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Title: John curran
Post by: lin46 on Friday 11 August 17 19:00 BST (UK)
Hello can anyone please help. John curran married Kate burke 1918 Ashton under Lyne Lancashire. I have trouble going back from John don't know much about him. I know he was brought up by his father don't know mother was told he was born in Ireland fathers name John great help. Think he worked in the salt mines. He was buried in Ashton u Lyne 1937 age 37 ? Any help would be great thank you.
Title: Re: John curran
Post by: heatherjulie on Friday 11 August 17 20:06 BST (UK)
What was the address on the marriage certificate?
Title: Re: John curran
Post by: willsy on Friday 11 August 17 20:10 BST (UK)
Is this your John?

Lancs OPC

Baptism: 19 Aug 1923 St Mary, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England
Joannes Curran - [Child] of Joannes Curran & Catherina (formerly Burke)
    Born: 25 Jul 1920
    Abode: 72 Crickets Lane
    Godparents: Joanna Porter; Joannes Bailey
    Confirmed At : In Ecc. S. Annae apud Ashton-u -Lyne ab Ep. Salf.
    Date Confirmed: Oct 20th 1929
    Baptised by: J. E. Feeney
    Register: Baptisms 1922 - 1943, Entry 16
    Source: Original Register
Title: Re: John curran
Post by: willsy on Friday 11 August 17 20:22 BST (UK)
There are 5 baptisms for this couple which also gives addresses and godparents

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html
Title: Re: John curran
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Friday 11 August 17 21:27 BST (UK)
there's a potential for John on 1911 living very near the address on the baptisms
Title: Re: John curran
Post by: Radcliff on Friday 11 August 17 21:31 BST (UK)
GRO Index
John Curran
birth registered Ashton Under Lyne
1891
mother Ackley
Title: Re: John curran
Post by: Radcliff on Friday 11 August 17 21:43 BST (UK)
Mary Ellen Ackley married John Curran in Oldham in June 1885
these are possible a candidate for you to research
Title: Re: John curran
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Friday 11 August 17 21:57 BST (UK)
This would be that family in 1891in Droylsden [Ashton district]. all b Oldham except where shown. Births for James and David with mmn Ackley

John Curran    30 - b Ireland.  ?? hand cotton
W E Curran    26  [image shows M E]
James Curran    5
Annie Curran    4
David Curran    2

RG12, 3283,  6, 6
Title: Re: John curran
Post by: willsy on Friday 11 August 17 22:17 BST (UK)
Just wondering if the military records of David Curran is the same family

Birth 1890 in the Hussars no.3696
attested 4 Jan 1909

Address for mother is 27 Henshaw Street Oldham Lanes
also ther younger brother John and older sister Annie McLean

there is a marriage 1907 Oldham for Annie Curran
Title: Re: John curran
Post by: Radcliff on Friday 11 August 17 23:49 BST (UK)
Just in case you haven't found them in  1901
2 Tolson St,Oldham
John Curran,aged 38,born Ireland,Mill manager
Mary E Curran,aged 36 born Manchester
James aged 17,card room jobber,born Oldham
Annie aged 16,born Saddleworth
David aged 12,born Oldham
John aged,born Oldham
Title: Re: John curran
Post by: lin46 on Sunday 13 August 17 18:20 BST (UK)
Is this your John? Yes this is him 😊

Lancs OPC

Baptism: 19 Aug 1923 St Mary, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England
Joannes Curran - [Child] of Joannes Curran & Catherina (formerly Burke)
    Born: 25 Jul 1920
    Abode: 72 Crickets Lane
    Godparents: Joanna Porter; Joannes Bailey
    Confirmed At : In Ecc. S. Annae apud Ashton-u -Lyne ab Ep. Salf.
    Date Confirmed: Oct 20th 1929
    Baptised by: J. E. Feeney
    Register: Baptisms 1922 - 1943, Entry 16
    Source: Original Register
Title: Re: John curran
Post by: lin46 on Monday 14 August 17 08:56 BST (UK)
Thank you everyone for your help. I am going for the marriage cert of John and Kate to find out more information. I know Kate is on the 1939 census widowed John is buried at Dukinfield 1937 age 37 but not sure his date of birth is right.

 Last census I can find him on he's a boarder at 72 crickets lane Ashton under lyne. Can anyone find a death burial for John's father and mother John and Mary Ellen Curran? Thank you.
Title: Re: John curran
Post by: heywood on Monday 14 August 17 12:53 BST (UK)
Would this be your John's death:

June 1937   Stockport
John Curran 47 yrs

This would fit with the censuses.
Title: Re: John curran
Post by: lin46 on Tuesday 15 August 17 13:02 BST (UK)
Hi I have just got the marriage cert of John and Kate 19th Oct 1918 John Curran 28 years Kate Burke 25 years address John 183 Cavendish st Ashton u lyne Kate 38 cotton st Ashton under lyne. Kate's father deceased William bricklayer. John's  father John silk hat finisher. Deceased .
Title: Re: John curran
Post by: lin46 on Friday 18 August 17 08:13 BST (UK)
Weird ::)found a John curran 1901 census Ashton under lyne with mother jane francis curran birth date wrong but the family are from london.
 I looked back to this family 1891 census father john patrick curran silk hat finisher can anyone help thanks. John patrick not on 1901 census says jane is widowed ?
Title: Re: John curran
Post by: heywood on Friday 18 August 17 08:30 BST (UK)
1901 3784/155/42

John Curran has been transcribed as 18 yrs but census shows 8 yrs b Leicester.

