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Researching Dorothy Simmonds who married Joseph Millward in December 1953. The entry on FreeBMD shows Dorothy listed as Simmonds or Newton. Why would it carry that second name? She was a witness to her sister's wedding as Simmonds and the notifier to her father's death as Simmonds.
But further to this, I kind find two births from the marriage where the mother's name is listed as Newton.
I have ordered the marriage certificate, but am impatient to know the answer and not sure the marriage certificate would explain it anyway.
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Can you find her married to a Newton prior to her marriage to Joseph?
Jamjar
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Can you find her married to a Newton prior to her marriage to Joseph?
Jamjar
Nothing comes up with a first look on FreeBMD
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Have you found her birth registered as Simmonds?
If not
Was she registered as Newton? - couple of possibilities
She was born before her parents married
She was not the daughter of Mr Simmonds, but took on his name when her mother married Mr Simmonds. Perhaps her mother was previously married to someone else?
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What year was she born, please?
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Born 1926. with Harry Simmonds (1881) and 2 other people in 1939?
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What year was she born, please?
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Born 1926. with Harry Simmonds (1881) and 2 other people in 1939?
Good find chempat - I wonder if 1939 register will note if she married a Newton and give the date of marriage :-\
D Millward (Newton,Simmonds) 1926
Possible birth entry and her parents marriage
Sep 1926 Macclesfield
D Simmonds mmn Tomkinson two other births 1928 & 1930
1925 Christ Church Macclesfield,
SIMMONDS Harry
TOMKINSON
Edit - I see that Dorothy Millward died 1999 Newcastle Under Lyne dob 17 July 1926
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I can't spot a Simmonds/Newton marriage ???
Staffordshire BMD marriage index shows same
Civil Marriage (Newcastle-Under-Lyme)
MILLWARD J NEWTON Dorothy
MILLWARD J SIMMONDS Dorothy
NEWTON Dorothy MILLWARD J
SIMMONDS Dorothy MILLWARD J
Remarriage
Where the lady is remarrying and both her maiden name and former married name are on the entry in the register, then both are listed in the indexes.
It is not possible to tell from the indexes which is the maiden name.
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I can't spot a Simmonds/Newton marriage ???
Staffordshire BMD marriage index shows same
Civil Marriage (Newcastle-Under-Lyme)
MILLWARD J NEWTON Dorothy
MILLWARD J SIMMONDS Dorothy
NEWTON Dorothy MILLWARD J
SIMMONDS Dorothy MILLWARD J
Remarriage
Where the lady is remarrying and both her maiden name and former married name are on the entry in the register, then both are listed in the indexes.
It is not possible to tell from the indexes which is the maiden name.
From all my other details that I have, I can be sure that her maiden name was Simmonds. That's if you can be 100% sure of anything in this research. 🤔
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baldangel,
Are you saying that you know the children from the marriage, and they show the mother's maiden name as Newton, not Simmonds?
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baldangel,
Are you saying that you know the children from the marriage, and they show the mother's maiden name as Newton, not Simmonds?
No, I don't know for sure. I have been through the Staffordshire Births index and found a couple of Millward births with the mother's maiden name listed as Newton, but none as Simmonds.
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Just for background, one of Dorothy's siblings:
Births Mar 1930
Albert Simmonds mmn Tomkinson Macclesfield 8a 184
Deaths Mar 1930
Albert Simmonds 0 Macclesfield 8a 196
and the other?
Births Sep 1928
May Simmonds mmn Tomkinson Macclesfield 8a 191
Marriages Sep 1948
George Bowers Macclesfield 10a 1017
May Simmonds Macclesfield 10a 1017
Death
May Bowers born 21st July 1928
Died December 1983 - Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
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Just for background, one of Dorothy's siblings:
Births Mar 1930
Albert Simmonds mmn Tomkinson Macclesfield 8a 184
Deaths Mar 1930
Albert Simmonds 0 Macclesfield 8a 196
and the other?
Births Sep 1928
May Simmonds mmn Tomkinson Macclesfield 8a 191
Marriages Sep 1948
George Bowers Macclesfield 10a 1017
May Simmonds Macclesfield 10a 1017
Death
May Bowers born 21st July 1928
Died December 1983 - Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
That is correct as to my research. May had two sons that I have been unable to locate.
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I have received the marriage certificate from Staffordshire County Council, good service to receive after just four days.
The majority of the entry points to this being the Dorothy Simmonds from my tree. The age is correct, the father is Harry Simmonds (deceased) and his given profession as General Labourer matches that of his death certificate.
Her given name reads: Dorothy Newton formerly known as Dorothy Simmonds and her condition is listed as Spinster.
All the other details of her that I have, and her family, have been based in the Macclesfield area, but by now (1953) she is residing in Newcastle-under-Lyme with her and Joseph both listing the same address on the certificate.
One of the witnesses is obviously related by name to Joseph Millward, the other means nothing.
I'm not sure this takes me anywhere.
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As she describes herself as spinster, then the implication is that she took the name Newton, but did not actually marry a Mr Newton.
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As she describes herself as spinster, then the implication is that she took the name Newton, but did not actually marry a Mr Newton.
To which, I suppose, I will never find an answer.
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Depends how common the name Dorothy Newton is, and whether you want to trawl through ER's, locally, to see if you can find her as Simmonds and then as Newton, but probably fruitless.
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Her given name reads: Dorothy Newton formerly known as Dorothy Simmonds and her condition is listed as Spinster.
That tells you a lot - so it appears her father was SIMMONDS, and she was known ( and presumably born) under that name but at some point she started to use the name NEWTON which she was known by at the time of her marriage. That might be because she was co-habiting with someone and using his name, or maybe her mother married a man called NEWTON ? The fact she was a spinster confirms she had not married before.
Her maiden name ( for the purpose of searching for children) would therefore be NEWTON.
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I don't believe it had anything to do with her mother as she died whilst still married to Harry Simmonds.