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Almost midnight on the 31st July here in Aberdeen and I've been brave, foolhardy or plain mad to host the challenge again ::)
Somewhat different area of the country to last month:
RG11 5149/128 page 3
Philip Bell age 60 joiner born Upper Denton Cumberland
Wasn't Denton in the 'Inspector Frost' series?
Have fun.
Jo
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Here's all the family in 1881:-
Philip BELL Head M Male 60 Upper Denton, Cumberland, England Joiner
Margaret BELL Wife M Female 54 Upper Denton, Cumberland, England Joiner Wife
Anthony BELL Son U Male 21 Haltwhistle, Northumberland, England Joiner
John BELL Son Male 14 Midgeholme, Cumberland, England Scholar
Midgeholme, Cumberland, England
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Well here they all are in 1891:
RG12/4280/95
Midgeholme Village
Philip BELL - Head - M - 74 - Retired Joiner - Cumberland, Denton
Margaret BELL - Wife - M - 63 - - Cumberland, Denton
Anthony BELL - Son - M - 31 - Joiner - Northumberland, Haltwhistle
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Here's a bit of info about Upper Denton:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/CUL/UpperDenton/Gaz1868.html
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And this may be Philip's demise:
SEPTEMBER 1895:
BELL Philip 78 Haltwhistle 10b 224
Haltwhistle is a few miles only from Midgeholme: right on the Cumberland/Northumberland border.
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Registration district for Upper Denton:
Brampton
Created 1st July 1837.
Sub-districts : Brampton; Hatton; Walton.
GRO volumes : XXV (1837-51); 10b (1852-1930).
Askerton, Brampton, Burtholme, Carlatton, Castle Carrock, Cumrew, Cumwhitton, Farlam, Geltsdale, Irthington, Kingwater, Midgeholme, Nether Denton, Upper Denton, Walton, Waterhead.
Registers now in Carlisle district.
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http://www.dmm.org.uk/colliery/m039.htm#credits
Chances are they were joiners in the pit. Picture on above link of Midgeholme mine. Looks as if it could be somewhat bleak.
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Bell sons' births, I assume:
Anthony:
Sep 1859
Haltwhistle 10b 232
John: two candidates
Mar 1867
Haltwhistle 10b 267
Dec 1867
Haltwhistle 10b 26_
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I've just had a quick look at Genes Reunited and a member has a Philip Bell born 1797 in Haltwhistle, Northumberland. Could be linked to "our" Philip ???
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1871 Census entry:
RG10/5210/39: Midgeholme
Philip BELL - Head - M - 50 - Joiner - Cumberland, Upper Denton
Margaret BELL - Wife - M - 44 - - Cumberland, Upper Denton
Jane BELL - Daughter - - 13 - - Cumberland, Upper Denton
Anthony BELL - Son - - 11 - Scholar - Cumberland, Midgeholme
Margaret BELL - Daughter - - 9 - Scholar - Cumberland, Midgeholme
John BELL - Son - - 4 - - Cumberland, Midgeholme
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1871 RG10/5210
Folio39 page 5 Dist 8e Midgeholm Cumberland
Philip Bell Head Head 50 Joiner Cumberland Upper Denton
Margaret do wife 44 do do
Jane do daur 13 do do
Anthony do son 11 scholar do Midgeholm
Margaret do daur 9 do do
John do son 4 do do
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Possible Bell Baptisms, Burials & Marriages in the Denton area of Cumberland. They might be useful later. :)
http://edenlinks.rootsweb.com/1gp/ak/INDEX.HTM
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I have sent a message to the Genes Reunited member explaining the challenge and inviting them to pop in!.......We will have to wait and see.
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There is no IGI index reference for Upper Denton, Cumberland, so this entry may be of relevance:
Philip BELL
Christening 15 June 1817
Haltwhistle, Northumberland
Father: Thomas BELL
Mother: Mary
Batch No: P002851
But with a name like Bell, and 26 christenings of children born to Thomas and Mary Bell within 20 years, this may be a red herring.
I think this one might be tougher than last month's...
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1861
Brampton waterhead cumberland
RG9/3908 folio 20 Page 5
Philip Bell Head Mar 41 Joiner Cumberland, Upper Denton
Margaret do wife Mar 32 Northumberland, Haltwhistle
Jane do daur 3 do do
Anthony do son 1 do do
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Possible birth for daughter Jane:
June 1859 10b page 361 Registration District Brampton
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Possible birth entries for daughter Margaret:-
All registration district Brampton:
March 1862
10b page 379
10b page 378
Jun 1862
10b page 397
Dec 1862
10b page _77
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Found in Burrow Digger's Link on pge 1
John Bell s Phillip/Margaret Midgeholme 31 Mar 1867
Confirms Mar 1867 Haltwhistle 10b 267
Bell baptisms St Mary Magdalene Lanercost 1685-1872
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there is also a philip bell on IGI baptised at brampton on Oct 13 and 28 1818 to john and jane bell (just mentioning because he named children john and jane)
Tom
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and the john bell mar 31 1867 baptism is also on the IGI - son of Philip and Margaret.
Tom
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Found in Burrow Digger's Link on pge 1
John Bell s Phillip/Margaret Midgeholme 31 Mar 1867
Confirms Mar 1867 Haltwhistle 10b 267
Bell baptisms St Mary Magdalene Lanercost 1685-1872
I cannot get involved in this!
But we have a mining engineer, and that's close enough.
http://edenlinks.rootsweb.com/1gp/ak/INDEX.HTM
Baptisms at St. Mary Magdalene, Lanercost - 1685 - 1872
John BELL s Phillip/Margaret Midgeholme 31 Mar 1867
1891 Gateshead RG12 4177 11 p16
High Team
Thomas Richardson, head, mar, 32, Colliery Engineer, b. Knarsdale, Northumberland
Jane Richardson, wife, mar, 33, b. Lambley, Northumberland
Margaret Ann Richardson, dau, sin, 12, Scholar, b. Midgeholme, Cumberland
Thomas Henry Richardson, son, sin, 8, Scholar, b. Midgeholme, Cumberland
Isaac James Richardson, son, sin, 6, Scholar, b. Greenhead, Northumberland
John Bell, boarder, sin, 24, Joiner, Midgeholme, Cumberland
1901 Gateshead RG13 4751 14 p20
45 Queen Street
John Bell, head, widower, 34, House Joiner - Carp, b. Lanercost, Cumberland
Thomas Bell, son, sin, 8, b. Gateshead, Durham
Philip Bell, son, sin, 6, b. Gateshead, Durham
John Bell, son, sin, 3, b. Gateshead, Durham
Elizabeth Young, servant, wid, 59, Housekeeper (domestic), b. Blackpool, Lancs
CP
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I have Thomas Richardson in my tree b 1859. I only have his parent's and siblings. A Richardson married in to my Stonehouse family.
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well- there are about 8 - 10 Thomas's on Freebmd, but there are only two Philip's.
One is AMJ 1892 Vol 10a pg 927, the other is more likely -
it matches his age on the census OND 1894 Vol 10a pg 919
There seems to be 7 options for John (assuming that his age is right at 3).
Tom
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Could this be possible Wife for John From FreeBMD
Hannah Mitchelson Atkinson March 1892 Gateshead 10a 1062
And Her Death
Hannah Bell age 41 Sep 1900 Gateshead 9b 477
It seemed to fit as the link below is for Atkinson/Bell.
