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Title: Help re William Robinson and daughter Mary Ann in Cambridge
Post by: Enrybm on Saturday 14 October 17 10:33 BST (UK)
I am trying to trace my GGG grandfather and hit a dead end. What I know...
My GG grandfather was born in 1822 to GGG Grand father  William Robinson and Sarah White. They both then dissapear off the records.
However I've just found a William a widower with father named William also marrying a Mary Ann Sheldrick in 1837. The have daughter Mary Ann in 1838' then William dies and his wife remarries a Henry Littlechild. Mary Ann 1838 with family until 1851 then????
The thing that caught my eye was the name Sheldrick as William and 1st wife had daughter Edith who married a Robert Sheldrick (I haven't been able to link the two Sheldrick's as yet)
My unanswered questions are:-
* When was GGG grandfather William born
* Who were his parents (other than William named) in 2nd marriage
* What happened to Mary Ann after 1851

Martin
Title: Re: Help re William Robinson and daughter Mary Ann in Cambridge
Post by: PaulineJ on Saturday 14 October 17 11:09 BST (UK)
just to put it in order.

birth of (no name) in 1822 to William Robinson and Sarah White

marriage of william (nosurname) to Mary Ann Sheldrick in 1837 (no place/church/ no ages, no witnesses)
child mary ann (surname) b 1838 noplace

death of william (nosurname). no age, no year, no place

marriage of mary ann (surname nee sheldrick) to Henry Littlechild no year, no place no witnesses

1841 census not given https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQRZ-YZT (Sawston, cambs?)

1851 census not given https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG1W-415 ?

1861 not given
Title: Re: Help re William Robinson and daughter Mary Ann in Cambridge
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 14 October 17 11:19 BST (UK)
Looks like the 1837 William Robinson /Mary Ann Sheldrick marriage took place in Little Shelford  :)
Dec qtr - Chesterton RD

Williams father is named as William Robinson (familysearch)
Title: Re: Help re William Robinson and daughter Mary Ann in Cambridge
Post by: Enrybm on Saturday 14 October 17 14:25 BST (UK)
just to put it in order.

birth of William Robinson in 1822 to William Robinson and Sarah White

marriage of william robinson (see parents above) to Mary Ann Sheldrick in 1837 (no place/church/ no ages, no witnesses)
child mary ann Robinson b 1838 chesterton, cambs.

death of william Robinson (see parents). no age (pass when born) , no year (unsure but tween 1838&1840) no place (Chesterton)

marriage of mary ann (surname nee sheldrick) to Henry Littlechild no year, no place no witnesses

1841 census not given https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQRZ-YZT (Sawston, cambs?) Correct

1851 census not given https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG1W-415 ? Correct

1861 not given. Pass

Pauline
Filled in the blanks above as best known

Martin
Title: Re: Help re William Robinson and daughter Mary Ann in Cambridge
Post by: Enrybm on Saturday 14 October 17 14:25 BST (UK)
Looks like the 1837 William Robinson /Mary Ann Sheldrick marriage took place in Little Shelford  :)
Dec qtr - Chesterton RD

Williams father is named as William Robinson (familysearch)

Correct
Martin
Title: Re: Help re William Robinson and daughter Mary Ann in Cambridge
Post by: PaulineJ on Saturday 14 October 17 14:58 BST (UK)
I just find a 1822 birth a bit late for an 1837 marriage, and youve no death record or age at death to corroborate the 1822 birth year.
Title: Re: Help re William Robinson and daughter Mary Ann in Cambridge
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 14 October 17 16:00 BST (UK)
Looks like I have been here before  ;D
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=733222.
Title: Re: Help re William Robinson and daughter Mary Ann in Cambridge
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 14 October 17 16:15 BST (UK)
The Henry Littlechild marriage took place at Sawston 12 Nov 1840 (freereg)

Two possible deaths for William Robinson Chesterton RD before that marriage
ROBINSON, WILLIAM age 68     1839  Sept Quarter /CHESTERTON UNION  Volume 14  Page 27   

ROBINSON, WILLIAM    age 34     1840  March Quarter /CHESTERTON UNION  Volume 14  Page 35
Title: Re: Help re William Robinson and daughter Mary Ann in Cambridge
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 14 October 17 16:25 BST (UK)
There is a newspaper article Cambridge Chronicle and Journal 28 March 1840 about the estate of William Robinson the elder of Great Shelford which mentions a David Robinson so that is probably the one age 68.

