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Hello can anyone please help. John curran married Kate burke 1918 Ashton under Lyne Lancashire. I have trouble going back from John don't know much about him. I know he was brought up by his father don't know mother was told he was born in Ireland fathers name John great help. Think he worked in the salt mines. He was buried in Ashton u Lyne 1937 age 37 ? Any help would be great thank you.
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What was the address on the marriage certificate?
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Is this your John?
Lancs OPC
Baptism: 19 Aug 1923 St Mary, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England
Joannes Curran - [Child] of Joannes Curran & Catherina (formerly Burke)
Born: 25 Jul 1920
Abode: 72 Crickets Lane
Godparents: Joanna Porter; Joannes Bailey
Confirmed At : In Ecc. S. Annae apud Ashton-u -Lyne ab Ep. Salf.
Date Confirmed: Oct 20th 1929
Baptised by: J. E. Feeney
Register: Baptisms 1922 - 1943, Entry 16
Source: Original Register
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There are 5 baptisms for this couple which also gives addresses and godparents
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html
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there's a potential for John on 1911 living very near the address on the baptisms
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GRO Index
John Curran
birth registered Ashton Under Lyne
1891
mother Ackley
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Mary Ellen Ackley married John Curran in Oldham in June 1885
these are possible a candidate for you to research
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This would be that family in 1891in Droylsden [Ashton district]. all b Oldham except where shown. Births for James and David with mmn Ackley
John Curran 30 - b Ireland. ?? hand cotton
W E Curran 26 [image shows M E]
James Curran 5
Annie Curran 4
David Curran 2
RG12, 3283, 6, 6
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Just wondering if the military records of David Curran is the same family
Birth 1890 in the Hussars no.3696
attested 4 Jan 1909
Address for mother is 27 Henshaw Street Oldham Lanes
also ther younger brother John and older sister Annie McLean
there is a marriage 1907 Oldham for Annie Curran
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Just in case you haven't found them in 1901
2 Tolson St,Oldham
John Curran,aged 38,born Ireland,Mill manager
Mary E Curran,aged 36 born Manchester
James aged 17,card room jobber,born Oldham
Annie aged 16,born Saddleworth
David aged 12,born Oldham
John aged,born Oldham
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Is this your John? Yes this is him 😊
Lancs OPC
Baptism: 19 Aug 1923 St Mary, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England
Joannes Curran - [Child] of Joannes Curran & Catherina (formerly Burke)
Born: 25 Jul 1920
Abode: 72 Crickets Lane
Godparents: Joanna Porter; Joannes Bailey
Confirmed At : In Ecc. S. Annae apud Ashton-u -Lyne ab Ep. Salf.
Date Confirmed: Oct 20th 1929
Baptised by: J. E. Feeney
Register: Baptisms 1922 - 1943, Entry 16
Source: Original Register
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Thank you everyone for your help. I am going for the marriage cert of John and Kate to find out more information. I know Kate is on the 1939 census widowed John is buried at Dukinfield 1937 age 37 but not sure his date of birth is right.
Last census I can find him on he's a boarder at 72 crickets lane Ashton under lyne. Can anyone find a death burial for John's father and mother John and Mary Ellen Curran? Thank you.
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Would this be your John's death:
June 1937 Stockport
John Curran 47 yrs
This would fit with the censuses.
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Hi I have just got the marriage cert of John and Kate 19th Oct 1918 John Curran 28 years Kate Burke 25 years address John 183 Cavendish st Ashton u lyne Kate 38 cotton st Ashton under lyne. Kate's father deceased William bricklayer. John's father John silk hat finisher. Deceased .
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Weird ::)found a John curran 1901 census Ashton under lyne with mother jane francis curran birth date wrong but the family are from london.
I looked back to this family 1891 census father john patrick curran silk hat finisher can anyone help thanks. John patrick not on 1901 census says jane is widowed ?
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1901 3784/155/42
John Curran has been transcribed as 18 yrs but census shows 8 yrs b Leicester.
Heywood
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1891 2534/139
13 Abbey Street Leicester
John Patrick Curran 49 yrs Silk Hatter b Bristol
Frances Jane Curran 35 yrs b London
James Curran 11 yrs
Thomas Curran 10 yrs
Albert Curran 8 yrs
Elizabeth Curran 4 yrs
Daniel Curran 2 yrs b Leicester
Other children b London
Plus several lodgers - house annotated as a Registered Lodging House
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::) cant find a death for john patrick curran but says jane is widowed in 1901 census Ashton under lyne. Cant find birth for John or a marraige for jane francis curran and john patrick curran? Any help would be great thank you. ;D
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This looks like the older John Curran
John Curran Bristol December 1850 vol 11 page 151 or 157
1861 2225/155/21
Warwick
John Curran 35 yrs
Elizabeth Curran 32 yrs
John Curran 10 yrs
James Curran 3 yrs
This John is a hatter. I think Elizabeth is Keefe.
I can't see young John in 1871.
I think births show that Jane Frances might be Bridgehouse. You might want to check that with GRO indexes.
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From some non conformist records I have
Leicester, St. Patrick Roman Catholic
Daniel Curran
Birth 14-Feb 1889
Bap 07-Apr 1889 John Jane mmn Williamson
Patrick John Curran
Birth 07-Apr 1891
Bap 19-Apr 1891 John Jane mmn Bridgehouse
Found this marriage online.....
