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research interests are mace,murphy ,reeves,lee mostly from West Ham,london mace family i believe name ws as some stage changed to mace from masse this has been a stumbling block in my research,looking for felix masse ...belgium or france
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You "believe" or you have documentary proof of this person changing their name?
My advice is to follow the records of this individual person back not scatter searching for a surname otherwise your brick wall will continue and accept that EVERYONE hits a brick wall and often means you are looking in the wrong area and/or have not followed the record trail correctly.
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research interests are mace,murphy ,reeves,lee mostly from West Ham,london mace family i believe name ws as some stage changed to mace from masse this has been a stumbling block in my research,looking for felix masse ...belgium or france
If you are asking for help finding Felix please can you give a bit more information eg date of birth (or at least a guess) When and where do you last have him?
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It is highly unlikely there was ever a document of official/legal name change (i.e. deed poll). It would not be in any way uncommon, nor was it illegal, for him to change the spelling of his name upon immigration or at some other point of his choosing, without any sort of official record.
But unless you definitely have him on a record as Masse, it wasn't necessarily a change at all, because there is also a French surname, Macé.
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john felix mace born 16 0ct 1840 norton Folgate married Mary Hannah Pearce in 1863 his father on the wedding certificate is john felix maice an Engineer. i believe he was born in 1816 in middlesex ? he married Elizabeth Bacher or barker in 1840 she is on the 1851 census with john felix the son and his brother alfred wilhale in isleworth shis listed as a widow,she marries a richard bowden later,when did john felix the father die and when did john felix the son die and what happened to the brother,i know my 2nd great gandmother was mary Hannah pearce went to the usa with most of her children but my 2nd great gandfather john felix Maice and my 3rd great grandfather i have no clue....please help
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There could be a confusion of names here
Felix Maisse father Pierce Maisse
married
Elizabeth Bacher
1840 St Boltoph Bishopsgate
Also whether this is of any help
John Felix Perre Muisse born 1840 father Felix, mother Elizabeth
baptised St Botolph 08/11/1840
Louisa Maud
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this may be of interest
Alien Arrivals 22 Aug 1836 arrived London
Felix Bizouard with Felix Maisse
from Bologne Royal Sovereign
First Arrival
Has 2 passports from french Government
signed by bearer Bizouard Felix Maisse Felix
maybe someone can make more sense of this?
Suz
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Can't find them on 1841 as yet.
Suz, I am sure that is connected to the details I found
Louisa Maud
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think this is them in 1841
Church St Isleworth
Richard Munday? 35 Lighterman
Mary 40
Ann Murry 45
ELIZABETH MAISE 25
James Murry 14
JOHN MAISE 8months
Henry Atkins 4
all b in county
HO107 658 5 16 25
Suz
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also found this baptism record
St Botolph London
Alfred Vital Maisse
born 23 Dec 1841
baptism 30 Jan 1842
parents Felix & Elizabeth maisse
wonder if this could be Alfred's burial? Although I do not know what age he was?
Burial 3 Sept 1854 Isleworth
Alfred Maise
Suz
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Port of Dover arrival 1844 Felix Maisse with Pierce ?, father shown as Pierce Maisse on marriage, but doesn't look like Maisse as a surname on this passport
Louisa Maud
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1871 RG10/4895 FOLIO 48 PAGE33
Middlesbro
John Maisse aged 30 born St Boltophs
Mary Hannah born Cornwall
John 3 St Luke
Rosanna 1 Yorkshire
Louisa Maud
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Richard Bowden widower of Twickenham father John Bowden
married
19/11/1851
at Holy Trinity Richmond upon Thames
to
Elizabeth Maisse widow of Twickenham father John Barker
So husband Felix must have either died between these years in England, or returned to France and died there
Louisa Maud
PS John Please come back and let us know if we are on the right track
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i have all that and still cant go back any further on mace,maice ,Maisse ,john felix maisse born 1840 ,death must be before 1891 beause hos wife mary ann,hannah pearce went to america with most of the children ,she is list as widow wife of john on american censuses etc
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i have all that and still cant go back any further on mace,maice ,Maisse ,john felix maisse born 1840 ,death must be before 1891 beause hos wife mary ann,hannah pearce went to america with most of the children ,she is list as widow wife of john on american censuses etc
Why not post what you have to avoid duplication and save people from looking up stuff you already have?
wHY NOT POST WHAT YOU HAVE TO AVOID
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there is a french or belgian site which may help, that is if they originated from there and moved to scotland french revolution or ww1/2you might find people researching the same name over there. moving forward instead of going backwards most of belgiums records were destroyd during ww1. ww2
but families over there still manage to run their trees somehow.maybe bob knows which ones may help.
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I agree with you Hallmark, it is a waste of time if they already have the info, I, like others most likely have sat for hours trying to find something, what little I found he already seems to have so I was no help there
If they hailed from France, which seems likely I think perhaps it should be on a different board
Reading back I think John Mace wanted to go back further
Louisa Maud
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I think the problem here is that John has asked for two different things
In his first post he says he is looking for Felix Masse (or a variation of the name) in France or Belgium. Then in his second post he asks, "when did john felix the father die and when did john felix the son die and what happened to the brother "
It is very difficult to work out what he already knows and what he wants.
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Plus Groom the variation in the surname
LM
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i am looking for what happened to both father and son john felix and felix,in the hope that i can move foreward with the research i think this is a tough call
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i have all that and still cant go back any further on mace,maice ,Maisse ,john felix maisse born 1840 ,death must be before 1891 beause hos wife mary ann,hannah pearce went to america with most of the children ,she is list as widow wife of john on american censuses etc
You state you "have all that" - have your read all of the replies ?
You were looking for what happened to the brother Alfred - see my reply#8 -have you thoroughly checked that burial out??
You are wanting to go further back - you don't seem to mention that Felix' father's name is given as Pierce on his marriage record???
this may be of interest
Alien Arrivals 22 Aug 1836 arrived London
Felix Bizouard with Felix Maisse
from Bologne Royal Sovereign
First Arrival
Has 2 passports from french Government
signed by bearer Bizouard Pierce Maisse Felix
maybe someone can make more sense of this?
Suz
I have edited this as I had mistakenly named Mr Bizouard as Felix when his name is Pierce - could this be the Pierce who arrived at a later date 1844 with Felix Maisse??
Have you checked all of this out?
Suz
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i have all the above information,i`m a beginner in this so it would help if you tell me how i check this out it seems every avenue is dead,i`m not even sure if pierce the father is his name there is so much information on names thats in question could pierce be pierre.if i knew how to move foreward i would
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There could be a confusion of names here
Felix Maisse father Pierce Maisse
married
Elizabeth Bacher
1840 St Boltoph Bishopsgate
Also whether this is of any help
John Felix Perre Muisse born 1840 father Felix, mother Elizabeth
baptised St Botolph 08/11/1840
Posted earlier
Louisa Maud