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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: ourgang on Saturday 02 September 17 22:55 BST (UK)
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My Gt Grandfather Christopher Carr married his second wife Susan Farrell on 1st September 1878 at St Michael's Church, Dún Laoghaire. Her parents were listed as Miles Farrell and Bridget Byrne from Sallynoggin and the witness Patrick Byrne and Mary Farrell, Belgrave Square probably Monkstown Co Dublin. I can't seem to get any handle on the Farrell family. Did Susan have brothers and/or sisters?
Christopher Carr, my Gt Grandfather was born in Liverpool and travelled back and forth Dublin/Liverpool over the years. We originally thought he had met the second wife in Liverpool where he returned after the death of his first wife but a kind rootschatter Tara guided me to the marriage of 1 st September 1878 in Dún Laoghaire.
Christopher Carr settled in what was then called Avondale or Thomastown and is now know as Sallynoggin.
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Hi there,
I am new to the forum and noticed this post about Susan Farrell and Christopher Carr.
It's very interesting to read this, Christopher was my 3rd great grandfather.
I do have him down as passing away in Thomastown in Rathdown too.
Would be interested to chat to see if our research can benefit each other at all?
Thanks!
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Hi
Possible sister
Mary Farel d of Miles Farel and Bridget Byrne 8.6.1851 at Killaveny alternatively known as
Annacorra
god parents Pat Doyle and Lilly Eilleen Muckleover.
Ciderdrinker
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Great to see activity on my old post. I haven't tackled the family research for a few years. Reigns 1989 Christopher Carr was my Grandmother's father, my Gt Grandfather. I was delighted over the years, with the help of another rootschatter to find his grave in Deansgrange Cemetery and put a plaque on it. When he died there was probably no money for a headstone.
I could never get a handle on Susan Farrell and ciderdrinker's post has given me renewed incentive to dust off my old records and start over.
I didn't start my research until a bit too late. My mother and all her family were dead and I had no reference to follow up for Susan
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Christopher Carr and Susanna Farrell's marriage says he was a bachelor.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1878/11110/8066837.pdf
It also gives a date of 21 of September but otherwise appears to be the same marriage mentioned above.
Note one of the witnesses is Mary Farrell
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That is the correct marriage Sinann. I must have put the incorrect date on my first post!!
I haven't got my records available at the moment but I traced a first marriage to an Elizabeth McGuinness and a subsequent birth of a son Patrick. Elizabeth died and Christopher appears to have gone back to Liverpool for a little while leaving Patrick with the McGuinness family in Thomastown. I had no one to verify this first marriage with so maybe it was incorrect assumption. My grandmother never mentioned a Patrick Carr.
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Susan died 1893 age given as 37 (which may be incorrect, death ages often are)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1893/06003/4708435.pdf
so born about 1855.
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Thank you Sinann that is the correct death for Susan. My great Uncle James was just a baby at the time and my grandmother and the other girls helped to rear him.
I have all the birth and death records for all Christopher Carr's children but I was always intrigued about the family of Susannah Farrell his wife.
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Comparing the two marriages
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1872/11297/8144635.pdf
Christopher makes his mark on the marriage to Elizabeth and he is working for the railway as a plate layer which may have been a temporary labouring job.
Father is a Seaman on first marriage and a sailor on second.
Could be the same man, the only way to tell I think is finding out if there are two James Carr sailors with sons Christopher in the same area at the same time.
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I am going to follow the lead that ciderdrinker gave about the birth of Mary Farrell this gives the possible birthplace as Ferns and there was talk way back in my mother's family of relations in Ferns. I always assumed these relations were related to the Jordan side of the family (my grandfather) but it could be the Farrell side! I know I should have started this research when all my relations were alive!! that is the big lecture I give people ha ha
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The parish registers may be the only way to find Susan's family
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0568
assuming they were from Wicklow and not from Dublin.
Worth looking for her baptism at any rate.
Edited to fix county, I'm always making that mistake.
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Thank you Sinann. This renewed activity will lead me to dusting off my records and restarting. Thank you for your help.
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Christopher Carr's daughter, Kate Carr is my 2nd great grandmother. I see James was her brother? Which of the siblings are you related too?
Kate had three children in Loughlinstown Workhouse, before marrying a John Butler. William Alfred Carr was one of the children born in the Workhouse, and is my great grandfather.
There is no trace of the fathers of the three born in the workhouse, and i'm not sure there is really any way to find out who they were.
I do have more information on Christopher's family going back to the 1600's. Let me know if you want this as i'm happy to share it all with you!
Thanks,
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Hello reigns 1989,
Delighted to have made contact with you. Mary Ellen Carr (Christopher's daughter)was my grandmother. By all accounts Kate your 2nd gt grandmother was a remarkable woman and loved by all the family. I have a huge amount of research in various places (must dust it off and collate) but, have never managed to trace William Carr's family and it would be great to maybe correspond by PM on the background to the Carr family.
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Hi!
My name is Jamie and Kate Carr was my Great Granmother. Her daughter Susan is my own grandmother. I am so interested in the material you have all listed above and I would love to know more about this wonderful woman. I know she gave birth to four children at Loughlinstown Workhouse between 1901 and 1912. James who was born in 1905 only survived a few weeks and is buried in Dean's Grange Cemetery.
Is there any information as to the identity of the father of these children? Hoping to her from you all...
Jamie