Please tell me if I'm off track as this is the first time i have done this.
http://edenlinks.rootsweb.com/1gp/ak/INDEX.HTM
Baptisms at St. Mary Magdalene, Lanercost - 1685 - 1872
John BELL s Phillip/Margaret Midgeholme 31 Mar 1867
1891 Gateshead RG12 4177 11 p16
High Team
Thomas Richardson, head, mar, 32, Colliery Engineer, b. Knarsdale, Northumberland
Jane Richardson, wife, mar, 33, b. Lambley, Northumberland
Margaret Ann Richardson, dau, sin, 12, Scholar, b. Midgeholme, Cumberland
Thomas Henry Richardson, son, sin, 8, Scholar, b. Midgeholme, Cumberland
Isaac James Richardson, son, sin, 6, Scholar, b. Greenhead, Northumberland
John Bell, boarder, sin, 24, Joiner, Midgeholme, Cumberland
1901 Gateshead RG13 4751 14 p20
45 Queen Street
John Bell, head, widower, 34, House Joiner - Carp, b. Lanercost, Cumberland
Thomas Bell, son, sin, 8, b. Gateshead, Durham
Philip Bell, son, sin, 6, b. Gateshead, Durham
John Bell, son, sin, 3, b. Gateshead, Durham
Elizabeth Young, servant, wid, 59, Housekeeper (domestic), b. Blackpool, Lancs
CP
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There are some BELL listed in the 1881 Census: Residents of Union Workhouse, Brampton, Cumberland
Ann Bell Unmarried 25 Domestic Servant
James Bell Unmarried 75 Cotton Weaver
John Bell Unmarried 9 months Son of Domestic Servant
Mary Bell Married 75 Inmate Wife Schoolmaster
Thomas Bell Widower 65 Inmate Lab Ironworks
Thomas Bell Married 75 Inmate formerly Schoolmaster
All were born in Brampton, Cumberland, except for Mary Bell who was born in Netherby, Cumberland.
History of the Workhouse http://users.ox.ac.uk/~peter/workhouse/Brampton/Brampton.shtml
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Thought I would post this, just in case ;)
In the 1881 census there is a Hannah Bell 28 and George Bell 23 (marital status for both not given) visiting the Gilsland School, School House, Upper Denton, Cumberland. Both born in Alston, Cumberland. Charlton Hall is the School Master, and wife Margaret.
RG11/5149, folio 198, page 2.
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This may or may not be ??? useful at a later date!
Directories
The source of the entries appearing in the listings at the end of each entry are :-
(1829) - The Principal Inhabitants of Cumberland and Westmorland 1829 - Roland Grigg
(1847) - The Principal Inhabitants of Cumberland 1847 - Roland Grigg
(1855) - Harriett Martineau's Directory of the Lake District 1855 - Edited by Roland Grigg
(1901) - Bulmer's Directory of Cumberland 1901 - An alphabetical index compiled by Roland Grigg
There is a whole page for the name BELL which you can see here http://janelittle.members.beeb.net/Bell.htm
I HAVE NEVER CONTRIBUTED TO ANY OF THE CHALLNGES BEFORE SO YOU WILL HAVE TO EXCUSE ME IF AM PROVIDING USELESS INFORMATION - I AM ENJOYING IT THOUGH :D
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Hi,
Thought I'd have a go:
Found the following marriage for Anthony:
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Marriages Mar 1891
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Bell Anthony Brampton 10b 703
Robson Sarah Brampton 10b 703
Holly
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Hi heres another first time go
Anthony Bell died september 1903 still in Haltwhistle
age 44
vol 10b page 242.
Tazzie
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1901 census
Farlam, Cumberland
BELL Anthony, 40, Head, Colliery Engine Man, b Northumberland Hartleyburn
Do Sarah, 36, Wife, b Cumberland Farlam
Do Philip E, 6, Son, b do
Do Samuel R, 3, Son, b do
JAP
Must have been Sarah ROBSON he married.
Here's Samuel's birth
Samuel Robson BELL, Dec qtr 1897, Brampton, Cumberland
And Philip was Philip Edwin
Philip Edwin BELL, Mar qtr 1895, Brampton, Cumberland
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Hey JAP, you beat me to it with the 1901 entry for Anthony ;D
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Hi,
I believe Anthony married Sarah Robson. On the 1891 census he is listed with his parents and marked down as married. On the same census page 5 households down is:
Samuel Robson 48 M Head Coal Miner b- Haltwhistle
Isabella Robson 46 M Wife b- Farlam, Cumberland
Sarah Bell 26 M Daughter b- Farlam, Cumberland
Thomas Robson 24 S Son b- Farlam, Cumberland
William Robson Son S 22 Unsetter in the Pit b- Midgholme
Isabella J Robson Daughter S 16 Dressmaker b- Midgholme
Hannah Mary Robson Daughter S 16 b- Midgholme
Samuel Robson Son 12 Scholar b- Midgholme
Joseph Robson Son 10 Scholar b- Midgholme
Margaret Elizabeth Daur 7 Scholar b- Midgholme
Elise Miriam Daur 2 Scholar b- Midgholme
Ann Hornesby Sister S 44 B- Farlam
What do you think?
Holly
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1881 Census - For ROBSON's living in Midgeholme
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Samuel ROBSON Head M Male 38 Haltwhistle, Northumberland, England Colliery Banksman
Isabella ROBSON Wife M Female 36 Farlam, Cumberland, England Wife Of Banksman
Sarah ROBSON Daur U Female 16 Farlam, Cumberland, England
Thomas ROBSON Son Male 14 Midgeholme, Cumberland, England Coal Miner
William ROBSON Son Male 12 Midgeholme, Cumberland, England Coal Miner
Annie ROBSON Daur Female 10 Midgeholme, Cumberland, England
Isabella A. ROBSON Daur Female 6 Midgeholme, Cumberland, England Scholar
Hannah M. ROBSON Daur Female 6 Midgeholme, Cumberland, England Scholar
Samuel ROBSON Son Male 2 Midgeholme, Cumberland, England
Joseph ROBSON Son Male 5 m Midgeholme, Cumberland, England
Piece / Folio 5149 / 127
Page Number 1
Holly
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1871: Robson (Only 2 households from the Bell's)
Samuel Head 28 Colliery Bankman b- Haltwhistle
Isabella Wife 26 b- Brampton
Sarah Daur 6 b- Brampton
Thomas Son 4 b- Lanercoast
William Son 2 b- Lanercoast
Anne Daughter 1mo b- Lanercoast
RG10/5210 Folio: 39 Page:5
Holly
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Are we supposed to do his daughter in law's family? If not I'll stop
Holly
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I was wondering that Holly.
Are we supposed to stick to the BELL line or look at the in-law lines too ???
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There's been a busy 9 hours whilst I've been sleeping :) More than enough for me to have to start summarising. I've got to quickly finish inputting in the computer programme all my mother's reasearch data on her mother's family (almost done 300 individuals over the weekend!) before she goes home this morning, and then I'll get my head round what's been uncovered here.
Re. daughter in laws family. Details on the families that our heroes family married into all help build up a picture of him and his family and add to the story. Should we come across descendants, those details may well be directly relevant. It helps if you title the posting 'P. B.'s son's wife' or something similar so that we can all easily see whereabouts on the thread you are.
(There was a picture book I used to sell in a previous life about P B Bear, so now I've got a completely bizarre image of Philip Bell :D )
Jo
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Well folks, I'm off to do some housework (much rather be doing this!!!) so good luck with all the searching.
Hope someone is clever enough to find Philips Bell's parents ;)
No doubt when I get back on RC tonight this thread will be massive ;D ;D
Jan
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Wow, do you folks realise just how close Upper Denton & Haltwhistle are to Hadrians Wall?
Thats an interesting piece of history.
