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I need help finding information on Mary Kelly. Born in Ireland 1886. immigrated to us in 1902. married William Sinnott in New Jersey in 1906.
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What sort of information are you after so we don't duplicate what you already have
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Any information on her birth her parents or ancestors.
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Irish Genealogy has 146 Mary Kelly born in 1886, there will also be more registered without a first name so you will need more than her name and birth year to find her birth and parents etc.
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It's hard to think of a more common Irish name than Mary Kelly. The 1901 census of Ireland reveals 1,218 of about that name and age - admittedly that's +/- 5 years, but that's the only leeway they allow. Any clue, however slight, say from the immigration? Was she alone (she was rather young), what port did she embark from?
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She was alone, she was 16. She arrived may 29. Ship majestic. Last place of residence leitrim. Port of departure was queenstown
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Leitrim registration districts
http://www.swilson.info/regdistmap.php
Irish Genealogy
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
You can at least find how many Mary Kelly's were born in County Leitrim in the time period, give yourself an idea what your up against but you need to find her marriage to have any real hope of finding her in Ireland.
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Ah, then you might think she was in Leitrim in 1901, just a year earlier, there are only 25 and only 12 of those are plain Mary Kelly (are you sure of that) and many are too young or too old. The one at Buckhill Barr looks promising, but that's a long way off proof.
I'm not sure if I'm allowed to link to that, but search http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie
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No problem linking to the Ireland Census
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01knj/
and than check 1911 to see who has gone missing.
She might not be from Leitrim but it's the only hint so far.
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Have you a record of her marriage? does it state her father/parent's names?
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I thought I'd better not link to a particular entry, in case the OP was convinced that was right. That one not found in 1911 but she could have married or died in Ireland.
Queenstown (Cobh) is a long way from Leitrim but it's the usual departure port.
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Leitrim (forgive me natives) is one of the least populated and obscure Irish counties. A place people move from rather than to. Going from Donegal to Sligo you go through just a few miles of it.
A few years ago one of the joke parties standing for the Dail promised to "send out an expedition to find if Co Leitrim exists"
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Does any US census give any more detail about her - a date or month of birth?
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the Majestic May 29th 1902
Mary Kelly 16 yrs scholar, Leitrim.
She looks to be travelling with Pat and Ellen Curran, both 40 yrs to Philadelphia.
They are travelling to a cousin - feint writing but looks like A Kelly, 526, South .... Philadelphia.
Not sure of initial or number.
Is this her?
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Chris_49 - article on how a Leitrim village advertised for residents this year! LINK (https://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/2017/0902/901727-kiltyclogher/)
Mary Kelly Sinnott is on the 1930 census as aged 45; immigration 1905; married age 22
William Sinnott is shown as a widower in 1940
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No record. I'm trying to find it.
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Allison,
How do you know that Mary who travelled in 1902 on the Majestic is your Mary Sinnott?
Heywood
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William and Mary Sinnott are on the 1920 US census Conneticut, Fairfield, Bridgeport Ward 9
Son John was born in New Jersey in 1907.
William got to the States in either 1900 or 1901 and Mary in 1902. No specific place in Ireland stated for the birth places. William is a janitor in a sewing machine shop.
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There is a "Petition for Naturalization" form online for William John Sinnott which I believe is the correct person being searched for.
He is a janitor at Bridgeford and it is dated Oct 07 1919.
One of the people who signed on William's behalf was a Patrick J Kelly
He names his wife as named Mary; "she was born on the 26 day of March anno Domini 1883 at Stocktown, Ireland" however the word Stocktown is my interpretation and requires clarification
Five children are named
John (Bernard) b. Jan 20 1906 (d. Jan 13 1991)
William (Thomas) b. Sep 11 1907 (d. Dec 1983) bap.Sep 13 1907 Elizabeth N.J.
Francis (Patrick) b. Oct 29 1910 (d. Nov 27 1970) bap.Jan 02 1910 Elizabeth N.J.
James (Joseph) b. Mar 24 1914 (d. Mar 03 1983)
Josephine b. Mar 17 1918
details in brackets are not on this form but from other searches
baptisms show mother's maiden name as Mary KELLY
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Not right one. Sounds right but Mary Kelly came alone and Williams middle name was Thomas
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Not right one. Sounds right but Mary Kelly came alone and Williams middle name was Thomas
Where did Mary settle? Is she the one on the ship's manifest?
Do you think that should be Strokestown? ( but that's Roscommon)
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There are baptism records on line for Francis and William showing Mary Kelly as their mother
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Do you think that should be Strokestown? ( but that's Roscommon)
I also wondered that but not sure
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However some records also show a different last name spelling.
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Not right one. Sounds right but Mary Kelly came alone and Williams middle name was Thomas
If the ones posted are not the right ones, do you have a census for your Sinnotts so we would know where to look?
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However some records also show a different last name spelling.
