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I am trying to find out where James Mellor Born 1798 was born, also the maiden name of his wife Anne. He died according to the family bible on 26th August 1861 but he is not on the 1861 census !
He was an attorney and lived at 109 Stamford Street in 1832 (Aston Trade Directory)
His Widow and Children appear on the 1861 census living at 55 Alma Street, Birkdale.
as follows :-
Anne b 1798 b Skipton
Charles b 1834 Ashton
Eliza b 1836 Ashton
James b 1826 Ashton
Miriam b 1838 Ashton
They were married according to the family bible on the 4 th October 1820, but I have been unable to trace where or what Anne's maiden name was.
I would be grateful for any help in finding this information.
Many thanks
Peter
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Hello Peter,
Here they are in 1841
HO107/532/6 folio 10
Stamford Street, A-u-L
James Mellor, 43 yrs, Solicitor, born in the county
Ann Mellor, 43 yrs. NOT born in the county
Ann Mellor, 19 yrs, born in the county
Margt Mellor, 17 yrs, born in the county
(?) male Mellor, 15 yrs, born in the county
John Mellor, 13 yrs, born in the county
Caroline Mellor, 12 yrs, born in the county
Charles Mellor, 7 yrs, born in the county
Eliza Mellor, 6 yrs, born in the county
Miriam Mellor, 3 yrs, born in the county
Elizabeth (Hurst?/Street?), 32 yrs, F. Servant, NOT born in the county.
Hannah Lees, 27 yrs, F. Servant, born in the county.
I cannot read the name of the female servant as it is not very clear, but if you put another posting up with the piece no. and folio no. to see if someone else can decipher it, I thought as a
very long shot she could have perhaps been a sister to Ann as they were both NOT born in the county, then perhaps you can go from there.
They are not in the 1851 census on Stamford Street or Alma Street, Birkdale.
Sorry if this is not much help.
georgie
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Thanks for your help Georgie.
At least James was born in the county.
I am surprised they were not on the 1851 census as the daughter Caroline died at Stamford St in March 1850.
The address I have for for 1861 should have read 55 Alma Road (not St), Birkdale.
I note your comment about the servant could be worth a try.
Once again many thanks
Peter
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I just thought you might like to know that they weren't in Birkdale or Southport area in 1851 (no Mellors in Birkdale). There is one Mellor in North Meols (Southport), though, who might be useful:
Alice Mellor, visitor, aged 49, weaver born Ashton....at the home of Thomas Carr (Tailor b Southport). Address: 35 Eastbank St, Southport. She's obviously not James' wife, but could she be a sister?
Impy
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Hi Peter and Georgie
I have taken a look at the 1841 AUL
The unknown male age 15 is James Wm. Mellor
The female servant is (first impression) Elizabeth Street.
Regards
Su
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Hi Impy and Su,
I am not aware of any Mellor's in the Southport area that were related although there may have been.The reason for the family moving from AUL to Birkdale before James's death in 1861 is not known. I have him dying on 26th August 1861 yet he is not on the 1861 census return with the rest of the family at Alma Rd, perhaps he was in hospital ?
Su, thanks for confirming that James William was the other child.Regarding the servant I have now established that James's wife Anne's maiden name was STIRK, is the servant definitely Elisabeth STREET.
I am still mystified as to where the family where in 1851 - but have got no further with this conundrum.
Many thanks for your help.
Peter
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;D ;D ;D Peter
I was just going to suggest Ann's maiden name was Stirk.. I found them on the IGI marriage 4 Oct 1820 St. Peters Huddersfield.
I am not sure if the whole of Stamford Street is on the 1851, some of the pages keep repeating themselves.
Perhaps this is why they cannot be found there.
Can anyone confirm this for me please?
