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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: dexter on Friday 18 August 17 05:36 BST (UK)
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Hi I am researching a Julia( Flett Bruton) ,who married Francis Albert Henwood in Melbourne in 1938. I am hoping to find her date of death and also where she is buried.
Regards Dexter.
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Perhaps this is her husband's death - maybe she married again,
although I don't see a marriage in Victoria for her under that name. see below - marriage index in Victoria not on-line after 1942.
Victoria, 1943 #5827
Francis Albert HENWOOD
Parents: Francis HENWOOD, Clara (Allender)
Electoral roll 1949 shows Julia HENWOOD at 148 Thistlewaite St South Melbourne in 1949, the same address as she and Francis in 1943. However they're not always very up-to-date. Also in 1949 there is a Julia HENWOOD listed in Redfern NSW but no way of telling if it's the same person.
Judith
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The Vic bdm website shows that they display online their index for marriages upto 1942, but not more recently than that.
https://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/research-and-family-history/search-your-family-history
What's in the Historical index?
•Births in Victoria from 1853 to 1916
•Marriages in Victoria from 1853 to 1942
•deaths in Victoria from 1853 to 1988
•Church baptisms, marriages and burials in Victoria from 1836 to 1853
What year for her birth? perhaps she is still living?
JM
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Why am I so stupid - have been caught by that before. :-[ :-[ :-[
Thanks JM, Judith
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Hi Judith,
Thank you for the update about N S W she may have gone back as she was born in Balranald N S W, in 1889, This gives me something to work on .
regards Dexter
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Hi Dexter,
Here is death notice for Francis HENWOOD http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article122464536
From ryerson's index http://ryersonindex.org/search.php there is a death for a Julia Sarah HENWOOD who died 18 April 1971 aged 85 late of Redfern.
Is this likely to be her? I had a quick look at death notice and there is no mention of husband but does mention her son Clarence PIKE (deceased).
Ros
adding : from NSW BDM death
1971 Julia Sophia HENWOOD aged 85 years died Marrickville Sydney
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Well I will post the death and funeral notice now while I have them at hand in case they are relevant.
Ros
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Birth
PIKE Clarence W M
19437/1907
Mother Julia S
Father-
At WATERLOO
Death
PIKE Clarence William
20126/1949
Mother Julia Sarah
Father-
At KINGSFORD
Sue
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Noting
Francis Albert HENWOOD is buried alone at Fawkner Mem Park
C of E. 161496
FA-COE*T***3706
21/6/1943
Sue
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Clarence PIKE's death notice http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18126160
and memoriam http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18423785
Ros
adding : Clarence PIKE's WW2 service which has been digitised https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=4469661
I don't think there's any info there to help confirm or otherwise his connection. But there is an interesting exchange about whether 1st wife or 2nd wife (also divorced) should receive his medals and also contains his photos.
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Thank you for all the help and with all the information you have given. I will be able to search further and check with other members of the family .
Regards Dexter.
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I don't think there's any info there to help confirm or otherwise his connection. But there is an interesting exchange about whether 1st wife or 2nd wife (also divorced) should receive his medals and also contains his photos.
As I am sure dexter knows
Julia (nee FLETT) was having children with her husband Robert George BRUTON from 1906/7 when she married (#1262)
Robert died in 1937
It is unlikely she was the mother of Clarence.
Thank you for all the help and with all the information you have given. I will be able to search further and check with other members of the family .
Regards Dexter.
I don't think the connection with Clarence PIKE will help you.
I wonder if you would be able to answer the question posed earlier. Perhaps her parents names too
What year for her birth? perhaps she is still living?
JM
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Thanks Sue :) I'll forget about Clarence
Dexter said Julia was born in Balranald N S W, in 1889,
Ros
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Dexter said Julia was born in Balranald N S W, in 1889,
and her parents were ? as per marriage cert :)
The NSW BDM online index has James and Ann (Fanny) as parents for several children whose births are indexed for Balranald District, but Julia's birth may be mis-recorded ... seems it is not registered at Balranald as Julia Flett or any of the variations displayed on the index for her BRUTON children.
JM
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I wonder about this lass.
SMITH Julia F
15360/1888
Mother Fannie
Father-
BALRANALD
There were a couple more births whose mother may be the same woman
FLETT Mary A J
14651/1886
Father James
Mother Fanny S
At BALRANALD
FLETT William J
6094/1890
Mother Fanny
Father-
At BALRANALD
Sue
The birthplace of Julia as given on the Victorian Index at her marriage to Robert BURTON is simply NSW
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Agh, well, I have not found any James FLETT at Balranald on any of my Electoral Rolls for that era
:) :) :) so Julia SMITH may be worth following ...
Vic BDM certs are full of info, I would expect the Bruton marriage image will be more detailed than 'NSW' ;D
JM
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Here is a Victorian death- ::) ??? :-X
RIDDINHOUGH, Julia
Father FLETT UK
Mother UK
Parkville
Aged 78
1968 #11353
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James FLETT in 1896 at Balranald Police Court fined for not sending his children to school http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article137612694
Ros
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A Fanny Flett death in Victoria, 1st column:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article69671109
Jamjar
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Here is a Victorian death- ::) ??? :-X
RIDDINHOUGH, Julia
Father FLETT UK
Mother UK
Parkville
Aged 78
1968 #11353
As it turns out, this is the CORRECT death for the woman in question.