Hope the map link works :)
map (http://uk.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=360000&Y=560000&width=700&height=400&gride=357000&gridn=563000&srec=0&coordsys=gb&db=grid&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=&advanced=&local=&localinfosel=&kw=&inmap=&table=&ovtype=&zm=0&scale=200000&multimap.x=403&multimap.y=109")
Yaay it works - edited for width :)
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Hi BD,
Now that is really fascinating!
Map link works perfectly.
JAP
PS: The only trouble is that the URL is so long that it's sent the page into a sideways scroll. Trystan once told me how to avoid this. Not sure if I can explain easily ;)
You put (without any spaces)
a square bracket
then
url=and enter whatever the long url is, then close the square bracket
then type Click Here
then put a square bracket, a forward slash, url, and close the square bracket.
It's much clearer ;D on the RootsChat Help Pages - Posting - Bulletin Board Code at:
http://www.rootschat.com/help/posting.shtml
(though there's an instruction there which might mean I shouldn't have posted that url ....
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Thanks for the info JAP.
As you can see I have successfuly edited the map link. ;D
BD
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Summaries posted in same format as last months. Page numbers in brackets refer to the page on this thread where the info is.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,77741.0.html
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Possible daughter Jane in 1881
1881 RG11 5109 111 p22
Halton Lea Gate, Hartleyburn, Northumberland
Thomas Richardson, head, mar, 22, Coal Miner, b. Knarsdale, Cumberland
Jane Richardson, wife, mar, 23, b. Midgeholme, Cumberland
Margaret Richardson, dau, 2, b. Halton Lea Gate
Philip B Richardson, son, 2w, b. Halton Lea Gate
Possible Marriage 1877 Q1 Cockermouth 10b 725
2 couples on the page, including
BELL, Jane Bodkin
RICHARDSON, Thomas
Cockermouth is too far from home.
But children's names are interesting.
And BODKIN ??
CP
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Jane could have been in service in Cockermouth; I've got girls marrying in Middlesex when home was Trowbridge Wilts. We've already had one helpful mother's surname passed down as a middle name to Anthony's son Samuel, Bodkin may be worth following as a lead.
1851 census index has Philip Bell age 40 at Haltwhistle piece 2416 folio 214. Wrong age but right place considering dau Jane was born there c 1858.
Jo
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Philip Bell's birthplace found on http://www.stevebulman.f9.co.uk/cumbria/upperdenton.html
Denton (Upper) Parish
Is a small district, bounded on the east by Northumberland, on the south by Nether Denton, and on the west and north by the river Irthing. It is of a triangular form, intersected by the Newcastle and Carlisle Railway, and contains only 860 acres, rated at £1058 3s., and 127 inhabitants.
Upper Denton is a small village, six miles E. of Brampton; and here is situate the Church1, a very humble building. The benefice is a curacy, in the patronage of the earl of Carlisle, and incumbency of the Rev. Isaac Dodgson, M.A. It was certified to the ecclesiastical commissioners at £47 per ann., all of which arises from lands purchased with queen Anne's bounty, except 20s. a year paid by the earl of Carlisle, who is the largest landowner in this parish. The church was anciently granted to Lanercost priory, by Hugh Pudsey, bishop of Durham, to whose diocese it then belonged. At Mumpshall, a small hamlet in the parish, we have been pointed out the house in which lived Margaret Teasdale the Meg Merrilies of Sir Walter Scott's celebrated romance of "Guy Mannering;" and also her grave in the church yard of this parish. Near the Mains, on the south side of the river Irthing, is a spring, which petrifies the moss through which it passes, in its course to the river.
Mannix & Whellan, History, Gazetteer and Directory of Cumberland, 1847
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The Times, 11 January 1897 (page 4, column B)
A REVENGEFUL TICKET-OF-LEAVE MAN.
At the County Magistrate's Office at Carlisle, on Saturday, Joseph BELL, a
mason or miner, aged 41, was brought up charged with having changed his
residence without notifying the fact to the police as he was bound as a
ticket-of-leave man to do; also with carrying firearms with intent to
murder. The prisoner was convicted at the Cumberland Assizes in October,
1882, of attempting to murder his brother John BELL, grocer, Dalston, near
Carlisle, and his brother's wife, by the use of dynamite or tonite. The
prisoner had gone to Dalston in the summer of 1882, and at night had thrown
an explosive missile into a room which he believed to be occupied by John
BELL and his wife. He had, however, mistaken the house. The occupant of the
room into which the missile fell was a Miss BROWN, who, on being awakened by
the hissing of the fuse, called out that the house was on fire. Her nephew
on hearing the cry of alarm ran into her bed room. He saw the missile on the
floor - it was an india-rubber tube a yard and a half long, with a hard ball
at the end - and, picking it up, he threw it out of the room into a lobby.
There it exploded and did great damage to the building. Mr Justice DAY
characterized the prisoner's crime as a diabolical and carefully-planned
attempt to gratify his feelings of revenge against his sister-in-law Martha
BELL for some fancied wrong, and sentenced him to 20 years' penal servitude.
Last September, when he had served between 14 and 15 years of his sentence,
he was liberated on licence by Sir Matthew White RIDLEY, Home Secretary, in
compliance with a local memorial which had been presented to him. On
December 26 the released convict went to Dalston and visited his brother,
who offered him supper, which he declined. The prisoner seemed friendly, but
refused to say why he was in the neighbourhood. The brother accompanied him
part of the way towards Carlisle, and before they parted the prisoner showed
him a revolver and remarked, "I would be the end of your missus if it was
not for you." On January 2 Police-constable FISHER apprehended the prisoner
for failing to report himself. He had a revolver in his pocket and 25 ball
cartridges for it. To the officer he remarked, when at the police-station,
"I'll do for the old woman Martha, at Dalston." The magistrates said they
must forfeit the prisoner's licence, and BELL was sent to complete the
unexpired portion of his sentence of 20 years' penal servitude.
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Clicked send before I commented!!! Just to say I hope we don't link up with this Bell, though sounds a likely colourful family :)
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Possible daughter Jane in 1881
1881 RG11 5109 111 p22
Halton Lea Gate, Hartleyburn, Northumberland
Thomas Richardson, head, mar, 22, Coal Miner, b. Knarsdale, Cumberland
Jane Richardson, wife, mar, 23, b. Midgeholme, Cumberland
Margaret Richardson, dau, 2, b. Halton Lea Gate
Philip B Richardson, son, 2w, b. Halton Lea Gate
Possible Marriage 1877 Q1 Cockermouth 10b 725
2 couples on the page, including
BELL, Jane Bodkin
RICHARDSON, Thomas
CP
Death registration for Philip Bell Richardson Sept 1881 age 0 Haltwhistle
Does look like Philip Bell's dau Jane married Thomas Richardson, right age, right birthplace and son is named after her father.
Jo
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1891 Gateshead RG12 4177 11 p16
High Team
Thomas Richardson, head, mar, 32, Colliery Engineer, b. Knarsdale, Northumberland
Jane Richardson, wife, mar, 33, b. Lambley, Northumberland
Margaret Ann Richardson, dau, sin, 12, Scholar, b. Midgeholme, Cumberland
Thomas Henry Richardson, son, sin, 8, Scholar, b. Midgeholme, Cumberland
Isaac James Richardson, son, sin, 6, Scholar, b. Greenhead, Northumberland
John Bell, boarder, sin, 24, Joiner, Midgeholme, Cumberland
CP
Jane is John's sister (she's had a different place of birth in each census but sure it is her each time)
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Here's Jane (Philip Bell's daughter) in 1901 (different birthplace again to be consistant!):
at Winlaton Blaydon Durham 18 Pioneer Street:
Thomas Richardson 43 coal hewer
Jane wife 44
Margaret A dau 23 Drapers assistant
Thomas H son 19 coal hewer
Isaac J son 17 coal putter (below ground) all born Northumberland
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Possible daughter Jane in 1881
1881 RG11 5109 111 p22
Halton Lea Gate, Hartleyburn, Northumberland
Thomas Richardson, head, mar, 22, Coal Miner, b. Knarsdale, Cumberland
Jane Richardson, wife, mar, 23, b. Midgeholme, Cumberland
Margaret Richardson, dau, 2, b. Halton Lea Gate
Philip B Richardson, son, 2w, b. Halton Lea Gate
Possible Marriage 1877 Q1 Cockermouth 10b 725
2 couples on the page, including
BELL, Jane Bodkin
RICHARDSON, Thomas
Cockermouth is too far from home.