Are you sure that the 1822 marriage to Sarah White wasn't the same William who married Mary Ann Sheldrick  :-\
Title: Re: Help re William Robinson and daughter Mary Ann in Cambridge
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 14 October 17 16:29 BST (UK)
This 1807 Great Shelford baptism is a possibility for the 1840 death
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NKQM-CYR
Title: Re: Help re William Robinson and daughter Mary Ann in Cambridge
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 14 October 17 16:31 BST (UK)
William & Mary also had a son David which would tie in with William senior newspaper report
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NKQM-CWL
Title: Re: Help re William Robinson and daughter Mary Ann in Cambridge
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 14 October 17 16:46 BST (UK)
Probable marriage of William the elder to Mary
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJKT-QQV
Title: Re: Help re William Robinson and daughter Mary Ann in Cambridge
Post by: Enrybm on Sunday 15 October 17 10:13 BST (UK)
I just find a 1822 birth a bit late for an 1837 marriage, and youve no death record or age at death to corroborate the 1822 birth year.
Pauline
You misread. The 1822 birth is son (also William) from Williams 1st marriage to Sarah White. 1837 is when he marries again to Mary Ann Sheldrick.

Forget the 1822 Wiliam (he dies early 1850s)

Martin
Title: Re: Help re William Robinson and daughter Mary Ann in Cambridge
Post by: Enrybm on Sunday 15 October 17 10:16 BST (UK)
Probable marriage of William the elder to Mary
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJKT-QQV
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Possible but in another tree with William born 1807 ( I think from memory) which doesn't stack with marriage 1820 to Sarah white

William in 1837 2nd marriage was a widower.  The 1820 and 1837 married Williams I believe are the same but not 100% proven
Title: Re: Help re William Robinson and daughter Mary Ann in Cambridge
Post by: Enrybm on Sunday 15 October 17 10:21 BST (UK)
Looks like I have been here before  ;D
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=733222.

Rosie. Yes. Thought the name was familiar. Re visiting having found the 1837 2nd William marriage saying Widower (info from another tree who research the marriage) and having sound deaths for Sarah Robinson beforehand

Trying to find the missing link
Title: Re: Help re William Robinson and daughter Mary Ann in Cambridge
Post by: PaulineJ on Sunday 15 October 17 10:23 BST (UK)
At reply number 3 you contradict yourself regarding william b 1822 and marrying 1837

Why don't you look at the original parish copies of marriages to compare signatures on the 1820 and 1837 events?

Title: Re: Help re William Robinson and daughter Mary Ann in Cambridge
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 15 October 17 10:38 BST (UK)
Just trying to sort this in my head - If William bn c1822 is your gt gt g'father who is your gt g parent that descends from him.  :-\

Is this it from your other post
Son William 1822-1851 married Harriet Pett  (Sept qtr 1847)
Daughter Edith 1826 married Robert Sheldrick (Sept qtr 1854)

William Robinson / Robenson before marriage a mystery
Title: Re: Help re William Robinson and daughter Mary Ann in Cambridge
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 15 October 17 11:06 BST (UK)
Baptisms at Great Eversden parents William & Sarah
William 9 June 1822
Edith 19 Nov 1826

Marriage of parents as previously stated
12 December 1820 to Sarah White.

William married Harriet Pett in 1847
First children of William & Harriet
ROBINSON, SUSAN  SARAH     mmn PETT     1849  Dec Quarter Cambridge RD
ROBINSON, JOHN  WILLIAM        mmn PETT     1851  March Quarter CAMBRIDGE RD
Title: Re: Help re William Robinson and daughter Mary Ann in Cambridge
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 15 October 17 11:20 BST (UK)
1851 - HO107
H0107/1760 f713 p28
Harriet Eliz Robinson 25 Widow
Sarah Ann Petts 15 sister
Susan Sarah Robinson 1
John Pets Robinson 3 weeks

Possible death of father William
ROBINSON, WILLIAM       age 27     1851  March Quarter in CAMBRIDGE  Volume 14  Page 9

As you do not have William on census with place of birth how do you know that you have the correct one ie born 1822 Eversdon.  Do you have the marriage between William & Harriet, what details does it give for him and his father
Title: Re: Help re William Robinson and daughter Mary Ann in Cambridge
Post by: Enrybm on Sunday 15 October 17 12:36 BST (UK)
At reply number 3 you contradict yourself regarding william b 1822 and marrying 1837

Why don't you look at the original parish copies of marriages to compare signatures on the 1820 and 1837 events?
Pauline, you are right. I've crossed over both Williams..
Let's see timeline wise..
William elder marries 1st wife Sarah 1820
Son William born 1822
Daughter Edith 1826
William elder remarries 1837 to Mary Ann Sheldrick
Daughter Mary Ann born 1838
William elder dies between 1837 marriage and wife remarrying Henry Littlechild 1840

Factor in I need to prove the William who marries Sarah is the same one who marries Mary Ann. It stacks up but proving where I am at moment

Signatures an idea but travelling to see an issue at moment.
Title: Re: Help re William Robinson and daughter Mary Ann in Cambridge
Post by: Enrybm on Sunday 15 October 17 12:53 BST (UK)
Just trying to sort this in my head - If William bn c1822 is your gt gt g'father who is your gt g parent that descends from him.  :-\