Heywood
Title: Re: John curran
Post by: heywood on Friday 18 August 17 08:39 BST (UK)
1891 2534/139
13 Abbey Street Leicester

John Patrick Curran 49 yrs Silk Hatter b Bristol
Frances Jane Curran   35 yrs b London
James Curran 11 yrs
Thomas Curran   10 yrs
Albert Curran 8 yrs
Elizabeth Curran 4 yrs
Daniel Curran 2 yrs b Leicester

Other children b London

Plus several lodgers - house annotated as a Registered Lodging House
Title: Re: John curran
Post by: lin46 on Friday 18 August 17 11:30 BST (UK)
 ::) cant find a death for john patrick curran but says jane is widowed in 1901 census Ashton under lyne. Cant find birth for John or a marraige for jane francis curran and john patrick curran? Any help would be great thank you. ;D
Title: Re: John curran
Post by: heywood on Friday 18 August 17 11:49 BST (UK)
This looks like the older John Curran


John Curran Bristol December 1850 vol 11 page 151 or 157

1861 2225/155/21
Warwick
John Curran 35 yrs
Elizabeth Curran 32 yrs
John Curran 10 yrs
James Curran 3 yrs

This John is a hatter. I think Elizabeth is Keefe.

I can't see young John in 1871.

I think births show that Jane Frances might be Bridgehouse. You might want to check that with GRO indexes.
Title: Re: John curran
Post by: willsy on Friday 18 August 17 21:07 BST (UK)
From some non conformist records I have

Leicester, St. Patrick   Roman Catholic
Daniel Curran
Birth 14-Feb   1889      
Bap 07-Apr   1889      John   Jane   mmn Williamson                  

Patrick John Curran   
Birth 07-Apr   1891   
Bap 19-Apr   1891      John   Jane   mmn Bridgehouse   

Found this marriage online.....

John Curran
Birth Date    1851
Age    26
Spouse's Name    France Jane Brighouse
Spouse's Birth Date    1855
Spouse's Age    22
Event Date    04 Jun 1877
Event Place    St. Thomas, Red Bank, Lancashire, England
Father's Name    John Curran
Spouse's Father's Name    James Brighouse

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-X393-34T?i=72&cc=1788853      

John ...hatter father John....hatter
both addresses 72 Bank Street   
Title: Re: John curran
Post by: willsy on Friday 18 August 17 21:29 BST (UK)
GRO has

CURRAN, DANIEL        BRIDGHOUSE      
GRO Reference: 1889  M Quarter in Lei. 7A/209

Can't find John either ???
Title: Re: John curran
Post by: willsy on Friday 18 August 17 21:42 BST (UK)
Found a piece in the paper about the family

Leicester Chronicle 08 July 1893

Title: Re: John curran
Post by: willsy on Friday 18 August 17 22:03 BST (UK)
There are workhouse admission records that are held at Leicester Records Office, got some refs for the family

05-Jul   1893   
Curran   Jane      Hat Trimmer   St. Margaret's      Age 38      
Roman Catholic   
Spouse in Gaol   4 children at Cottage Homes

02-Sep   1892   
Curran   John         St. Margaret's      Age 1   
Mother Jane Curran   Roman Catholic   With Parent   
Also admissions with Jane
20-Sep   1892   
05-Jul   1893   
19-Jul   1893


19-Jul   1893   Curran   
John      Hatter   St. Margaret's      Age 51      
Roman Catholic   Kin in the House   Wife & 6 children in the House

07-Jan   1889   
Curran   Thomas         St. Margaret's      Age 6   
Mother Jane Curran   Roman Catholic   
Also admisions with Jane
02-Sep   1892   
20-Sep   1892
21-Oct   1892   
09-Mar   1893   
21-Jul   1893   from Cottage homes

there are lots of discharge dates, own request or taken by parents
children Alfred Daniel Elizabeth James John Thomas





Title: Re: John curran
Post by: willsy on Friday 18 August 17 22:29 BST (UK)
1881 in Leicester

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27J-4YKJ

John Curron    31    Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Jane Curron    26    London, London, Middlesex, England
John Curron    4    Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Thos Curron    0    London, London, Middlesex, England
Title: Re: John curran
Post by: willsy on Friday 18 August 17 23:07 BST (UK)
I looked at the GRO

