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Title: George Pratt - Louise ? Marriage records
Post by: ThomasJames1918 on Friday 06 October 17 17:54 BST (UK)
Good evening all!

I was wondering if anyone could help me with my Great Great Grandmothers Maiden surname, for a few years now I've been trying to find any records for what her family name was before she got married.

She married a George Pratt 01/01/1867 Leighton Buzzard - 1963 Leighton Buzzard in 1891
Her name was Louise ? 05/11/1866 Leighton Buzzard - 13/03/1948 Biggleswade

Many Thanks,

TJames
Title: Re: George Pratt - Louise ? Marriage records
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Friday 06 October 17 18:02 BST (UK)
Possible?
Marriages Sep Q 1891  same page
Pratt    George        Leighton B.    3b   757      
Smith    Louisa        Leighton B.    3b   757    

Free to search https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Cas
Title: Re: George Pratt - Louise ? Marriage records
Post by: lizdb on Friday 06 October 17 18:05 BST (UK)
I was just going to post the same one!

If you think that maybe Smith wasn't her maiden name (ie she had been married before) then getting a copy of the marriage cert would conform.

Or, if you find the births of their children in the gro index, you can find their mothers maiden name there to see if it is Smith.
Title: Re: George Pratt - Louise ? Marriage records
Post by: Maureen Bell on Friday 06 October 17 18:08 BST (UK)
If George's father was James,then this could be the marriage
Name:   George Pratt
Gender:   Male
Age:   23
Birth Date:   1868
Marriage Date:   3 Sep 1891
Marriage Place:   All Saints,Leighton Buzzard,Bedford,England
Father:   James Pratt
Spouse:   Louisa Smith
Title: Re: George Pratt - Louise ? Marriage records
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Friday 06 October 17 18:12 BST (UK)
From GRO births MMN is Smith for both daughters in 1901 census

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp Free to search after registration.

1901 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XS3D-14L

1911 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7VT-7C7

In same area Bucks on 1939 register https://www.findmypast.co.uk/1939register

Cas
Title: Re: George Pratt - Louise ? Marriage records
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Friday 06 October 17 19:13 BST (UK)
If correct Marriage gives her father as Joseph

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVSR-9Q4

1871- Canal Side Bossington Lane, Linslade, Leighton Buzzard, Bedfordshire

Joseph   Smith   Head      Male   33   wharf lab   Leighton Buzzard, Bedfordshire   
Elizabeth   Smith   Wife      Female   32       " Bedfordshire   
Mary Ann   Smith   Daughter      Female   13    Linslade, Buckinghamshire
Louisa   Smith   Daughter      Female   5     " Buckinghamshire
Emily   Smith   Daughter      Female   3   " Buckinghamshire
Harriett   Smith   Daughter      Female   0   " Buckinghamshire
Thomas   Smith   Father      Male         63  gardeners lab,  Leighton Buzzard,  Bedfordshire

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linslade

Cas
Title: Re: George Pratt - Louise ? Marriage records
Post by: ThomasJames1918 on Saturday 07 October 17 19:31 BST (UK)
Good Evening,

Thanks very much to you all, i had a feeling she had the surname Smith as i'd found a few records that matched but the surname is so common it makes it pretty hard to trace back. I'll have a look into this as new paths have been opened.

Many Thanks

TJames
Title: Re: George Pratt - Louise ? Marriage records
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Saturday 07 October 17 20:03 BST (UK)
Online marriage index of Joseph Smith - Elizabeth Warner married 05 Jul 1857 Leighton Buzzard both age 20.  His father Thomas - brides father John.

GRO index has mmn Warner for children.

Cas
Title: Re: George Pratt - Louise ? Marriage records
Post by: ThomasJames1918 on Sunday 08 October 17 21:28 BST (UK)
Thanks very much for the help Cas, I might contact the local archives in Leighton Buzzard and see if i can go any further with this new link. Hopefully i'll get lucky

TJames
Title: Re: George Pratt - Louise ? Marriage records
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Sunday 08 October 17 22:01 BST (UK)
Would keep this census on file, as think Joseph poss b Staffordshire

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGCZ-DQ2

Cas

Title: Re: George Pratt - Louise ? Marriage records
Post by: cuffie81 on Sunday 08 October 17 23:17 BST (UK)
I've had a quick look through the newspapers and there is a reference to the 1891 marriage but unfortunately it doesn't give any more info than has already been posted.

Bucks Herald 12 September 1891
Marriages
PRATT-SMITH - At All Saints' Church, Leighton Buzzard, on the 3rd inst., by Rev. T W Richards, M.A., vicar, George Pratt and Louisa Smith, both of Leighton Buzzard.


Also, if Louisa was a Smith then George and Louisa may have had more children than were listed in the 1901 census...

GRO BMD references:

1893 Q1 Birth - Florence Louisa Pratt (mmn: Smith); Leighton Buzzard; 03b; 378
1896 Q1 Birth - Lilian May Pratt (mmn: Smith); Leighton Buzzard; 03b; 369
1897 Q4 Birth - Alice Maud Pratt (mmn: Smith); Leighton Buzzard; 03b; 380
1898 Q4 Birth - Thomas Pratt (mmn: Smith); Leighton Buzzard; 03b; 377
1900 Q2 Birth - George Edward Pratt (mmn: Smith); Leighton Buzzard; 03b; 407

1893 Q1 Death - Florence Louisa Pratt; age 0 (b1893); Leighton Buzzard; 03b; 246
1900 Q3 Death - George Edward Pratt; age 2m?* (b1900)[1]; Leighton Buzzard; 03b; 221

* GRO index has age as 2 but FreeBMD has age as 0, so I presume GRO index age is days, weeks or months, which would tally with the death notice of 2 months.

Leighton Buzzard Observer and Linslade Gazette
24 January 1893
Deaths
PRATT - On the 21st inst., at Southcourt Road, Linslade, Florence, infant daughter of George Pratt, aged 12 days.


Leighton Buzzard Observer and Linslade Gazette
17 July 1900
Deaths
PRATT - On the 11th inst., at Vandyke Road, Leighton Buzzard, George Edward, son of George Pratt, aged 2 months.


EDIT: [1] Corrected estimated birth year for George Edward Pratt, based on presumed age at death of 2m.
Title: Re: George Pratt - Louise ? Marriage records
Post by: johnP-bedford on Monday 09 October 17 09:14 BST (UK)
Also, if Louisa was a Smith then George and Louisa may have had more children than were listed in the 1901 census...

The 1911 census for George & Louie Pratt with 2 children, says they had 4 children, 2 living & 2 dead
Title: Re: George Pratt - Louise ? Marriage records
Post by: ThomasJames1918 on Monday 09 October 17 21:20 BST (UK)
This is all very interesting what you've managed to get together, the only thing i'm unsure about is the Thomas Pratt born in 1898. I'm not sure where he fits in really, but hopefully i can find out some more info on him. I'll make him my next priority.

Thanks

TJames
Title: Re: George Pratt - Louise ? Marriage records
Post by: cuffie81 on Tuesday 10 October 17 00:20 BST (UK)
There's a possible marriage between Thomas Pratt and Lucy Charlotte Smith in Leighton in 1897, who may be the parents of Thomas.

1897 Q3 Marriage - Thomas Pratt & Lucy Charlotte Smith; Leighton Buzzard; 3b; 826

On the 1901 census it looks like the same family living in Watford, with son Thomas (born c1899, LB).

Ref RG13; Piece 1316; Folio 93; Page 22;

According to the GRO index there was only one Thomas Pratt born in LB around 1898, so Thomas Pratt just looks like red herring.