But children's names are interesting.
And BODKIN ??
CP
Much more likely Marriage for Jane, daughter of Philip Bell.
1878 Q2 Brampton 10b 639
Bell, Jane
Richardson, Thomas
CP
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on the IGI - there is a Jane Bell christened at Presbyterian NC Haltwhistle Northumberland.
The birthdate is listed as June 15 1857, christened on JUly 16 1857, parenst listed as Philip Bell and Mary.
Thought this was worth a look.
Tom
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I agree CP much more likely marriage for Jane and Thomas, shame, was hoping the Bodkin would give us a lead on the previous generation.
Just need to find daughter Margaret born c 1862 in 1881 to have all 4 children.
Tom, can we find another Philip Bell with wife Mary in the censuses that would account for this Jane?
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Durham Mining Museum website has an 'In Memorium' section:
Bell, Anthony, 25 Aug 1903, aged 44, Engineman at Featherstone Colliery
Description
Deceased and another workman went into a return airway, also used as a pipe road for conveying steam to a pump, which exhausts direct into the return, to attend to leaking joints. In order to locate the leaking joints a small pressure of steam was left on and in any case the road was very warm. After going so far the man with deceased found it too hot and returned to the pump leaving deceased. who said he could stand the heat. Deceased's mate had all steam cut off and then returned to the drift, and not finding deceased where he had left him concluded he had gone on to a door at top. Some time after he found deceased further up dead, evidently overcome by the heat. In subsequent search deceased's lamp was found 37 yards above his body. He had probably become confused, lost his light, and then turned back. Deceased had received a somewhat severe electric shock some few months before.
Source: Mines Inspectors Annual Report for 1903 (Cd 2119), from a copy held in the Scottish Mining Museum, Newtongrange, Midlothian.
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I think I may have tracked down Margaret, Philip's daughter:
1881 Census
A search for Margarets born in Midgeholme threw up:
RG11/5109 Folio 107 Page 13
Halton Lea Gate, Haltwhistle
John Bell, Head, 24, Coal Miner, b. Northumberland, Halton Lea Gate
Margaret Bell, Wife, b Northumberland, Midgeholme, Lamergost?
and then I found
Marriages June Quarter 1880
John Bell, Bramton 10b 625
Margaret Bell, Brampton 10b 625
Coincidence or something else with Ince** in the word :o
Al
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Tom, can we find another Philip Bell with wife Mary in the censuses that would account for this Jane?
Well- in a cursory search - i don't see any Jane bell on 1861 that matches as a daughter of Philip.
(In fact - there are only 19 Philip Bell's on the 1861 census - ours is transcribed as Beed)
Tom
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I am still having difficulty with the county boundaries.
Nice map here:
http://www.durham.gov.uk/durhamcc/K2P.nsf/K2PDetail?readform&PRN=N5959
Click on "Location of this site on a map"
Haltwhistle
Midgeholme
Knarsdale
Halton Lea Gate
Farlam
Brampton
Lanercost
etc.
All clearly shown.
Upper Denton is just SW of Gilsland.
Featherstone Colliery, where Anthony Bell died, is the "X" at centre of map.
CP
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Thanks CP, need to zoom out a bit to 100000 to see almost all the places together. We're right on the border of Cumberland and Northumberland. Carlisle isn't far away west and neither is Newcastle and Gateshead far away to the east (hence Hadrians wall).
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There is no IGI index reference for Upper Denton, Cumberland, so this entry may be of relevance:
Philip BELL
Christening 15 June 1817
Haltwhistle, Northumberland
Father: Thomas BELL
Mother: Mary
Batch No: P002851
But with a name like Bell, and 26 christenings of children born to Thomas and Mary Bell within 20 years, this may be a red herring.
I think this one might be tougher than last month's...
There's also a Philip Bell chr 28 Oct 1818 at Brampton, parents John and Jane, on the IGI. John and Jane and other children, John, Richard and Margaret are in Brampton 1861, cotton weavers.
Upper Denton is halfway between Brampton and Haltwhistle, so our Philip could be either or another one chr in Upper Denton.
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We're right on the border of Cumberland and Northumberland.
Border runs between Midgeholme (Cumberland) and Halton Lea Gate (Northumberland)
Then right through Gilsland.
No wonder these people don't know where they were born!
CP
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From the London Ancester website
Report of the Boundary Commissioners for England and Wales.
Printed by Eyre and Spottiswoode, London, 1885.
http://www.londonancestor.com/maps/bc-cumber-n.htm
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Thank You for the map.
Much better than the one I drew by hand!
CP
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Hi,
Have been looking at ROBSON's - Philips son Anthony's wife Family:
To finish of the censuses here they are in 1901:
1901: RG13/4859 Folio: 73, Page: 16
Tudal Terrace, Farlam
Samuel Robson Head M 58 Coal Tipler? b- Hartleyburn
Isabella Wife M 56 b- Farlam
Samuel Son S 22 Coal Miner b- Midgeholm
Joseph Son S 20 Coal Miner (putter) b- Midgeholm
Margaret Daughter S 17 b- Midgeholm
Elsie M Daughter S 12 b- Midgeholm
Ann Housby Sister in Law S 54 b- Farlam
Holly
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I think I may have tracked down Margaret, Philip's daughter:
1881 Census
A search for Margarets born in Midgeholme threw up:
RG11/5109 Folio 107 Page 13
Halton Lea Gate, Haltwhistle
John Bell, Head, 24, Coal Miner, b. Northumberland, Halton Lea Gate
Margaret Bell, Wife, b Northumberland, Midgeholme, Lamergost?
and then I found
Marriages June Quarter 1880
John Bell, Bramton 10b 625
Margaret Bell, Brampton 10b 625
Coincidence or something else with Ince** in the word :o
Al
There is a Margaret Heslop on the same page of marriages.
However, I conclude that you are probably right.
It appears Somerset is not the only county where villages have a limited number of surnames!
1881:
John Bell, Head, 24, Coal Miner, b. Northumberland, Halton Lea Gate
1871, no such place as Halton Lea Gate.
Found it under Hartleyburn, where I find:
RG10 5155 20 p13
Haltonlea Gate
Joseph Bell, head, mar, 54, Coal Miner, b. Alston, Cumberland
Elizabeth Bell, wife, mar, 68, b. Aspatria, Cumberland
Isabella Batey, step dau, unm, 46, b. "Do Alty, Somerset" ??
Joseph Batey, gran son, unm, 24, Coal Miner, b. Haltwhistle Nb
John Batey, step g son, unm, 16, Coal Miner, b. Hexham Nb
James Batey, step g son, unm, 12, Coal Miner, b. Newcastle Nb
2 doors down:
John Bell, head, widower, 53, Coal Miner, b. Haltwhistle
Mary Ann Bell, dau, unm, 18, General Servant, b. Haltwhistle
John Bell, son, unm, 13, Coal Miner, b. Haltwhistle
Next page:
John Heslop, head, mar, 50, Coal Miner, b. Haltwhistle
Ann Heslop, wife, mar, 51, b. Haltwhistle
Joseph Heslop, son, unm, 24, Coal Miner, b. Greenhead, Cumb
Sarah Heslop, dau, unm, 23, Servant, b. Haltwhistle
John Heslop, son, unm, 20, Coal Miner, b. Haltwhistle
Isabella Heslop, dau, unm, 18, b. Haltwhistle
Mathew Heslop, son, unm, 16, Coal Miner, b. Haltwhistle
Margaret Heslop, dau, 4, b. Haltwhistle
I WAS going to nominate John Bell, 13, as husband of our Margaret.