CURRAN, JOHN  JAMES      MMN BRIDGHOUSE        
1877  S Quarter in BIRMINGHAM   6D/215

CURRAN, JAMES        MMN BRIDGEHOUSE      
1881  M Quarter in ST SAVIOUR SURREY 1D/53

CURRAN, ELIZABETH        MMN BRIDGEHOUSE      
1886  S Quarter in WANDSWORTH  1D/727

Title: Re: John curran
Post by: lin46 on Saturday 19 August 17 12:36 BST (UK)
Thank you everyone its coming together now. Still cant find a death for john curran the father? Last census he was on 1891. Then 1901 census Jane on with children Ashton under lyne? Then found a death for Jane i think will have to chase up burial records to see if its her 1903. Wonder how and why they ended up in Ashton u Lyne. ???
Title: Re: John curran
Post by: lin46 on Saturday 19 August 17 19:59 BST (UK)
There are workhouse admission records that are held at Leicester Records Office, got some refs for the family

05-Jul   1893   
Curran   Jane      Hat Trimmer   St. Margaret's      Age 38      
Roman Catholic   
Spouse in Gaol   4 children at Cottage Homes

02-Sep   1892   
Curran   John         St. Margaret's      Age 1   
Mother Jane Curran   Roman Catholic   With Parent   
Also admissions with Jane
20-Sep   1892   
05-Jul   1893   
19-Jul   1893


19-Jul   1893   Curran   
John      Hatter   St. Margaret's      Age 51      
Roman Catholic   Kin in the House   Wife & 6 children in the House

07-Jan   1889   
Curran   Thomas         St. Margaret's      Age 6   
Mother Jane Curran   Roman Catholic   
Also admisions with Jane
02-Sep   1892   
20-Sep   1892
21-Oct   1892   
09-Mar   1893   
21-Jul   1893   from Cottage homes

there are lots of discharge dates, own request or taken by parents
children Alfred Daniel Elizabeth James John Thomas
what does the entry mean on 5th july 1893 spouse in Gaol ?
Title: Re: John curran
Post by: heywood on Saturday 19 August 17 20:12 BST (UK)
It means that her spouse, her husband,  John was in jail when she was admitted to the workhouse and the children were in the homes.
Title: Re: John curran
Post by: lin46 on Saturday 19 August 17 21:00 BST (UK)
Sorry i realized after i posted going through everything. Trying to find a death of john now. He went to prison for 14 days of hard labour in 1893. Jane was widowed in 1901 living in Ashton under lyne. Cant find a death of him yet. Think found a possible death for jane 1903. Nothing for John yet.
Title: Re: John curran
Post by: heywood on Saturday 19 August 17 21:32 BST (UK)
Yes that looks like Jane. Unfortunately her burial is not in the online Tameside burial records.
I can't see a likely death for John. I suppose he could be living any place if they split up.
Title: Re: John curran
Post by: heywood on Sunday 20 August 17 09:56 BST (UK)
Thank you everyone its coming together now. Still cant find a death for john curran the father? Last census he was on 1891. Then 1901 census Jane on with children Ashton under lyne? Then found a death for Jane i think will have to chase up burial records to see if its her 1903. Wonder how and why they ended up in Ashton u Lyne. ???

The marriage posted by willsy shows Frances Jane's father as James, a Hatter.

1861 331/30/31 shows him to be born Ashton under Lyne with wife Barbara. The family are in Southwark.

There are pre 1861 Workhouse records for Barbara and the children and later ones for Barbara- all Southwark and Barbara dies in Southwark in 1875.

James is in Manchester in 1871 with a new wife.
1881 he is in the workhouse in Bury.
1891 he is in the workhouse in Stockport and dies a few years later.



Title: Re: John curran
Post by: lin46 on Sunday 20 August 17 11:47 BST (UK)
Found a piece in the paper about the family

Leicester Chronicle 08 July 1893
can you put this  on so i can print the full newspaper artical off. Thank you for your help.  :)
Title: Re: John curran
Post by: lin46 on Sunday 20 August 17 12:13 BST (UK)
Found a death john curran prestwich 1901? Dont know if this is him or not. Birth about 1850?
Title: Re: John curran
Post by: willsy on Sunday 20 August 17 22:49 BST (UK)
The newspaper article

....Found a piece in the paper about the family

Leicester Chronicle 08 July 1893

is the one I attached below the comment in reply 21 :)
Title: Re: John curran
Post by: heywood on Monday 21 August 17 07:32 BST (UK)
Found a death john curran prestwich 1901? Dont know if this is him or not. Birth about 1850?

I don't think so. That one is probably the one in Crumpsall workhouse. 1901 shows two Johns with similar years of birth in Manchester but neither have the right occupation or birthplace.
Title: Re: John curran
Post by: lin46 on Monday 21 August 17 08:21 BST (UK)
 ::) where did John go after prison? Jane in manchester in 1901 widowed? Did he die in prison or did he run off and re marry?  ??? Will carry on searching . Thank you everyone for your help.
Title: Re: John curran
Post by: lin46 on Sunday 27 August 17 11:39 BST (UK)
Looked up the death for Jane Curran 1903 Jane Curran age 50 union workhouse ? Not sure if this is her yet. Still looking for John curran death.