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Title: Dating Photo from Bendetti and Co Court Photgraphers Peckham Rye
Post by: SteveFarmer on Friday 29 September 17 08:53 BST (UK)
Hi

Trying to date this image and I believe Benedetti was at these addresses 1901-9

Any suggestions gratefully received

Thanks
Steve
Title: Re: Bendetti and Co Court Photgraphers Peckham Rye
Post by: Wiggy on Friday 29 September 17 11:05 BST (UK)
Those very large leg of mutton sleeves are usually associated with the early 1890s.   So I am guessing early in that decade.

To attract the dating experts, how about adding 'dating' to your orginal title.     ;)

Wiggy.
Title: Re: Dating Photo from Bendetti and Co Court Photgraphers Peckham Rye
Post by: Handypandy on Friday 29 September 17 12:20 BST (UK)
Clean up...
Title: Re: Dating Photo from Bendetti and Co Court Photgraphers Peckham Rye
Post by: SteveFarmer on Friday 29 September 17 12:27 BST (UK)
Wow thank you very much !

I have a rather large tiff file of the scan, it would be great to clean that up.

Did you use photoshop and various filters or was it mostly by hand ?

Regards
Steve
Title: Re: Dating Photo from Bendetti and Co Court Photgraphers Peckham Rye
Post by: tonepad on Friday 29 September 17 13:22 BST (UK)
According to the photoLondon database, this studio was at these premises as a company from 1891-1901.

http://www.photolondon.org.uk/pages/details.asp?pid=594

There are several members of the Benedetti family on the database.
Title: Re: Dating Photo from Bendetti and Co Court Photgraphers Peckham Rye
Post by: Treetotal on Friday 29 September 17 13:30 BST (UK)
I would say mid-late 1890s going by the sleeves. if you want it restored...you can modify the title of your post to include a restore.
Carol
Title: Re: Dating Photo from Bendetti and Co Court Photgraphers Peckham Rye
Post by: SteveFarmer on Friday 29 September 17 23:43 BST (UK)
According to the photoLondon database, this studio was at these premises as a company from 1891-1901.

http://www.photolondon.org.uk/pages/details.asp?pid=594

There are several members of the Benedetti family on the database.

Thanks for that info, the reverse of the image matches these periods;
2. 78 Rye Lane, Peckham 1884 - 1901. Successors to Benedetti & Boccalini; succeeded by Benedetti & Son.
Unnumbered until 1888: usually listed as "By Station Approach ", or "Corner of South Grove" Aka Britannia Photographic Co.
3. 39 High Road, Lee, Lewisham 1887 - 1901. Succeeded by Benedetti & Son.

Given that the image is numbered, it would seem to date from between 1888 and 1901, which narrows things down quite a lot !

Steve
Title: Re: Dating Photo from Bendetti and Co Court Photgraphers Peckham Rye
Post by: SteveFarmer on Friday 29 September 17 23:44 BST (UK)
I would say mid-late 1890s going by the sleeves. if you want it restored...you can modify the title of your post to include a restore.
Carol

That matches the dates derived from bendetti and co perfectly  :)

Steve
Title: Re: Dating Photo from Bendetti and Co Court Photgraphers Peckham Rye
Post by: SteveFarmer on Friday 29 September 17 23:47 BST (UK)
One last question; Can anyone hazard a guess at the age of the woman in the picture?

We were thinking she looks around 50 years of age

Thanks
Steve
Title: Re: Dating Photo from Bendetti and Co Court Photgraphers Peckham Rye
Post by: Wiggy on Saturday 30 September 17 00:10 BST (UK)
My hazardous guess is a bit younger . . . in her 40s I am guessing . . . .  Hmmmm   :-\