But finding him living next door to another possible Margaret, raises doubts.
Anyone else want to puzzle this?
CP
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The births/Christnings of the children I could find :
Thomas: Born - March Qtr 1867 Brampton 10b 392 (FreeBMD)
Christened - 5th March 1867, Lanercoast Cumberland (IGI)
William: Christened - 13 January 1869, Lanercoast Cumberland (IGI)
Annie: Born - 26 April 1870 (IGI) / June Qtr 1870 Brampton 10b 422 (FreeBMD)
Christened - 26 Jun 1870, Hastlewith Cumberland (also listed as christened in Lanercoast) (IGI)
Isabella Jane: Born - 11 December 1874 (IGI) / March Qtr 1875 Brampton 10b 465 (FreeBMD)
Christened - 20 December 1874, Lanercoast Cumberland (IGI)
Hannah Mary: Born - 11 December 1874 (IGI) / March Qtr 1875 Brampton 10b 465 (FreeBMD)
Christened - 20 December 1874, Lanercoast Cumberland (IGI)
Samuel: Born - June Qtr 1878 Brampton 10b 467 (FreeBMD)
Joseph: Born - December Qtr 1880 Brampton 10b 423 (FreeBMD)
Margaret Elizabeth: Born - June Qtr 1883 Brampton 10b 453 (FreeBMD)
Elsie Miriam: Born - March Qtr 1889 Brampton 10b 453 (FreeBMD)
Holly
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I think I may have tracked down Margaret, Philip's daughter:
1881 Census
A search for Margarets born in Midgeholme threw up:
RG11/5109 Folio 107 Page 13
Halton Lea Gate, Haltwhistle
John Bell, Head, 24, Coal Miner, b. Northumberland, Halton Lea Gate
Margaret Bell, Wife, b Northumberland, Midgeholme, Lamergost?
and then I found
Marriages June Quarter 1880
John Bell, Bramton 10b 625
Margaret Bell, Brampton 10b 625
Coincidence or something else with Ince** in the word :o
Al
There is a Margaret Heslop on the same page of marriages.
However, I conclude that you are probably right.
It appears Somerset is not the only county where villages have a limited number of surnames!
1881:
John Bell, Head, 24, Coal Miner, b. Northumberland, Halton Lea Gate
1871, no such place as Halton Lea Gate.
Found it under Hartleyburn, where I find:
RG10 5155 20 p13
Haltonlea Gate
Joseph Bell, head, mar, 54, Coal Miner, b. Alston, Cumberland
Elizabeth Bell, wife, mar, 68, b. Aspatria, Cumberland
Isabella Batey, step dau, unm, 46, b. "Do Alty, Somerset" ??
Joseph Batey, gran son, unm, 24, Coal Miner, b. Haltwhistle Nb
John Batey, step g son, unm, 16, Coal Miner, b. Hexham Nb
James Batey, step g son, unm, 12, Coal Miner, b. Newcastle Nb
2 doors down:
John Bell, head, widower, 53, Coal Miner, b. Haltwhistle
Mary Ann Bell, dau, unm, 18, General Servant, b. Haltwhistle
John Bell, son, unm, 13, Coal Miner, b. Haltwhistle
Next page:
John Heslop, head, mar, 50, Coal Miner, b. Haltwhistle
Ann Heslop, wife, mar, 51, b. Haltwhistle
Joseph Heslop, son, unm, 24, Coal Miner, b. Greenhead, Cumb
Sarah Heslop, dau, unm, 23, Servant, b. Haltwhistle
John Heslop, son, unm, 20, Coal Miner, b. Haltwhistle
Isabella Heslop, dau, unm, 18, b. Haltwhistle
Mathew Heslop, son, unm, 16, Coal Miner, b. Haltwhistle
Margaret Heslop, dau, 4, b. Haltwhistle
I WAS going to nominate John Bell, 13, as husband of our Margaret.
But finding him living next door to another possible Margaret, raises doubts.
Anyone else want to puzzle this?
CP
I dont know if thats the right Margaret Heslop who married 1880. That Margaret would have only been 14 when she married, and looking on the 1881 census I came up with:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John HESLOP Head M Male 60 Engine House Haltlur, Northumberland, England Coal Miner
Ann HESLOP Wife M Female 62 Engine House Haltlur, Northumberland, England
Margret HESLOP Grand Daur U Female 14 Engine House Haltlur, Northumberland, England Miners G Daug
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Source Information:
Dwelling Engine House
Census Place Hartleyburn, Northumberland, England
Family History Library Film 1342234
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 5109 / 106
Page Number 12
Holly
NOTE - There is a BATEY family just above them. (Different from 1871 though)
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I dont know if thats the right Margaret Heslop who married 1880. That Margaret would have only been 14 when she married, and looking on the 1881 census I came up with:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John HESLOP Head M Male 60 Engine House Haltlur, Northumberland, England Coal Miner
Ann HESLOP Wife M Female 62 Engine House Haltlur, Northumberland, England
Margret HESLOP Grand Daur U Female 14 Engine House Haltlur, Northumberland, England Miners G Daug
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Source Information:
Dwelling Engine House
Census Place Hartleyburn, Northumberland, England
Family History Library Film 1342234
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 5109 / 106
Page Number 12
Holly
NOTE - There is a BATEY family just above them. (Different from 1871 though)
Good! That's the kind of checking I need.
Too many Bells in my head at the moment!
Thanks. CP
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Anyone interested in background, life in mining villages, etc.
How Green Was My Valley, book or film.
Set in South Wales, c. 1900, but Northumberland would not be very different.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0033729/
CP
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Search FreeBMD for Marriages Brampton 1880 10b / 625, gives:
Marriages Jun 1880
Batey John Brampton 10b 625
BELL John Brampton 10b 625
HESLOP Margaret Brampton 10b 625
Search FreeBMD for Marriages Brampton 1880 Margaret Bell, gives:
Marriages Jun 1880
BELL Margaret Ann Brampton 10b 525
Marriages Dec 1880
BELL Margaret Brampton 10b 638
So I got the image from 1837Online.
Margaret Ann Bell is clearly 10b 625
For those who are having difficulty with Margaret Bell
The page should read:
Marriages Jun 1880
Batey John Brampton 10b 625
BELL John Brampton 10b 625
BELL Margaret Ann Brampton 10b 625
HESLOP Margaret Brampton 10b 625
Just when I thought I had this resolved, I notice the Margaret Bell, married Dec quarter, 1880, and that June quarter is Margaret ANN ........
And now we have a John Batey in the mix.
There is also a Margaret Bell m. Haltwhistle 1880 Q2 10b 421
My head hurts. CP
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I think I may have tracked down Margaret, Philip's daughter:
1881 Census
A search for Margarets born in Midgeholme threw up:
RG11/5109 Folio 107 Page 13
Halton Lea Gate, Haltwhistle
John Bell, Head, 24, Coal Miner, b. Northumberland, Halton Lea Gate
Margaret Bell, Wife, b Northumberland, Midgeholme, Lamergost?
and then I found
Marriages June Quarter 1880
John Bell, Bramton 10b 625
Margaret Bell, Brampton 10b 625
Coincidence or something else with Ince** in the word :o
Al
Trying to eliminate all the other Margaret Bell by age.
