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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: jma09 on Wednesday 13 September 17 16:28 BST (UK)
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Hiya. Can anyone please help me to decipher the village name underneath Farmer. The page is from the baptisms in Kippen, Stirlingshire Scotland. John Johnston was a farmer from ?? This would really help as I can't find john or Agnes Cunningham anywhere in stirlingshire or perthshire. Thanks
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Can't find anything here:
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=14&lat=56.1286&lon=-4.1857&layers=1&b=1 [6 inch]
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=56.1274&lon=-4.1759&layers=168&b=1 [25 inch]
Starts with what looks like 'Dam' & seems to end in 'train' ???
ADDED: This baptism is 1824. Where are any of this trio living in the 1841 census? To help find them on the censuses, do you know if the son was known as Johnston or Cunningham? Did Agnes marry John Johnston or A N Other after 1824? John jnr may have changed his name to a step father's.
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Scotlands People have only 1 result on the free index for 1841 & 1851 entries for a John Johnston in Kippen. You would need to buy credits to view. These might give his abode. It placename may not be an village but a croft or farm.
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Good evening,
Why would it be a place name, surely that is the occupation column. You have farmer above the entry you are looking at and maltster below. Therefore you must be looking at his occupation.
John915
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Sorry to disagree, but I think the column, for each couple, has the father's occupation then underneath it the abode. Under 'Maltster' is Kippen, then again under the next entry 'Wright, Kippen'.
The father in the first 3 couples is in each case a farmer from the same area of abode, hence the dittos.
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This couple are elusive. Agnes dissapears all together. John snr also disappears. There is no recorded marriage for agnes and john. John jnr lives with his maternal g parents in kippen/fintry until he goes to glasgow and marries there. The kippen 1841 is my john johnston jnr who was born in 1813 but bapt 1826
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I agree Josey. I have had a look at the OS name books on ScotlandsPlaces for Kippen and there are no place names which match any part of the name - Dam..., Dan..., ...train. As the child was "born in fornication" it is possible that John Johnston lived in an adjacent parish and the mother was the one who was resident in Kippen parish.
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Thanks carlineric. Do you think the word is Dumfries or is that too far away?
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Is it possibly Deanston, badly spelt ?
Orkrad
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Deanston ?
The 't' looks different to most of the others... Walter/Maltster & doesn't appear to be crossed?
Certainly not an easy one ;)
Annie
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Can you tell us what the actual heading of that column says please?
Annie
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This couple are elusive. Agnes dissapears all together.
May be worth looking for Nancy/Nan/Nessie/Ann/Annie all variants?
Annie
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The heading on the column is occupation/residence
Thanks for all your suggestions, I am exploring each one as they come in.
J
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hi,
I have been wondering too if it could be the name of a farm rather than a village.
I googled variations of the spelling including Dumbrain and found a farm in Balloch called Dumbain.
In www.valeofleven.org
this farm has been in existence for 250 years.
It may be a shot in the dark but Kippen and Balloch are not that far apart.
Good luck, Anne
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hi again - just noticed the Australian flag.
Kippen and Balloch are about 20 miles apart.
if you google - distance from Kippen to Balloch a map comes up
Anne
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Thanks very much :D I found a John and Agness Johnston, aged 50, in the 1841 census in Dunbarton. Now I am all excited and need to verify that this is my guys. Thank you all very much :)
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Well done emmanne...
Looks like your find has something?
Worth exploring JMA!
Annie