She is buried at Fawkner Memorial Park with two of her children.
387450
RIDDIHOUGH Julia
Aged 78 Y
Service Date 27/05/1968
Plot Number 163175
Location FA-COE*T***5817
Church Of England
Sue
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Details of the other burials which are at the same location as above. Fawkner Memorial Park
387449
BRUTON Walter G
Aged 43 Years
Service Date 02/05/1955
387451
BRYCE Doris Frances Aileen
Aged 28 Y
Service Date 23/03/1942
Deaths-
Walter George BRUTON
At Victoria
Age 43
Father Georg Robert
Mother Julia FLETT
Year 1955
Reg 4191
Doris Frances Aileen BRYCE
Age 28
At South Melbourne
Father Robt Geo BRUNTON (sic)
Mother Julia FLETT HENWOOD
Reg1942
Reg 2730
Sue
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Good find Sue :)
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WW3 enlistment
BRYCE Thomas Findlay : Service Number - VX80603 : Date of birth - 04 Jul 1907 : Place of birth - METHIL SCOTLAND : Place of enlistment - CAULFIELD VIC : Next of Kin - HENWOOD JULIA
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A Fanny Flett death in Victoria, 1st column:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article69671109
Jamjar
This death looks like a strong possibility too.
At Williamstown Cemetery
Plot Number480732
Location WI-CE*O*9.5**5
Church of England
FLETT Fanny
Aged 64 Y
Service Date28/09/1911
At the same location is James Ford FLETT
Aged 57 Y
Service Date 13/04/1934
Sue
ADDING the death
Fanny FLETT
Age 64
At Newport
Father GYLES Alf
Mother Fanny BADCOCK
Year 1911
REG 10369
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Death notice for James Ford FLETT 1934 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article203842539
Ros
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Here is the marriage of the Williamstown Fanny and George FLETT who were the parents of Jame Ford FLETT (buried with his mother)
No Balranald or NSW connection. Looking a less likely prospect ::)
Marriage
George FLETT
Fanny GYLES
Year 1875
Reg 3246
Sue
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The spelling of the surname on the death record is incorrect, but correct on the burial record.
Electoral Roll Victoria.
1949,1954, 1963, 1967.
160 Evans Street, Port Melbourne
RIDDIHOUGH, Julia. Hd
RIDDIHOUGH, William. Railway Employee
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William's death and burial:
19831 1970 RIDDIHOUGH William Father RIDDIHOUGH Mother Unknown
Place of birth: Bendigo
Place of death: Port Melbourne Age 81
RIDDIHOUGH William Fawkner Memorial Park New Lawn Area East FA-NLA*A*M**29 6-8-1970
Service date: 6-8-1970
Buried with:
PHAYER Bessie Mary
Date of Birth: 9-6-1914
Date of Death: 26-6-2015
Age: 101
Service Date: 10-7-2015
Bessie mentioned here, but no indication of relationship:
http://www.gazette.vic.gov.au/gazette/Gazettes2015/GG2015G051.pdf
PHAYER Bess Death notice 26-6-2015 Death 101 Herald Sun (Melbourne) 29-6-2015
" PHAYER. Bess. Died suddenly on June 26, 2015 Aged 101 Loving wife of Teddy (dec. ), sister in-law to Dulcie and Leslie (dec. )..."
" PHAYER. A Funeral Mass for the Repose of the Soul of Bessie Mary Phayer will be offered at St Mary's Catholic Church, 1 Rossmoyne Street, Thornbury, on FRIDAY (July 10, 2015) commencing at 10.30 a. m. Private Burial Vigil Prayers will be offered at the above Church, on THURSDAY EVENING (July 9, 2015) at 7.30 p. m."
Jamjar
Added: Bessie's mother was a Riddough, so not related to Julia. Possibly the niece/cousin of William?
1914 16040 THOMAS Bessie Mary father Robert George and mother Mary (Riddihough)
I believe that she was the second wife of Edward Alwyn Phayer whose wife Ada died in 1956.