I am left with one other possibility
Marriages Dec 1879
Armstrong William Haltwhistle 10b 423
Bell Margaret Haltwhistle 10b 423
1881 RG11 5110 30 p1
Thirlwall, Cottage
William Armstrong, head, mar, 33, Stone Mason, b. Haltwhistle
Margaret Armstrong, wife, mar, 19, b. Haltwhistle
But I think Al has the right one.
CP
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I think I may have tracked down Margaret, Philip's daughter:
1881 Census
A search for Margarets born in Midgeholme threw up:
RG11/5109 Folio 107 Page 13
Halton Lea Gate, Haltwhistle
John Bell, Head, 24, Coal Miner, b. Northumberland, Halton Lea Gate
Margaret Bell, Wife, b Northumberland, Midgeholme, Lamergost?
and then I found
Marriages June Quarter 1880
John Bell, Bramton 10b 625
Margaret Bell, Brampton 10b 625
Coincidence or something else with Ince** in the word :o
Al
Can we find this pair in a later census to see if any children or visitors can confirm that she is Philip's daughter? I've had a quick look to no avail.
Jo
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Took the photos away - wrong Featherstone colliery. there's one near Wakefield which is not the one where Anthony died.
Photos on next posting still give us an idea of the life though.
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http://www.pitwork.net/jstocks/File10007a.jpg
http://www.pitwork.net/jstocks/File0004%20aa.jpg
Not an easy occupation and a world away from our family last month.
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I had a look at the 1881 census to try and find John & Margaret Search FreeBMD for Marriages Brampton 1880 10b / 625, gives:
Marriages Jun 1880
Batey John Brampton 10b 625
BELL John Brampton 10b 625
HESLOP Margaret Brampton 10b 625
Search FreeBMD for Marriages Brampton 1880 Margaret Bell, gives:
Marriages Jun 1880
BELL Margaret Ann Brampton 10b 525
Marriages Dec 1880
BELL Margaret Brampton 10b 638
So I got the image from 1837Online.
Margaret Ann Bell is clearly 10b 625
For those who are having difficulty with Margaret Bell
The page should read:
Marriages Jun 1880
Batey John Brampton 10b 625
BELL John Brampton 10b 625
BELL Margaret Ann Brampton 10b 625
HESLOP Margaret Brampton 10b 625
Just when I thought I had this resolved, I notice the Margaret Bell, married Dec quarter, 1880, and that June quarter is Margaret ANN ........
And now we have a John Batey in the mix.
There is also a Margaret Bell m. Haltwhistle 1880 Q2 10b 421
My head hurts. CP
Had a go at tackling the problem from the other end by trying to track down John & Margaret Batey is the 1881 census and there was nobody of the right age. I did however come up with (RG11/5097 F84 P10):
John Batey, Head, 59, Ag Lab, b. Northumberland
Margaret Batey, Wife, 51, b. Acklington
Ann Batey, Dau, 11
James E Batey, Son, 8
In the 1871 census I came up with John Baty (49, Ag Lab) married to Mary and with (among others) a 1 year old daughter named Ann (Ref: RG10/5137 F126 p3).
Theory: John Batey was widowed sometime after 1871 and then married Margaret Heslop in 1880. Mary Ann Bell, Philip's daughter therefore married John Bell.
What do you think?
Al
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Found Margaret Ann and John Bell in 1891 (index had Beld instead of Bell):
at Farlam , Speltin Works?, ?burn Gate
John Bell 32 coal miner
Margaret Ann Bell wife 28
William 6
Tom 5
John Joseph 4
Robert James 2
Arthur 7 weeks
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And in 1901:
At Farlam Coalfell
John Bell 42 coal miner (deputy foreman) all born Farlam
Margaret A wife 38
William 16
Tom 15
John j 13 Hauking shaft foot
Herbert J 11 working on ??? (coal mine written above)
Arthur 10
George G 7
Margaret m 5
Christopher 3
ada 1
Catherine Armstrong serv 21 general serv domestic
If this is Margaret , Philip's daughter odd that with all those children one isn't named after him.
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Updated summaries, but haven't included our deliberations on Philip's daughter Margaret yet.
As well as trying to be sure of her marriage, can we find anything about Jane's in laws the Richardsons or John's in laws the Atkinsons.
Think we're going to need to find someone with easy access to Carlisle to check on the Upper Denton church records to conclude who our Philip's parents were.
Jo
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Historical background - Coal mines near Haltwhistle.
It would appear the mines or 'pits' in our area were all "drift mines", where the miners drove an inclined tunnel into the side of a hill and followed the gently-dipping seams of coal.
Not the deep mines with the sheave wheels set atop tall headgear, which is what comes to mind when coal is mentioned.
" In the Alston area at the border of Northumberland and Cumbria the Little Limestone Seam is very thin. At Ayle Colliery the miner is lying at the 40 cm high coal face in order to work the coal by a pneumatic pic."
http://www.mining-europe.de/smallmines/5/smallmines5.htm
Alston is just south of our area, and the pictures would be very typical.
More pictures and description of Ayle Colliery here:
http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/sites/a/ayle_colliery/index.shtml
http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/sites/a/ayle_colliery/index2.shtml
I have worked underground (not coal), and am stunned to find they were still mining like this in year 2000.
Tows Bank is very close to the Featherstone colliery. Pictures of the surface operations and surrounding countryside here:
http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/sites/t/tows_bank_colliery/index.shtml
http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/sites/t/tows_bank_colliery/index1.shtml
Description of Mining Occupations here:
http://www.dmm.org.uk/educate/mineocc.htm
See in particular "Hewers" and "Trappers"
"1849:
A little boy whose employment consists in opening and shutting a trap-door when required : his wages are 9d. or 10d. per day of 12 hours(1849). At present 1s. to 1s. 2d. per day of 8 hours. (1888). "
CP
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Haltwhistle (and others of "our" villages) brings up lots of fascinating hits on Google.
JAP
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wonderful background info CP. I'm used to the deep pits of south wales where my maternal grandmothers family were from 1870s. Mum's aunts remember the washing being as dirty when they brought it in from drying as it was when it went out.
Jo
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Hi All,
I noticed we didnt have Philip's wife after his death, so went looking for her on the 1901 census. Found her:
RG13/4827 Folio 72 Page 9
Park, Bellister, Haltwhistle
Margaret Head Widow 74 b-Brampton, Cumberland
Whats better, Is I think I have stumbled across Margaret (the daughter). In the household above Margaret (74) we find:
John Bell 43 Head Married Miner Coal b-Haltwhistle
Margaret A Bell 39 Wife Married b- Cumberland
Barbara A Bell 18 Daughter Single Dressmaker b-Northumberland
Philip H F Bell 9 Son b-Northumberland
L Jane Bell 8 Daughter b-Northumberland
Lucy Bell 5 Daughter b-Northumberland
Alice Mary Bell 2 Daughter b-Northumberland
John William Bell 7m Son b-Northumberland
I then looked on the 1891 and found them at Halton Lea Gate, Hartleyburn
(RG12/4250 Folio:50 Page:9)
John Bell 34/54 (First number could be a 3 or 5) Head Married Coal Miner b-Hartleyburn
Margaret A 29 Wife Married b-Midgeholm
Barbara A 8 Daughter b-Hartleyburn
Margaret 4 Daughter b-Hartleyburn
I think this seems to be "our" Margaret, ages fit and she has named children after her father Philip.
What do you all think?