Regards
Su
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Hi Peter
i think i have may have found Your James Mellor on the 1861 Census
1861 Census..
Census Ref no: RG9/424 Foilo 48 Page 32
Woking Surrey England
Guildford Woking
Woking Invalid Convict Prison
J M Age 63 Male Convict born Ashton Under Lyme Occupation: Attorney
Hope this helps in some way
Regards
Iria
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Hi Iria,
Looks like he was the black sheep of the family!
I'll have to follow this up.No doubt if he was a crooked lawyer there will be some case records that I may be able to access via the net. This is certainly a big surprise, if it is him. the age, place of birth and occupation fit.
Many Thanks
Peter
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Hi,
Parts of the 1851 Ashton under Lyne Census were water damaged. Perhaps this is why we can`t find him on Stamford Street I certainly can`t find a 109 .
Ooooh! Just spotted Iria`s message. As Ann was still married on the 1861 and there are no other James Mellor`s that fit the bill, this certainly looks likely to be him - I wonder what he did?
If you ever find out do let us know.
Regards.
Mo
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Hi Peter
There is also a James Mellor Attorney at Warington Road Ashton under Lyme in 1821 (Ashton Under Lyme Trade Dic)
Hope this helps in some way
Regards
Iria
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Hi Iria,
I had spotted him at Warrington St - it's likely to be him.
I haven't yet traced the reason why he was in prison, not really sure quite where to look for this. Presumably local newspaper archives if accesible would contain this detail.
Regards
Peter
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Hi Iria,
I have looked on 1837online and Ancestry but can't find the entry you have located for James in Woking Prison, would prison institutions be included in their extracts ?.
Regards
Peter
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Hi peter
Have you got a e.mail address as i could send you the 1861 Census Image of the J M in woking prison
regards
iria
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Peter,
I have just found your 2005 corresp. on subject of James Mellor, alleged convict. Did you ever find out what he did? I am new to rootschat so don't really know how it works or how to talk privately to you, but if you have a family bible it seems to me that you must be a senior member of my family. I am a gt grandson of his son James William Mellor, who was also a solicitor. I have acquired a number of documents such as his actual wedding record from Huddersfield, his father Joseph's will and his marriage records from Ashton, first to Ann Harrop and secondly to Elizabeth Willetts. Would love to share discoveries with you, but you might have to guide me through the rootschat process. Alternatively, are you a member of Genes Reunited?
Regards,
Mikkel.
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Mikkel,
I have sent you a personal message as well as this posting. James Mellor was convicted of fraud in March 1858 and sentenced to Life imprisonment and died in Woking Invalid Prison in August 1861. I have all the details relating to his conviction and also information on his family which I can let you have. From what you say you may be able to fill a few gaps for me.
Regards
Peter
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Iria,
Harking back 3 years... how on earth did you manage to find James Mellor in Woking prison when only his initials are given on the census? Can you educate me please? I love to learn new tricks - I'm actually only just learning to use RootsChat & I seem to need to post a number of messages before I can start to use PMs, so this msg has a dual purpose!
Many thanks,
Mikkel.
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Hello Peter, I know it is a long time since you first started this thread, but I have only just seen it! We bought 55 Alma Road 2 years ago and we would dearly love to know its previous history and anything at all to do with it. Do you know anything at all more aboutthe house and its owner?
Kind Regards,
Eric.
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Hi Eric
It is a long while since I posted about the Mellors. I am not sure I can help with 55 Alma Road.
The 1861 census shows Anne Mellor and family living at 55 New Bath Street. 1871 shows them at Ellerslie Villas , Alma Road (number not shown). In 1881 they were at 33 Alma Road.
That's all the information I have.
Regards
Peter
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Thanks for your prompt reply, Peter. I am a little confused insomuch as your original post indicated that Anne and her children lived at 55, Alma Road. If indeed that is correct, the it would seem that they were the first residents of the house. Given James Mellor was convicted of fraud it would be very interesting to know on what basis and with what funds the hous was built. It seems we will never know.
Kind Regards,
Eric.