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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Mozzie on Friday 29 September 17 13:23 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I'm researching Lucy Anne Church's family tree and was wondering if anyone can find the name of Lucy's father. Lucy was born Sept. 1895 in Holborn (1b 733). Her mother was Francis Church born 1870 in Berkshire but I can't find the name of the father or what Francis Church's maiden name was. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
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There is no mother's maiden name given for Lucy Anne's birth registration, which suggests that Lucy is possibly illegitimate. Information from GRO website.
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Did Lucy Anne Church marry in 1918?
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1901 Census - RG13/251 folio 102 page 71 - Clerkenwell
Frances Church - 31 - single - Buyer of Lace - born Reading
Irene - 8 - born Clerkenwell
Lucy - 6 - born Clerkenwell
There is no mother's maiden name given for Irene Frances Church, registered June quarter 1892.
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1911 Census gives similar information - all single.
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When Irene married she gave her father as Albert Church when she married in 1916!
Jennifer
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When Lucy Anne CHURCH married Ernest William GINN on Sep 21 1918 she gave her father's name as George Henry Church!
The two sisters married two brothers.
Both attended White Lion Street School (formerly Penton Grove School) and their father is shown as Francis, although mis-transcribed as Marcus on Irene's record
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An on line tree gives that the sisters were half siblings?
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Using the address from the school records they are on the 1901 census
at 23 White Conduit Street, Clerkenwell, Amwell, London - District 03
Frances CHURCH aged 31; J??? Buyer of Lace; own acct; born Reading, Berkshire
Irene aged 8; born Clerkenwell
Lucy aged 5; born Clerkenwell
editted to add - apologies to BumbleB I missed your post and duplicated
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Looking at how she signed her name in 1911 - Frances Filer CHURCH
There is a birth in 1869 Q1 Jan-Mar Farnham Surrey V1a P85 of the same name
LINK (https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3A%22frances%20filer%22~%20%2Bsurname%3Achurch~) to baptism details
Baptism in York Town on Jan 31 1869
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Hi
What isn't immediately clear is that Church is Frances's maiden name.
She's unmarried.
Children
Irene Frances born in the Workhouse 12.4.1892
Lucy Anne 8.8.1895.
Irene gives her father as Albert church on her marriage when she married at Islington in 1916 to Walter Edward Ginn but I think that was just because she was embarrased in front of the Vicar.
There's a Fanny Church baptised at Ardington Berks 3.4.1870 d of William and Mary who may be her.
There are school records for the girls and Workhouse records in London on Ancestry and no mention of Dad.
Sorry I was typing while myluck was posting she may well be right for the mother,she has a sister Lucy Ann Church and the family are living in Reading 1881,parents George and Charlotte Ellen Church nee Leavey baker
Ciderdrinker
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on 1881 census at 23 Norwood Ter, Reading; St Giles, Berkshire
Piece: 1308; Folio: 58; Page Number: 18
George Church 51
Ellen Church 39
Lucy A. Church 17
Frances F. Church 12
Arthur G. Church 8
LINK (https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3A%22frances%20filer%22~%20%2Bsurname%3Achurch~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1868-1871~%20%2Brecord_country%3AEngland)
She may have named her daughter after her sister
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1911 Census - Frances signs as Frances Filer Church. There is a baptism 31 January 1869 - York Town, Surrey - parents George and Charlotte Ellen.
GRO Index gives mmn for Frances Filer as Leavey - March quarter 1869.
FreeBMD - December 1852, Newbury District - George Church and Charlotte Ellen Leavey appear on the same page.
Did they all migrate to Australia?
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Possible death for Frances F CHURCH in 1936 -
LINK (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVH2-BMCN)
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on 1871 census at
202 park Road, York Town, Frimley, Surrey
George Church 41
Charlotte E Church 37
Alice Church 16
Thomas C Church 14
George Church 12
Henry W Church 11
Edward Church 9
Lucy A Church 7
Catherine E Church 5
Frances F Church 2
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Mozzie: As you have now been on-line at least twice since yesterday afternoon, it would be nice to learn whether we have been of help to you, or not. ;)
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You've beat me to it. Trying to put all the new data with other information from family and write an informative reply. Will answer all individual messages and thank each one for their greatly appreciated time and help. I know that "rootschat" is by far the best genealogy website online and definitely the most helpful that I've ever come across to date. Regards Mozzie
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Very glad that we were of use to you.
Possibly not the happiest of starts for Lucy and her sister, but hopefully it all got better for them. :)
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Thank you Mozzie
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Thanks for all your help. For everyone that is researching this family, I do believe that Lucy Anne Church/Ginn, her sister Irene Frances Church/Ginn, their two husbands and the girls mother Frances Church sailed to Australia on the ship "Demosthenes", arriving in Albany, West Australia 14th Jan 1924 as part of the Group Settlement Scheme. Regards Mozzie.