Holly
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Births Found So Far:
Barbara Annie March Qtr 1883 Haltwhistle 10b 329
Philip Henry F Sept Qtr 1891 Haltwhistle 10b 361
Alice Mary Sept Qtr 1898 Haltwhistle 10b 405
John William Sept Qtr 1900 Haltwhistle 10b 410
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I found someone on Genesconnected who has Barbara Annie listed, I have sent them a message to tell them about the Challenge. Hopefully they will respond soon.
Holly
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well found Holly, certainly looks like our Margaret especially being close to her Mum and with the name Philip following through (all Philip's other children called a son after their father).
What do people think of this
6 Feb 1918 Thomas Henry Richardson = Emily Hind Turnbull St Peters Jarrow (genuki)
as Jane's sons marriage. In 1901 they were at Blaydon just west of Newcastle.
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And Jane's other son:
Isaac James Richardson marriage 1907 June qtr Gateshead. Possibly Mary Isabella Banks but theres also Stephen Charles Riches listed and no other female on Ancestry.co.uk
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the other female is Ellen Maude that could have married Isaac courtesy of FreeBMD
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Margaret's husband John Bell's family, I guess from his age , birthplace and his mother's name.
1861 at Hartleyburn, Halton Lee Gate:
John Bell 43 coal miner
Barbara wife 44
Jane dau 14 dressmaker
William son 12 coal miner
Mary Ann dau 9
Margaret dau 7
John son 4 all born Haltwhistle
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This John Bell married Barbara Teasdale 2 Jan 1848 at Haltwhistle (LDS entry on IGI)
or
John Bell married Jane Pickering/Barbara Waugh/3rd female missing on Ancestry.co.uk Dec qtr 1846 Haltswhistle
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Looks like thats John's family. As I noticed on IGI that some of his sisters were christened in Knarsdale, where John states he was born in 1881.
Jane Bell - 8 Aug 1845
Jane Bell - 21 Aug 1846
Margaret Bell - 19 Mar 1848
Holly
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This John Bell married Barbara Teasdale 2 Jan 1848 at Haltwhistle (LDS entry on IGI)
or
John Bell married Jane Pickering/Barbara Waugh/3rd female missing on Ancestry.co.uk Dec qtr 1846 Haltswhistle
From FreeBMD
Marriages Mar 1848
Lee Thomas Haltwhistle 25 225
Leighton Matthew Haltwhistle 25 225
Little Jane Haltwhistle 25 225
Taylor Catharine Haltwhistle 25 225
Teasdale Barbara Haltwhistle 25 225
From 1837online marriages 1848 March q
Bell John Haltwhistle xxv 225
From FreeBMD
Marriages Dec 1846
Bell John Haltwhistle 25 335
Brown Isabella Haltwhistle 25 335
Makepeace John Haltwhistle 25 335
Pickering Jane Haltwhistle 25 335
Smith Edward Haltwhistle 25 335
Snowdon Thomas Haltwhistle 25 335
Waugh Barbara Haltwhistle 25 335
Marriages Dec 1846
Coats Ann Haltwhistle 25 336
Dowley Mary Ann Haltwhistle 25 336
Hutchinson Thomas Haltwhistle 25 336
Johnson James Haltwhistle 25 336
Wallis William Haltwhistle 25 336
Waugh Edward Haltwhistle 25 336
Waugh Mary Ann Haltwhistle 25 336
CP
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The IGI shows John Bell marrying ISABELLA BROWN 19th November 1846 and Barbara Waugh Marrying THOMAS SNOWDON 24th October 1846
Holly
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Looks like thats John's family. As I noticed on IGI that some of his sisters were christened in Knarsdale, where John states he was born in 1881.
Jane Bell - 8 Aug 1845
Jane Bell - 21 Aug 1846
Margaret Bell - 19 Mar 1848
Holly
If these are John's (Philip's daughter Margaret's husband so no Bell confusion) that would give a marriage date for (father) John and Barbara before 1845.
Barbara must have died between 1861 and 71:
1871 Hartleyburn, Halton Lea Gate
John Bell widower 53 coal miner
Mary Ann dau 18 general servant
John son 13 coal miner all born Haltwhistle
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Hi guys
Is this a possible for P BS grand daughter Margaret Annie
by Jane and Thomas Richardson
Marriages March quarter1908 Brampton
Margaret Annie Richardson 10b 723
Mary Jane Bell 10b 723
Thomas Douglas 10b 723
Tom Fallowfield Mounsey 10b 723
(now theres a name to have)
After this lots of births but no give aways in the names
Tazzie
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I started out looking for John Bell, husband of Margaret.
John b. 1818 Haltwhistle
Project got a little out of hand.
I extracted from IGI all John Bell, b. Haltwhistle 1813-1823
Index Year Date Name s/d Father Mother Surname
1 1813 26-Jun John s Robert Mary Brown Bell
2 1813 15-Aug John s Thomas Mary Glenwright Bell
3 1814 John s Isabella
4 c 1815 John s Thomas
5 1816 13-Apr John s Joseph
6 1816 21-May John s Anthony Catherine Bell
7 1817 13-Apr John s Joseph Mary Charlton Bell
8 1817 15-Jun John s William Rachel Hawkin Bell
9 1819 3-Apr John s James Lucy Hutchinson Bell
10 c 1820 John s Henry
11 1820 11-Jun John s Thomas Mary Charlton
12 1820 20-Aug John s John Ann
Then I tried to find the other children of the identified parents:
Index Year Date Name s/d Father Mother Surname
1 1813 26-Jun John s Robert Mary Brown Bell
1814 6-Nov William s Robert Mary Bell
1816 12-Apr George s Robert Mary Bell
1818 16-Nov Ann d Robert Mary Bell
1821 17-Mar Marten s Robert Mary Bell
1821 15-Nov Robert s Robert Mary Bell
1822 17-Mar Margaret d Robert Mary Bell
1823 19-Feb Mary Anne s Robert Mary Bell
1825 13-Feb Margaret d Robert Mary Bell
1827 15-May Robert s Robert Mary Bell
1827 20-May Jane d Robert Mary Bell
1830 21-Feb Isaac s Robert Mary Bell
1831 13-Mar John s Robert Mary Bell
1831 23-Mar George s Robert Mary Bell
1833 10-Feb Hannah d Robert Mary Bell
1835 8-Feb William s Robert Mary Bell
1840 26-Jul James s Robert Mary Bell
2 1804 26-Oct Elizabeth d Thomas Mary Glenwright Bell
1809 27-Jan Margaret d Thomas Mary Twedale Bell
1809 19-Apr Ann d Thomas Mary Glenwright Bell
1811 3-Feb James s Thomas Mary Tweddle Bell
1811 12-Mar Isabella d Thomas Mary Glenwright Bell
1813 15-Aug John s Thomas Mary Glenwright Bell
1813 29-Aug Thomas s Thomas Mary Bell
1814 11-Dec Thomas s Thomas Mary Bell
1816 7-Apr Matthew s Thomas Mary Bell
1816 6-Oct Matthew s Thomas Mary Bell
1817 15-Jun Philip s Thomas Mary Bell
1818 19-Apr Matthew s Thomas Mary Bell
1819 27-Jun Luny ? Thomas Mary Bell
1820 11-Jun John s Thomas Mary Bell
1822 10-Feb Elizabeth d Thomas Mary Bell
1822 1-Dec Hannah d Thomas Mary Bell
1823 15-Jun William s Thomas Mary Bell
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Index Year Date Name s/d Father Mother Surname
6 1813 5-May Margaret d Anthony Catherine Bell
1816 21-May John s Anthony Catherine Bell
1821 15-Sep William s Anthony Catherine Bell
7 1805 26-Mar Thomas s Joseph Mary Charlton Bell
1807 14-Jul Ann d Joseph Mary Charlton Bell
1809 29-Sep William s Joseph Mary Charlton Bell
1814 29-May Matthew s Joseph Mary Bell
1814 29-May Joseph s Joseph Mary Bell
1817 13-Apr John s Joseph Mary Charlton Bell
1819 19-Sep Charlton s Joseph Mary Bell
8 1813 7-Nov Henry s William Rachel Bell
1815 23-Jul William s William Rachel Bell
1817 15-Jun John s William Rachel Hawkin Bell
1819 9-May Joseph s William Rachel Bell
1821 4-Mar Thomas s William Rachel Bell
9 1812 3-Aug Mary d James Lucy Bell
1815 1-Dec Margaret d James Lucy Bell
1819 3-Apr John s James Lucy Hutchinson Bell
1823 7-Dec James s James Lucy Bell
11 1820 11-Jun John s Thomas Mary Charlton
12 1815 2-Nov Joseph s John Ann Bell
1817 26-Oct Mary d John Ann Bell
1820 20-Aug John s John Ann Bell
1822 15-Sep Anne d John Ann Bell
1825 8-May Jane d John Ann Bell
1827 27-May William s John Ann Bell
1831 12-Jun George s John Ann Bell
1834 5-Oct Tamar d John Ann Bell
There are too many Bells with same names and overlapping dates.
