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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: Pauline_Hutton on Saturday 26 August 17 12:01 BST (UK)
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I have some old information from the Familysearch site that John Ingamells who married, had kids and died in Lincolnshire, was actually born in Germany in 1740, which I don't wholly trust.
Does anyone know any way of verifying this?
Many thanks
Pauline
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who did he marry ? if it was Elizabeth Burr - one tree has him born Sibsey,Lincoln
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Yes that is the one. I must track down this tree and have a look. I expected him to be from Sibsey, but no sign.
Thanks for your help.
Pauline
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Go to www.geneanet.org
register for free
when accepted
Ingamells
john
search - then edit search and put in country - England
year 1725 -1750
his actual marriage record is on there but you have to pay to see that
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4th one down
http://en.geneanet.org/fonds/individus/?go=1&nom=ingamells&prenom=john&prenom_operateur=or&with_variantes_nom=&with_variantes_nom_conjoint=&with_variantes_prenom=&with_variantes_prenom_conjoint=&size=10
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This tree says John was born 1727 and Elizabeth 1729
http://gw.geneanet.org/csharpe?n=ingamells&oc=1&p=john
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ah - check this out
John Ingamells •Born 13 October 1727 - Mumby Chapel/Bennington, Lincolnshire, England
married Elizabeth Burr 14th may 1761
•Deceased 19 January 1783 - Sibsey, Lincolnshire, England , age at death: 55 years old - so looks like he was born in Mumby Chapel ,Bennington - do you know it ?
this tree gives his parents - do you have them ?
http://gw.geneanet.org/csharpe?lang=en&p=john&n=ingamells
parents William b 1698 and Ann Green
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That is great thanks. Bennington is right next to Sibsey. However Elizabeth was born in 1736 not 1729. I will have a go at geneanet which I had not heard of before. Many thanks again.
Pauline
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Notwithstanding that I am very grateful for the above information, I should like to set the record straight.
I have now had a chance to check the baptism of John Ingoldmells in Mumby. There is no mention of Bennington and the parents were William and Elizabeth, not William and Ann.
I fear I am back to square one.
Pauline
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I'm a direct line descendant of John Ingamells and I spent several years trying to definitively tie him in with his parents. Although Ingamells is a pretty uncommon name around the country, unfortunately there are hundreds in Lincolnshire. However, that being said, there still weren't that many in one area when John was born. Plus the Ingamells tended to have more females than males, and not many of these males survived to have children, so there are fewer possibles than you might think.
There were 3 particular men surnamed Ingamells who married (at Sibsey) to 3 sisters surnamed Burr originally from Algarkirk; so I'm firmly of the opinion that they are closely related. John, William, and Christopher Ingamells who married Elizabeth, Mary, and Ann Burr respectively, fit in with being the sons of William Ingamells and Ann nee Green.
John's baptism in 1727 has his parents as William and Elizabeth Engoldmell, however I think this is an error. Mumby registers appear to be written out at the same time for the whole year; the layout and handwriting is too consistent. An entry for the same day has a mother Elizabeth, and I think it entirely possible that someone took that mother's name mistakenly from the line below when copying from the rough register. There is no other couple of William and Elizabeth Ingamells (whichever spelling) at the time.
William senior is shown as being of "the Chapple" from his burial, and this is Mumby Chapel aka Chapel St Leonards. William and Ann's children were baptised at Hogsthorpe, Mumby, and Addlethorpe; all of which are within a few miles of each other. Addlethorpe is only about a mile from the village of Ingoldmells, which is the source of the surname. Goodness only knows where someone got Germany from, but that's been floating round on Familysearch for donkey's years - so I'd advise you to ignore it.
I can take the Ingamells line back several more generations, and they end up in c1500 in the Great Carlton area which is about 16 miles or so north of Mumby. Remember that the place names on the east coast are often derived from Scandinavian names due to the invasion tendencies of the Vikings etc, so there will be similarities with names in other northern European countries.
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Hi
Great to hear from you. I had worked on the basis that William and Anne were John's parents given the Burr connection. I also noted the preponderance of Christophers around one of whom who I take to be William's father in South Reston. My trail ends there though.
I would appreciate your guidance before that.
Ironically my parents kept a caravan in Ingoldmells from about 1964 right through to the late seventies. My father would often remark as we got close that he had (unknown) relatives in that area. Little did he know.
regards
Pauline
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Yes, Christopher went down through the family - not my branch, as that had Johns and Williams.
To get back from William and Ann Green, you need to look at the Lincolnshire Marriage Bonds and you should find a couple of Christophers in there. The links from generation to generation are not conclusively proven, but once you realise that you are dealing with a very restricted surname group, the chances of there being more than one possible becomes almost minimal.
Basically, all roads seem to lead back to Great Carlton.
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Thanks for that. I have had a quick look but cannot see the links at the moment. I will dig deeper over the coming days.
As a matter of interest, which of John's children do you descend from?
I descend from Elizabeth who married John Hubbert and then their daughter Mary who had a very interesting life.
Regards
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I come down through John who married Mary Sleight, and their son Richard (married to Rebecca Epton) and their son William (married to Hannah Johnson) and their daughter Mary who married Seth Ellingworth and who were my great grandparents.
Re the Lincolnshire Marriage Bonds, they are available on Findmypast. They don't tell you everything as only details about the couple are transcribed, which is actually enough, but there may be more information about who the guarantor was, and that could have been another member of the family. When I can get down to Lincoln again, I'll check out the originals.
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My, you get up early.
Findmypast? I can't have been on that site in the last ten years. Thanks I'll have a go and see what other gaps I may be able to fill. I've missing marriages all over the place.
Regards