Is this it from your other post
Son William 1822-1851 married Harriet Pett  (Sept qtr 1847)
Daughter Edith 1826 married Robert Sheldrick (Sept qtr 1854)

William Robinson / Robenson before marriage a mystery
Rosie
My gg grandfather is William Thomas born 1847. Son of 1822 William and Harriet Pett.
Title: Re: Help re William Robinson and daughter Mary Ann in Cambridge
Post by: Enrybm on Sunday 15 October 17 12:55 BST (UK)
Baptisms at Great Eversden parents William & Sarah
William 9 June 1822
Edith 19 Nov 1826

Marriage of parents as previously stated
12 December 1820 to Sarah White.

William married Harriet Pett in 1847
First children of William & Harriet
ROBINSON, SUSAN  SARAH     mmn PETT     1849  Dec Quarter Cambridge RD
ROBINSON, JOHN  WILLIAM        mmn PETT     1851  March Quarter CAMBRIDGE RD

All correct except Susan is 2nd child. 1st was gg gf William Thomas
Title: Re: Help re William Robinson and daughter Mary Ann in Cambridge
Post by: Enrybm on Sunday 15 October 17 13:02 BST (UK)
1851 - HO107
H0107/1760 f713 p28
Harriet Eliz Robinson 25 Widow
Sarah Ann Petts 15 sister
Susan Sarah Robinson 1
John Pets Robinson 3 weeks

Possible death of father William
ROBINSON, WILLIAM       age 27     1851  March Quarter in CAMBRIDGE  Volume 14  Page 9

As you do not have William on census with place of birth how do you know that you have the correct one ie born 1822 Eversdon.  Do you have the marriage between William & Harriet, what details does it give for him and his father

I'll go back thru my records but 100% William who marries Harriet is the 1822 birth. Will add that his sister Edith & husband Robert Sheldrick are in 1881 census with Susan Sarah and her husband Albert Brown
Title: Re: Help re William Robinson and daughter Mary Ann in Cambridge
Post by: Enrybm on Sunday 15 October 17 13:03 BST (UK)
There is a newspaper article Cambridge Chronicle and Journal 28 March 1840 about the estate of William Robinson the elder of Great Shelford which mentions a David Robinson so that is probably the one age 68.

Are you sure that the 1822 marriage to Sarah White wasn't the same William who married Mary Ann Sheldrick  :-\

Do you link to the newspaper article?..
Title: Re: Help re William Robinson and daughter Mary Ann in Cambridge
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 15 October 17 16:13 BST (UK)
Thanks for the confirmation, yes Susan is with Robert & Edith in 1881 and William Thomas is with the Petts family in 1851.  ;D    It is starting to make sense now  ;D

William & Edith were both baptised in Great Eversden.

When William marries Harriett Petts what information does it give for his father and who were the witnesses
Title: Re: Help re William Robinson and daughter Mary Ann in Cambridge
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 15 October 17 16:23 BST (UK)
There is a newspaper article Cambridge Chronicle and Journal 28 March 1840 about the estate of William Robinson the elder of Great Shelford which mentions a David Robinson so that is probably the one age 68.

Are you sure that the 1822 marriage to Sarah White wasn't the same William who married Mary Ann Sheldrick  :-\

Do you link to the newspaper article?..

I am not sure that the newspaper article is relevant.  Pauline & I were working off the information you originally gave with a marriage date of 1837 when it should have been 1847.

My GG grandfather was born in 1822 to GGG Grand father  William Robinson and Sarah White.

However I've just found a William a widower with father named William also marrying a Mary Ann Sheldrick in 1837.
Title: Re: Help re William Robinson and daughter Mary Ann in Cambridge
Post by: Enrybm on Sunday 15 October 17 17:11 BST (UK)
There is a newspaper article Cambridge Chronicle and Journal 28 March 1840 about the estate of William Robinson the elder of Great Shelford which mentions a David Robinson so that is probably the one age 68.

Are you sure that the 1822 marriage to Sarah White wasn't the same William who married Mary Ann Sheldrick  :-\

Do you link to the newspaper article?..

I am not sure that the newspaper article is relevant.  Pauline & I were working off the information you originally gave with a marriage date of 1837 when it should have been 1847.

My GG grandfather was born in 1822 to GGG Grand father  William Robinson and Sarah White.

However I've just found a William a widower with father named William also marrying a Mary Ann Sheldrick in 1837.

Rosie
1837 and 1847 marriages are different Williams
1837 is second marriage for William the elder to Mary annSheldrick
1847 is marriage of his son William born 1922
Title: Re: Help re William Robinson and daughter Mary Ann in Cambridge
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 15 October 17 17:17 BST (UK)
Could you please post the details from both of those marriage certificates including witnesses