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Title: Arthur Bowles, where is he
Post by: oakhambred on Wednesday 23 August 17 12:09 BST (UK)
Hi,
Can anyone help with finding Arthur Bowles, born around 1896 Leicester, and died about the same year.  Son of Harry Bowles, b1872 Bradford Yorkshire and Charlotte M Ayto, b 1873 Leicester.  I believe he was the first born and had a brother born in 1899 Leicester.  Harry and Charlotte were married c1896 Leicester.

Regards

Julie
Title: Re: Arthur Bowles, where is he
Post by: lizdb on Wednesday 23 August 17 12:15 BST (UK)
If he was born and died very soon after, and did not live long enough to be on a census, then the places to "find" him will surely be his birth and death?  And, as you know his parents and his year of birth/death etc, then have you already got these?  What else are you hoping for?
Title: Re: Arthur Bowles, where is he
Post by: nanny jan on Wednesday 23 August 17 12:16 BST (UK)
Harry's marriage from FreeBMD:

Harry Bowles   JunQ  1896  Leicester 7a  486       

On same page:  Charlotte Mortimer Ayto
Title: Re: Arthur Bowles, where is he
Post by: nanny jan on Wednesday 23 August 17 12:19 BST (UK)
1901 has Harry and Charlotte with 3 children;  John (b 1899), Frederick (b 1901) and Grace E (b 1900).

Have you looked for them on 1911 census?  That should show how many children were born and how many had died.


Just checked Grace's birth registration using the new GRO Index;  mother's name shown as Mortimer.
Title: Re: Arthur Bowles, where is he
Post by: oakhambred on Wednesday 23 August 17 12:27 BST (UK)
Hi,
I am looking for my sister who has all the info.  We have been to  Wigston family history centre without luck.  Nothing so far on births and deaths.

Julie
Title: Re: Arthur Bowles, where is he
Post by: trish1120 on Wednesday 23 August 17 12:28 BST (UK)
1 had died by then but cant find a Birth/Death Reg for a Arthur.
Title: Re: Arthur Bowles, where is he
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 23 August 17 12:30 BST (UK)
It would appear from childrens birth registrations that Charlottes maiden surname was Mortimer  ::)

BOWLES, JOHN  HARRY     mmn MORTIMER     
1896  Sept Quarter in LEICESTER  Volume 07A  Page 267


 Deaths Sep qtr 1897   
Bowles    John Harry   age 10 months
Leicester    7a   138
Title: Re: Arthur Bowles, where is he
Post by: trish1120 on Wednesday 23 August 17 12:35 BST (UK)
Just about to post the same info ;D

BOWLES, GRACE  EVELYN, Mothers mn MORTIMER ***
GRO Reference: 1899  D Quarter in LEICESTER  Volume 07A  Page 238
Title: Re: Arthur Bowles, where is he
Post by: oakhambred on Wednesday 23 August 17 12:37 BST (UK)
Rosie, many thanks,

I did wonder about the name, you are vert kind.

Julie
Title: Re: Arthur Bowles, where is he
Post by: trish1120 on Wednesday 23 August 17 12:38 BST (UK)
And the second John;
BOWLES, JOHN, Mothers mn MORTIMER***
GRO Reference: 1898  S Quarter in LEICESTER  Volume 07A  Page 270
Title: Re: Arthur Bowles, where is he
Post by: oakhambred on Wednesday 23 August 17 12:42 BST (UK)
So two children died ?

Julie

Title: Re: Arthur Bowles, where is he
Post by: BumbleB on Wednesday 23 August 17 12:50 BST (UK)
16 May 1896 - St Matthew, Leicester
Harry Bowles, 24, bachelor,  Shoe (occupation) of 157 Curzon Street.  Father:  John, Wool Sorter
Charlotte Mortimer Ayto, 23, spinster, Shoe (occupation) of 157 Curzon Street.  Father:  Thomas, Bricklayer

Witnesses:  Edward Mortimer Ayto (x) and Clara Bowles.
Title: Re: Arthur Bowles, where is he
Post by: trish1120 on Wednesday 23 August 17 12:54 BST (UK)
No 2 children did not die;

We have JOHN HARRY Birth 1896, died 1897

They then named another Son John in 1899 who lived.
Title: Re: Arthur Bowles, where is he
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 23 August 17 13:07 BST (UK)
16 May 1896 - St Matthew, Leicester
Harry Bowles, 24, bachelor,  Shoe (occupation) of 157 Curzon Street.  Father:  John, Wool Sorter
Charlotte Mortimer Ayto, 23, spinster, Shoe (occupation) of 157 Curzon Street.  Father:  Thomas, Bricklayer

Witnesses:  Edward Mortimer Ayto (x) and Clara Bowles.

possibly Edward Mortimores birth registration
Births Mar qtr 1863
AYTO  Edward Mortimore    (no mothers maiden name on GRO index)
Leicester    7a   184
Title: Re: Arthur Bowles, where is he
Post by: trish1120 on Wednesday 23 August 17 13:11 BST (UK)
In case you dont have Harrietts Birth Reg and Mothers maiden name;

AYTO, HARRIOT, ASHER*****
GRO Reference: 1837  S Quarter in GRANTHAM UNION  Volume 14  Page 284

Thomas AYTO, Bachelor, married Hannah ASHER, Spinster, 20 May 1835, St Guthlac, Little Ponton, Lincolnshire
Witnesses, JOHN /ANN Ayto

So looks like Harriet is with her possible Grandfather in 1841 Census i Little Ponton;
John Ayto, 50
Ann Ayto, 20
Mary Ayto, 15
George Ayto, 5
Harriet Ayto, 3***

There is also a possible Marriage for JOHN Ayto to Mary SKIRRET 16 May 1808 same Church.

Likely Parents of Thomas and Grandparents of Harriet
Title: Re: Arthur Bowles, where is he
Post by: trish1120 on Wednesday 23 August 17 13:43 BST (UK)
Hannah Ayto died 1838, GRO Index has her as AYLO age 22
Thomas remarried to Charlotte BUGG 1844
(Marriage is on FreeREG and his Father is John)

GEORGE Ayato christened 14 Oct 1835 Gt Gonerby to THOMAS/HANNAH

1851 Thomas is born c 1809 which fits with Baptism in Grantham 28 Nov 1808 for him to JOHN/MARY
Title: Re: Arthur Bowles, where is he
Post by: willsy on Wednesday 23 August 17 21:16 BST (UK)
Burial at Welford Road

uQ   891
BOWLES   JOHN HARRY   1897   JUL   10   10MTHS   ASH STREET   LEICESTER

but no close burials  or same name in the grave
Title: Re: Arthur Bowles, where is he
Post by: willsy on Wednesday 23 August 17 21:26 BST (UK)
Found this in a marriage set I have, just to add from Trish's find

Grantham RD Parish Haceby
1844   20-May   
Thomas Ayto   father Thos Ayto   
Charlotte Bugg   father John Bugg
Title: Re: Arthur Bowles, where is he
Post by: trish1120 on Thursday 24 August 17 10:05 BST (UK)
 ???

Hi Willsy,
FreeREG has for the 1844 Marriage;
Groom father forename; John**
Brides father forename Thos
Title: Re: Arthur Bowles, where is he
Post by: willsy on Thursday 24 August 17 10:25 BST (UK)
Just dipped in a PDF I have and added it! Normally don't find anything :)