Spelling variations of names are not unusual at that time due to lack of literacy
Sinnott can be spelt with many variations and also transcribed incorrectly
I would look at the information that you have that is true and proven and start there and keep an open mind about all information you investigate after that
As suggested by heywood - let us know what you have specifically - especially census or civil record information to start off with
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I had one post that was. It was a link to a record from leitrim county and it narrowed it down according to how old she was.
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I had one post that was. It was a link to a record from leitrim county and it narrowed it down according to how old she was.
Where is that post?
I can see this one regarding the Sinnotts which would point to the Sinnotts already mentioned by myluck - the link being Connecticut.
My Sinnott side is from Nicholas Sinnott and his wife Mary formerly bryne. They had a son edward in 1839. Their grandson came over in 1900 and settled in Connecticut.
Can you give us more information please?
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Referring back to the find re possible Strokestown:
There is a 19 yr old Mary Kelly from Strokestown on the Teutonic in 1902 going to Providence R I.
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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/
And the William Sinnott post was also mine
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Yes, I knew it was yours Allison, that's how I found it.
It is difficult because you haven't told us anything more about your William and Mary in US - where they lived, any children etc.
Myluck found one family but you say they aren't yours.
I am fairly sure that 19 yr old Mary Kelly from Leitrim was travelling with others.
Do you have proof that Mary Kelly Sinnott is the 16 yr old girl travelling on the Majestic?
The link you gave just links to the census site.
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I found her record from the status of libert website
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I found her there too ;)
Where did Mary marry William?
Where were their children born and what names do you have?
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1906 new jersey. 3 Jersey. 2 Conn. John William Francis james and Josephine
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1906 new jersey. 3 Jersey. 2 Conn. John William Francis james and Josephine
So that's the one in reply 18 and the Mary who may be born in Strokestown :-\
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MCFC-QPR
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1906 new jersey. 3 Jersey. 2 Conn. John William Francis james and Josephine
The family with these names are on the 1920 (at Boston Street, Bridgeport)and 1930 (at Dover Street, Bridgeport) census returns with their parents William J and Mary; William is on the 1940 census as a widower. He is a janitor. The naturalization papers state that William John SINNOTT lives at Boston Street and is a janitor.
The children's names on the census returns and the naturalization papers match those you state- why are you ruling out the information I have given then?
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Re my reply#17 - I should have checked the next page as there are another three sons listed, William, Francis and James.
Going by Mary's age on this census she was born in 1886.
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This is the family I looked at too.
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First William John is not the one I am looking for. Second you are the one not helping me find information on Mary. Third yes the children may match but I do not need that information.
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OK, have you found a marriage for William and Mary? You get the parents names on US certs.
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First William John is not the one I am looking for. Second you are the one not helping me find information on Mary. Third yes the children may match but I do not need that information.
Sorry you feel I'm not being helpful but if the children match and are named on William John Sinnott's naturalisation petition which states his wife's name, date and place of birth surely this will help locate her especially when a Patrick J Kelly of Bridgeport is also named.
I wont add any more if I'm not being helpful.
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Myluck! - your information looks spot on to me. Can't understand why the OP is discounting it
Isobel
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Thank you Isobel
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Myluck! - your information looks spot on to me. Can't understand why the OP is discounting it
Isobel
I agree, but without the marriage of Mary Kelly and William Sinnott I don't think any progress can be made with finding Mary in Ireland.
Is there a death for her, some American deaths give parents names don't they?
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Can't find any
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Allison,
Do you mean you can't find the marriage? You have the year though? That's a pity. Do you have children's baptisms? The marriage may have taken place at the same church.
As you can see we ask for the information to try to get a better picture of what is being asked.
This is done in good faith and with the intention of helping. As has been pointed out other records can give clues.
I may be wrong but it seems as though you have searched for Mary Kelly, found the one from Leitrim in 1902 and accepted that one without definite confirmation.
It does help people who are searching for you, if you give as much information as possible at the outset. This not only helps to identify the right person but also avoids unnecessary duplication and presentation of information already known by yourself which has resulted in your reply #38.
Heywood
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The year is 1906. Couldn't find where same with children born in New Jersey. All I have is the year for marriage and year for children births
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From google searches it looks like you need to contact the State Archives or somewhere like this
http://publicrecords.onlinesearches.com/New-Jersey-Marriage-Records.htm
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Here is all the mary Sinnott who died in Conn between 1900-1950
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Have you ruled out Mary Synnott died 27 Apr.1923 in Bridgeport? found in Connecticut State database-
http://www.ctatatelibrarydata.org/death-records/
Connecticut deaths list date and place of birth- may just say 'Ireland' in Mary's case. Also names of both parents should be listed (according to informant).
Where did the marriage year of 1906 come from and why do you think New Jersey? Is it because 1st known child was born 1907 in New Jersey or some other reason?
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Hi aghadowey,
I think Mary was alive in 1930 census - Reply #35.
Heywood