John Curran
Birth Date 1851
Age 26
Spouse's Name France Jane Brighouse
Spouse's Birth Date 1855
Spouse's Age 22
Event Date 04 Jun 1877
Event Place St. Thomas, Red Bank, Lancashire, England
Father's Name John Curran
Spouse's Father's Name James Brighouse
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-X393-34T?i=72&cc=1788853
John ...hatter father John....hatter
both addresses 72 Bank Street
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GRO has
CURRAN, DANIEL BRIDGHOUSE
GRO Reference: 1889 M Quarter in Lei. 7A/209
Can't find John either ???
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Found a piece in the paper about the family
Leicester Chronicle 08 July 1893
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There are workhouse admission records that are held at Leicester Records Office, got some refs for the family
05-Jul 1893
Curran Jane Hat Trimmer St. Margaret's Age 38
Roman Catholic
Spouse in Gaol 4 children at Cottage Homes
02-Sep 1892
Curran John St. Margaret's Age 1
Mother Jane Curran Roman Catholic With Parent
Also admissions with Jane
20-Sep 1892
05-Jul 1893
19-Jul 1893
19-Jul 1893 Curran
John Hatter St. Margaret's Age 51
Roman Catholic Kin in the House Wife & 6 children in the House
07-Jan 1889
Curran Thomas St. Margaret's Age 6
Mother Jane Curran Roman Catholic
Also admisions with Jane
02-Sep 1892
20-Sep 1892
21-Oct 1892
09-Mar 1893
21-Jul 1893 from Cottage homes
there are lots of discharge dates, own request or taken by parents
children Alfred Daniel Elizabeth James John Thomas
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1881 in Leicester
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27J-4YKJ
John Curron 31 Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Jane Curron 26 London, London, Middlesex, England
John Curron 4 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Thos Curron 0 London, London, Middlesex, England
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I looked at the GRO
CURRAN, JOHN JAMES MMN BRIDGHOUSE
1877 S Quarter in BIRMINGHAM 6D/215
CURRAN, JAMES MMN BRIDGEHOUSE
1881 M Quarter in ST SAVIOUR SURREY 1D/53
CURRAN, ELIZABETH MMN BRIDGEHOUSE
1886 S Quarter in WANDSWORTH 1D/727
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Thank you everyone its coming together now. Still cant find a death for john curran the father? Last census he was on 1891. Then 1901 census Jane on with children Ashton under lyne? Then found a death for Jane i think will have to chase up burial records to see if its her 1903. Wonder how and why they ended up in Ashton u Lyne. ???
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There are workhouse admission records that are held at Leicester Records Office, got some refs for the family
05-Jul 1893
Curran Jane Hat Trimmer St. Margaret's Age 38
Roman Catholic
Spouse in Gaol 4 children at Cottage Homes
02-Sep 1892
Curran John St. Margaret's Age 1
Mother Jane Curran Roman Catholic With Parent
Also admissions with Jane
20-Sep 1892
05-Jul 1893
19-Jul 1893
19-Jul 1893 Curran
John Hatter St. Margaret's Age 51
Roman Catholic Kin in the House Wife & 6 children in the House
07-Jan 1889
Curran Thomas St. Margaret's Age 6
Mother Jane Curran Roman Catholic
Also admisions with Jane
02-Sep 1892
20-Sep 1892
21-Oct 1892
09-Mar 1893
21-Jul 1893 from Cottage homes
there are lots of discharge dates, own request or taken by parents
children Alfred Daniel Elizabeth James John Thomas
what does the entry mean on 5th july 1893 spouse in Gaol ?
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It means that her spouse, her husband, John was in jail when she was admitted to the workhouse and the children were in the homes.
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Sorry i realized after i posted going through everything. Trying to find a death of john now. He went to prison for 14 days of hard labour in 1893. Jane was widowed in 1901 living in Ashton under lyne. Cant find a death of him yet. Think found a possible death for jane 1903. Nothing for John yet.
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Yes that looks like Jane. Unfortunately her burial is not in the online Tameside burial records.
I can't see a likely death for John. I suppose he could be living any place if they split up.
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Thank you everyone its coming together now. Still cant find a death for john curran the father? Last census he was on 1891. Then 1901 census Jane on with children Ashton under lyne? Then found a death for Jane i think will have to chase up burial records to see if its her 1903. Wonder how and why they ended up in Ashton u Lyne. ???
The marriage posted by willsy shows Frances Jane's father as James, a Hatter.
1861 331/30/31 shows him to be born Ashton under Lyne with wife Barbara. The family are in Southwark.
There are pre 1861 Workhouse records for Barbara and the children and later ones for Barbara- all Southwark and Barbara dies in Southwark in 1875.
James is in Manchester in 1871 with a new wife.
1881 he is in the workhouse in Bury.
1891 he is in the workhouse in Stockport and dies a few years later.
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Found a piece in the paper about the family
Leicester Chronicle 08 July 1893
can you put this on so i can print the full newspaper artical off. Thank you for your help. :)
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Found a death john curran prestwich 1901? Dont know if this is him or not. Birth about 1850?
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The newspaper article
....Found a piece in the paper about the family
Leicester Chronicle 08 July 1893
is the one I attached below the comment in reply 21 :)
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Found a death john curran prestwich 1901? Dont know if this is him or not. Birth about 1850?
I don't think so. That one is probably the one in Crumpsall workhouse. 1901 shows two Johns with similar years of birth in Manchester but neither have the right occupation or birthplace.
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::) where did John go after prison? Jane in manchester in 1901 widowed? Did he die in prison or did he run off and re marry? ??? Will carry on searching . Thank you everyone for your help.
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Looked up the death for Jane Curran 1903 Jane Curran age 50 union workhouse ? Not sure if this is her yet. Still looking for John curran death.