard and Sarah.
Abraham had one child so far that I've been able to confirm: Ann Bailey Shilling, with Ann's mother's maiden name being Ann Bailey.
Elizabeth Lewis' parents were Thomas Lewis and Tabitha Bigg. Her paternal grandparents were William Lewis and Rachel Unknown. Her maternal grandparents were George Bigg and Mary Unknown.