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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Stirlingshire => Topic started by: Allen Butler on Friday 13 October 17 18:50 BST (UK)
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I have a DNA match and I am trying to connect our Cowie family tree but not being successful.
My match's Cowie is -
David Cowie 1791–1853
Born 1791 • Carnsie, Stirlingshire, Scotland
Death 18 July 1853 • Scotland
Cannot find the parents of David Cowie nor a place named Carnsie - can any help?
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Cannot see a birth for him but the nearest place name I can think of is Campsie.
William
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There is a David Cowie, aged 60, born Campsie, at Garrion Farm, Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire in the 1851 census, with wife Janet, 55, born Slamannan; daughter Margaret, 20, born Falkirk and granddaughter Margaret, 10, born Glasgow and two servants.
Margaret Cowie, daughter of David Cowie and Janet Arthur, was baptised in Falkirk on 22 January 1826.
Is this the David Cowie you are looking for?
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Thank you for the information.
Yes I am sure that is the same David, certainly his wife's details match and also his daughter, but it was unexpected he was born in Cambusneathen, but no luck so far in finding his parents.
Can you help with my side/brickwall -
Peter Cowie b. abt 1730 'of Falkirk' m. 6 Dec 1755 Janet Simpson, abt. 1730 'of Falkirk', (OPR noting the marriage it stated ' son irregular') - son Robert Cowie b. abt. 1756 Falkirk. Interested in find the parents of Peter Cowie if you can help?
If there is a connection between David Cowie and my Cowie line then it must be farther back in time from Peter Cowie.
Thanks
Allen
Aberdeen
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it was unexpected he was born in Cambusneathen
No, he was born in Campsie and living in Cambusnethan.
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So born in Campsie but in 1851 at Garrion Farm, Cambusnethen.
Where is Campsie?
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OK got it
Campsie is a civil parish in East Dunbartonshire, Scotland. The parish was formerly part of Stirlingshire.
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Campsie is a civil parish in East Dunbartonshire, Scotland. The parish was formerly part of Stirlingshire.
Yes, for purposes of 19th century genealogy it's Stirlingshire.
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Possible connection:
William Cowie and Agnes Watson had Alexander (1726), William (1727) and Patrick (1730) all at Falkirk, Stirling. This Patrick (1730) may be your Peter. (Patrick/Peter were used interchangeably.)
Now:
Alexander (1726) and Agnes Jack had Alexander (1757) at Saint Ninians, Stirling.
Alexander (1757) and Margaret Liddell married 1781 at Kilsyth, Stirling.
I can find no births to this couple until Margaret (1795) and Agnes (1798) both at Kilsyth, Stirling.
I’m thinking David (say 1785-91) is an unrecorded birth of this couple because of the naming pattern of David’s own children. His first son and second daughter are Alexander and Margaret and given the regularity of the baptisms there would appear to be no missing children in at least the first four:
Alexander (1819 Glasgow) after David’s father; Mary (1821 Falkirk, Stirling); James (1823); Margaret (1826 Falkirk, Stirling) after David’s mother; David (1832 Falkirk, Stirling).
So, it is possible that your match’s (David 1785-91) possible great (whoops - simply grandfather) grandfather Alexander (1726) is a brother of your Peter/Patrick (1730).
There was more than one Alexander Cowie in Stirling at the time so please carefully test my findings.
The details are all from familysearch.org.
Cheers,
Peter
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Hi Peter, thank you for your thoughts on the problem.
I was unaware of the of the interchangability of Patrick & Peter so that opens up new avenues of research.
I am inclined to agree with your fair approach with limited information, so having no other information I shall adopt your suggestions with caution.
I ran your suggested Cowie connection through my relationship calculator and it resulted in a 6th cousin connection as opposed to a 5th cousin connection via DNA matching, so quite close!
Thanks
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Peter Cowie b. abt 1730 'of Falkirk' m. 6 Dec 1755 Janet Simpson, abt. 1730 'of Falkirk', (OPR noting the marriage it stated ' son irregular') - son Robert Cowie b. abt. 1756 Falkirk. Interested in find the parents of Peter Cowie if you can help?
If you are finding so-called 'records' saying 'of ....' and 'about....' then they are not to be trusted. They are often assumptions and guesses, not real information indexed from original records.
In this case there is a genuine baptism of Robert Cowie, parents Peter Cowie and Janet Simpson, in Falkirk on 19 September 1756. Have you seen the original of this baptism? What does it say?
There is also a genuine record of the marriage of Peter Cowie to Janet Simpson in Falkirk on 6 December 1755. Have you seen the original of this? Does it tell you anything useful?
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I tend to agree with you but as I recall I found information via the local LDS facility over 20 years ago when I first started family history research. Perhaps I should revisit the records in Edinburgh/Scotlands People.
Being OPR's surely they will be one line entries i.e. no certificate? Perhaps this is where I got the 'of' from.
All comes down to time & money!
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I tend to agree with you but as I recall I found information via the local LDS facility over 20 years ago when I first started family history research. Perhaps I should revisit the records in Edinburgh/Scotlands People.
Yes, or on microfilm which you can get at free of charge in various libraries, or for a small fee at LDS Church libraries including the one just off Anderson Drive in Aberdeen. The LDS site has only an index to the OPRs, which is incomplete, contains guesses and estimates, and also contains information submitted to the LDS which is not reliable. (It has, or used to have, among other curious information, the complete family of the Norse gods, parish of Valhalla.)
Being OPR's surely they will be one line entries i.e. no certificate?
Yes, but baptism records in particular often include information not in the indexes, such as the names of witnesses.
All comes down to time & money!
Indeed.
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I have a Peter Cowie b abt 1802 Falkirk married Elizabeth Taylor on 30/11/1827.
I can't get back any further - any link?