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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: Bona on Thursday 21 September 17 06:47 BST (UK)
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My G.grand father x3 was George Bradburn born in Staffordshire, went to India in the 30th ft regiment in about 1809 ish. He married Mary Ann Fawcett, an Indian/Briton widow at Fort Madras. Her mother was Peggy Ayers a native widow who married John Walker, Mary Ann's father.George and Mary Ann's only child was George Henry Bradburn, my gg.grandfather.
I would like help with locating the birth record of George Bradburn from Staffordshire. Also is there any way of finding out more about the Indian origins of Peggy Ayers?
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The marriage was at Bangalore, 9 September 1840.
George Bradburn, gunner DC 3 Batt Artillery, bachelor
Mary Ann Faucett of Bangalore, widow, indo Briton
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Out of interest, how do you know that this George Bradburn, a gunner in the HEIC artillery, started out in the infantry in the British Army, was probably in his fifties (if he came to India in 1809), and came from Staffordshire?
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Thanks for you reply, yes that is right Shaun. I have copies of the original marriage entries for George and Mary Ann, also her parents Peggy Ayers and John Walker. Actually it John Walker who in the 30th ft Reg.George was born in Gt Haywood Staffordshire in 1806 and went to India as a young man . He was killed in China sometime before 1847 when Mary Ann died and left my g great grandfather an orphan.Mary Ann 's siblings died when they were children. Is it likely little George Henry would have been sent back to England to his fathers family ? Just saw your second post, sorry made a mistake about when george went to India.
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My g grandfather x 2 George Bradburn was born in Great Haywood, Staffordshire in 1806. Are there any records earlier than 1837 for births etc in that location ? Would like to discover his other family members.
Thanks in advance.
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You will not find birth records before 1837, but you will find baptisms/christenings in Parish Registers.
FindMyPast has Staffordshire Parish Registers.
They will also be available at Staffordshire Archives:
https://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/leisure/archives/homepage.aspx
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Thankyou KGARRAD, I will check it out.
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There are Glasgow Bradburn's, iron-workers, who came from that neck if the woods.
Skoosh.
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No sign of a C of E baptism in Staffordshire.
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May I ask how you know he was born c 1806 Great Haywood?
Cant seem to find him on 1851 Census with that pob.
Trish :)
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There is a tree on Ancestry giving the birth of a George Bradburn in Great Haywood in 1807. According to the tree he was married in India in 1840 to Mary Ann Walker and died in India in 1845
Chris
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Hi Everyone ,
Thanks for your replies re . my ancestor George Bradburn. Yes that is the correct , George who went to India. His son George Henry came to New Zealand. I am his g.g.grand daughter. Don't have any verified info about his actual birth date and place of birth.Thus my query. Have got this information from other sites, but never find an entry in parish and other records so far.
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The only entry I could find on Fibis for George Snr;
Military records > Medal rolls : China Campaign, 1842 (Madras Artillery & Staff only)
Geo.
Surname Bradburn
Rank Gunner
Regiment Madras Artillery
Troop or Company 'D' Co.
Service 3rd Batt.
And from Familysearch.Org;
MARRIAGE
9 September 1840, Bangalore, Madras, India
George BRADBURN to Mary Ann TAUCELL**
BURIAL;
MARY ANN Bradburn, Widow of GEORGE, 21 May 1847 Madras
Death 21 May 1847
Age 20**
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So, he wasn't in the British Army, but in the Madras Army of the Presidency of Madras.
The presidency armies were part of the British East India Company.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madras_Army
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Yes. I did a bit of googling also ;D
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Hi Trish,
Thanks for the info, There are a few errors in those entries. Mary Ann was actually born in 1815,she was 32 when she died leaving my g. great grand father an orphan as his father had been killed in a campaign in China.She was a widow when she married George and her previous married name was Fawcett. Her parents were Peggy Ayers , an Indian woman and John Walker of the 30 th foot regiment in Madras.
Still hoping to find a birth record somewhere for George.
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That's interesting, so we're did that army originate ? We're they English soldiers ?
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Most of the Armies with the British East India Company were British (& Irish) - certainly the officers.
There were also native Indian regiments in all 3 Presidency Armies.
In the Madras Army there were 51 regiments of Native Infantry, 3 regiments of European Infantry, 8 Regiments of Light Cavalry and 3 regiments of Artillery.
(All from that Wikipedia page I mentioned)
An ancestor of mine was in the Bengal Army, a veterinary surgeon in the Cavalry Regiments.
He apparently survived a massacre during the Indian Mutiny by hiding in a cellar?
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Hi Bona,
Thanks for clearing up all the info on Mary Ann, how sad that your great grandfather was orphaned at such a young age.
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2 topics on the subject now merged
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Yes I initially asked in the other thread about info relating to my Indian g.g.great grandmother and to find her origins. Her daughter married George . Also if orphans were sent back to England. So it is essentially the same story.
Yes Trish don't we uncover some sad stories in the lives of our ancestors.
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Had a break through today! Found George's son 's death (George Henry) notice in 1897 New Zealand . At the end of notice it says please copy to Liverpool papers. So this strongly suggests the family came from Liverpool. Still haven't found him yet though. Thankyou everyone for help in Staffordshire.
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There is a Heywood in Lancashire. I've had a very quick look but couldnt see anything obvious
Chris
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Where did the Great Haywood reference come from?
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I think another family researcher maybe confused Gt Harwood with Gt Haywood ?? It must have been sometime ago and it has just stuck and been passed around various sites and trees as accurate. I have only recently started on this branch of the family beyond George Henry's daughter, Eveline Cecelia, my grandmother's mother.As we all know it pays where possible to verify information with a doc. or parish entry. Old newspapers online are fab too, to fill in gaps. Thanks Chris, I have had a quick look too .
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There are quite a few Bradburns in Liverpool in the 1891 census, including a merchant named Randal Bradburn born Lichfield circa 1827. Lichfield is 12 miles from Great Haywood. There's also a widow Harriet Bradburn born Rushton circa 1826. Rushton is about 25 miles from Great Haywood.
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Shaun,Thanks so much for that info. it's hard to get the sense of places and distances when you on the other side of the world ! I will check them out.
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Update re George Bradburn .
Joined the army at age 25 years in 1833 says from Great Haywood ,Staffordshire .
Occupation engineer before enlistment.
Sailed to India on ship 'Hindustan'
Still no info found for his birth , parents etc. Help!
I believe Great Haywood came under Colwich parish much later but what parish at the time of his birth, 1807-1808?
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GenUKI page for Colwich states:
Haywood, Great and Little, are two neat villages, near Colwich, the latter three and a half, and the former four miles NW of Rugeley. Great Haywood has 765 inhabitants, and Little Haywood 519 inhabitants, 252 of the former and 49 of the latter are in Stowe parish.
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/STS/Colwich
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What a delightful description of Colwich and surrounding villages. Wouldn't you think it would be easy to find the records of an ancestor from such a tiny village??
Thanks K Garrard.
I notice you research the Sims family. My Sims family were originally from Kent..
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The GenUKI quote was taken from a Gazetteer of 1851, and shows that approx 1/3 of the Great Haywood residents were in Stowe parish, and the remaining 2/3 were in Colwich parish.
So you would need to check both parishes.
That's always assuming your chap was born/baptised there!
My mother was a Sims - but the family were always in Wiltshire (traced back to mid-1500s).