Jamjar
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Children of Julia and Robert Bruton:
1907 2823 BRUTON Robt Chas father Robt Geo and mother Julia (Flett)
1909 26878 BRUTON Dulcie Rita May father Robt Geo and mother Julia (Flatt)
1911 24188 BRUTON Walter George father Robert George and mother Julia (Flitt)
1913 26594 BRUTON Doris Frances Robt Geo Julia (Fleth)
Marriages:
1928 8360 BRUTON Dulcie Rita to COX Regd Joseph Francis
1934 8932 BRUTON Doris Fran Eileen to BRYCE Thos Findley
Deaths:
1907 12865 BRUTON Robt Chas parents Bruton Robt Geo and Julia (Flett) aged 1
1926 16049 BRUTON Coralie Jean parents BRUTON Robert George and Julia (Flett) aged 3
1942 2730 BRYCE Doris Frances Aileen parents BRUNTON Robert George and Julia Flett (Henwood)
1981 18384 BRYCE Thomas Findlay parents BRYCE James and Margaret (Findlay) aged 73 place of death Undera
1955 4191 BRUTON Walter George parents BRUTON Robert George and Julia (Flett) aged 43
1985 28393 MEGNA Dulcie Rita parents BRUTON Robert George and Julia (Flett) aged 74
MEGNA Dulcie Rita Preston Cemetery Area U PR-U****58 Interment 14-11-1985
MEGNA Arthur 2-3-1909 5-12-1997 Preston Cemetery Area U PR-U****58 Interment 10-12-1997 age 87
1960 12909 COX Reginald Francis Joseph parents COX Joseph and Ella Rose (Turner) aged 54
COX Reginald F J Fawkner Memorial Park Protestant FA-PRT*B***3941 Interment 3-10-1960
Buried with his sister: REGAN Joyce A M aged 53 4-5-1967
1967 10298 REGAN Joyce Alma Mary parents COX Joseph and Ella Rose (Turner)
Children of Dulcie and Reginald - deaths:
1930 5028 COX Reginald Walter parents COX Reginald Joseph Francis and Dulcie Rita May (Bruton) aged 3
Buried Echuca cemetery Cox Reginald Walter 3 days 1930
1968 12247 COX Leslie Robert parents COX Reginald Joseph and Rita Dulcie May (Bruton) aged 32
COX Leslie Robert Preston Cemetery Area P PR-P****12925 Interment 29-9-1967
Buried with: H Alexander Spalding 2-9-1975
1975 23561 SPALDING Hector Alexander parents SPALDING Peter Mackintock and Annie Augusta (Patsell) aged 63
If this is father Robert's death, then there is a report of the accident that brought about his death:
1937 19100 BRUTON Robert George parents BRUTON George Henry Bendigo mother unknown
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/11124255?searchTerm=%22robert%20Bruton%22&searchLimits=sortby=dateAsc
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I wonder about this lass.
SMITH Julia F
15360/1888
Mother Fannie
Father-
BALRANALD
There were a couple more births whose mother may be the same woman
FLETT Mary A J
14651/1886
Father James
Mother Fanny S
At BALRANALD
FLETT William J
6094/1890
Mother Fanny
Father-
At BALRANALD
Sue
The birthplace of Julia as given on the Victorian Index at her marriage to Robert BURTON is simply NSW
I feel persuaded that the above birth for Julia is probably correct.
Birth
SMITH, Walter
Father SMITH
Mother Fanny
Balranald
1891/6100
Deaths
HARVEY, Heather May
Father James FLETT
Mother Frances Sarah SMITH
Aged 58
1951/18557
Echuca
FLETT, Walter
Father James
Mother Frances SMITH
Aged 50
1942/27358
Echuca
There was not a marriage between Fanny SMITH and James FLETT.
Sue
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I wonder about this lass.
SMITH Julia F
15360/1888
Mother Fannie
Father-
BALRANALD
There were a couple more births whose mother may be the same woman
FLETT Mary A J
14651/1886
Father James
Mother Fanny S
At BALRANALD
FLETT William J
6094/1890
Mother Fanny
Father-
At BALRANALD
Sue
The birthplace of Julia as given on the Victorian Index at her marriage to Robert BURTON is simply NSW
I feel persuaded that the above birth for Julia is probably correct.
Birth
SMITH, Walter
Father SMITH
Mother Fanny
Balranald
1891/6100
Deaths
HARVEY, Heather May
Father James FLETT
Mother Frances Sarah SMITH
Aged 58
1951/18557
Echuca
FLETT, Walter
Father James
Mother Frances SMITH
Aged 50
1942/27358
Echuca
There was not a marriage between Fanny SMITH and James FLETT.
Sue
Sounds right. Dulcie Rita was born in Echuca.
Jamjar
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Informant for the nice newspaper obituary seems a bit confused.
Obituary for Heather HARVEY states she was the daughter of "Mr and Mrs James SMITH of Balranald”
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/122447069
Sue
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Flett buried at Echuca Cemetery:
Flett Agnes 37 1929 wife of Walter: 1916 3214 FLETT Walter to HUDSON Agnes
Flett Harold Kenneth 14 1936
Flett Walter 50 1942
Flett James John 64 1950
Flett Margaret Jane 77 1959 wife of Walter: 1931 200 FLETT Walter to HOPPER Margt Jane
Flett Mary Ann 74 1960 wife of James John: 1918 2964 FLETT James to Mary Kennedy
Flett Patricia Mary 78 2005
Flett Raymond George 84 2008
Harvey Heather May 58 1951
Jamjar
Added: 1950 18488 FLETT James John parents FLETT James John and Frances Sarah (Smith)
Death and funeral notices: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article116860130
Obit: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article116860301
In memorium: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article117131226
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There is an interesting tree re: Frances Sarah Smith and her other children to Frederick Henry Sylvester.
Do an Internet search for frances sarah smith baranald and you should see Emily Grace Sylvester.
Jamjar