Wiggy
Title: Re: Dating Photo from Bendetti and Co Court Photgraphers Peckham Rye
Post by: Jool on Saturday 30 September 17 01:42 BST (UK)
My guess agrees with Wiggy, in her 40's
Title: Re: Dating Photo from Bendetti and Co Court Photgraphers Peckham Rye
Post by: McGroger on Saturday 30 September 17 03:45 BST (UK)
Three more opinions for you: my 34-year-old graphic artist son (while dropping off the grandkids) says late 30s; my wife says 40s; I say 40-45. Now wouldn't we all be embarrassed if she was 50.  :)
Cheers, Peter.
Title: Re: Dating Photo from Bendetti and Co Court Photgraphers Peckham Rye
Post by: SteveFarmer on Saturday 30 September 17 05:13 BST (UK)
Hi

Even if we allow for a birth date range from 1840 to 1860, assuming the image dates from 1890, then there is only one possibility I can see. Her immigration date is before Bendetti and Co began numbering the images though.  The other two possibles arrived in Australia in 1867 and 1871, bith a bit early I think

Charlotte Elizabeth Quested
Born; 16 Dec 1848, London, Middlesex, England
Immigration; 11 Jul 1887, Tilbury, England, UK

Thanks for all the help  :)

Steve
Title: Re: Dating Photo from Bendetti and Co Court Photgraphers Peckham Rye
Post by: Wiggy on Saturday 30 September 17 08:28 BST (UK)
That would appear to be about right then.   ;)

Wiggy 
Title: Re: Dating Photo from Bendetti and Co Court Photgraphers Peckham Rye
Post by: Treetotal on Saturday 30 September 17 08:56 BST (UK)
I would agree with mid 40s.
Carol
Title: Re: Dating Photo from Bendetti and Co Court Photgraphers Peckham Rye
Post by: jim1 on Saturday 30 September 17 10:20 BST (UK)
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Given that the image is numbered, it would seem to date from between 1888 and 1901, which narrows things down quite a lot !
Wiggy already dated this at mid-late 1890's which is correct.
This bodice style didn't exist 1887-91.
Title: Re: Dating Photo from Bendetti and Co Court Photgraphers Peckham Rye
Post by: Wiggy on Saturday 30 September 17 10:27 BST (UK)
Woo-hoo . .  :D.   Thanks Jim!     8)

(Though to be honest I think Carol was a few years closer with her 'mid to late'!).  ;D
Title: Re: Dating Photo from Bendetti and Co Court Photgraphers Peckham Rye
Post by: SteveFarmer on Saturday 30 September 17 13:38 BST (UK)
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Given that the image is numbered, it would seem to date from between 1888 and 1901, which narrows things down quite a lot !
Wiggy already dated this at mid-late 1890's which is correct.
This bodice style didn't exist 1887-91.

Hi

So the bodice style and the numbering of the image mean that it cannot be Charlotte Quested, because the 11 Jul 1887 is the arrival date in Sydney.  The R.M.S Potosi left Tilbury on 24 Dec 1886

The woman in the image may well remain a mystery

Steve
Title: Re: Dating Photo from Bendetti and Co Court Photgraphers Peckham Rye
Post by: Treetotal on Saturday 30 September 17 14:08 BST (UK)
Could she have made a trip back to the UK at any point? The brooch is interesting...do you have any other later female photos of anyone else wearing it?
Carol
Title: Re: Dating Photo from Bendetti and Co Court Photgraphers Peckham Rye
Post by: SteveFarmer on Sunday 01 October 17 02:50 BST (UK)
Could she have made a trip back to the UK at any point? The brooch is interesting...do you have any other later female photos of anyone else wearing it?
Carol

Hi Carol

I thought about that as well, but the three possible women are all having babies in Australia up until the 1890's and given the time it took for the sea voyage I don't think any of them could have gone back to the old dart in 1890.

Of course the pic may be of one of their sisters back in England who sent it via the post.

Great suggestion about the brooch, we will ask my partners mum about it

Regards
Steve
Title: Re: Dating Photo from Bendetti and Co Court Photgraphers Peckham Rye
Post by: SteveFarmer on Wednesday 11 October 17 07:42 BST (UK)
Sadly my partners mum does not remember anyone in the family wearing that brooch, so it seems she will remain a mystery for now

Thanks very much to everyone for the help and suggestions  :)

Steve