Someone may find this useful. CP
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no wonder we've got problems ;D and those are just the ones in Haltwhistle
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Hi all (well if you are still awake)
Have been looking for PBs wife Margaret
and found March 1907 death Margaret Bell age 79
Haltwhistle 10b 257
So many Bells all with same names I am losing the plot and going to bed good luck the rest of you !
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I've given up on this challenge already :(
All these Bells are giving me a headache ;D
Jan
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I've given up on this challenge already :(
All these Bells are giving me a headache ;D
Jan
I think the technical term is Tinitus(?) - ringing in th ears ::)
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Margaret's husband John Bell's family, I guess from his age , birthplace and his mother's name.
1861 at Hartleyburn, Halton Lee Gate:
John Bell 43 coal miner
Barbara wife 44
Jane dau 14 dressmaker
William son 12 coal miner
Mary Ann dau 9
Margaret dau 7
John son 4 all born Haltwhistle
John's wife is Barbara Teasdale.
Supported by BMD and IGI.
She should be easy (easier ?) to trace.
CP
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We are close to Scotland.
Can someone remind us of the naming tradition?
We may have "Lucy" skipping a generation.
CP
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I've given up on this challenge already :(
All these Bells are giving me a headache ;D
Jan
"... the tintinnabulation ...
From the Bells, Bells, Bells, Bells,
Bells, Bells, Bells-
... the swinging and the ringing
Of the Bells, Bells, Bells,
Of the Bells, Bells, Bells, Bells,
Bells, Bells, Bells-
...
Oh, the Bells, Bells, Bells!
... the Bells-
... the Bells, Bells, Bells, Bells,
Bells, Bells, Bells-
... the throbbing of the Bells-
... the Bells, Bells, Bells-
... the sobbing of the Bells;
... the rolling of the Bells-
... the Bells, Bells, Bells:
... the tolling of the Bells,
... the Bells, Bells, Bells, Bells-
Bells, Bells, Bells-
... the moaning and the groaning of the Bells."
With apologies to Edgar Allen Poe:
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~nmoreira/poetry/poe.html
Sorry ::)
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on the IGI - there is a Jane Bell christened at Presbyterian NC Haltwhistle Northumberland.
The birthdate is listed as June 15 1857, christened on JUly 16 1857, parenst listed as Philip Bell and Mary.
Thought this was worth a look.
Tom
A lookup in the Haltwhistle 1851 census index has given:
Folio 214
Hannah 93
Philip 40
Mary 42
William 16
Thomas 63
Helen 46
The index doesn't give anything else unfortunately.
If Philip and Mary were together it may account for the Jane baptised in Haltwhistle 1857. Bell is such a common name, but could it be possible that Philip remarried; Margaret was quite a bit younger than Philip. Its possibly odd that we haven't got a son of Philip and Margaret called Philip, all their children called one of their sons Philip. Was their a Philip by a previous marriage?
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I think the technical term is Tinitus(?) - ringing in the ears ::)
Oh yes, of course it is Al ;D :D
"... the tintinnabulation ...
From the Bells, Bells, Bells, Bells,
Bells, Bells, Bells-
... the swinging and the ringing
Of the Bells, Bells, Bells,
Of the Bells, Bells, Bells, Bells,
Bells, Bells, Bells-
...
Oh, the Bells, Bells, Bells!
... the Bells-
... the Bells, Bells, Bells, Bells,
Bells, Bells, Bells-
... the throbbing of the Bells-
... the Bells, Bells, Bells-
... the sobbing of the Bells;
... the rolling of the Bells-
... the Bells, Bells, Bells:
... the tolling of the Bells,
... the Bells, Bells, Bells, Bells-
Bells, Bells, Bells-
... the moaning and the groaning of the Bells."
STOP! STOP! STOP! Enough of the Bells ;D
Anyway, now back to the serious matter of the August Challenge............................ ;)
Jan
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Re the 1851 list from Haltwhistle: There is though a Philip Bell age 50 widower in Haltwhistle in 1861.
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Project got a little out of hand.
cep, you're clearly not a person who likes half measures! ;D
Wonder if these Bells had any prior link to whisky? :)
cheers
Paul
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Re the 1851 list from Haltwhistle: There is though a Philip Bell age 50 widower in Haltwhistle in 1861.
If you have access to 1851, I would like to know parents of the farming Bells, please.
1861 Melkridge RG9 3867 16 p7
[Melkridge is just East of Haltwhistle]
Horse Close
John Fairlamb, head, unm, 26, Farmer 40 ac, b. Haltwhistle
Jane Fairlamb, sister, unm, 28, Housekeeper, b. Haltwhistle
Mary Fairlamb, sister, unm, 23, Dressmaker, b. Haltwhistle
Jane Bell, neice, 13, Domestic Serv, b. Haltwhistle
Next door:
Vicars Allotment
Robert Bell jnr, head, unm, 24, Farmer, b. Haltwhistle
Philip Bell, brother, unm, 21, Farmer, b. Haltwhistle
William Bell, brother, unm, 17, Scholar, b. Haltwhistle
Sarah Bell, sister, unm, 19, Farmers dau, b. Haltwhistle
Margaret Garner, sister, mar, Doctors wife, b. Haltwhistle
Harriet M Garner, neice, 9, Scholar, b. Haltwhistle
Robert Garner, nephew, 6, Scholar, b. Haltwhistle
CP
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We are connected somehow to this lot:
http://www.dur.ac.uk/j.d.little/family/Hudspith.html
Someone please follow up, I am busy with the farmers in Melkridge.
CP
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Hi CEP
Duly contacted -well spotted!
cheers
Paul
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Summaries updated to include Philip's daughter Margaret and her family. Her in law Bells have been posted as well (reply #2). We haven't got anything yet on John's in laws; he married Hannah Mitchelson Atkinson 1892. Neither do we have Jane's in laws,; she married Thomas Richardson 1878.
Jo
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Naming Tradition
From June Challenge:
by JoT
Scottish naming tradition has it that (with some variations according to family):
1st son - paternal grandfather
2nd son - maternal grandfather
3rd son - father
1st daughter - maternal grandmother
2nd daughter - paternal grandmother
3rd daughter - mother
by liverpool annie
Irish naming patterns
First son after father's father
Second son after mother's father
Third son after father
Fourth son after father's oldest brother
Fifth son after mother's oldest brother
First daughter after mother's mother (or father's mother)
Second daughter after father's mother (or mother's mother)
Third daughter after mother
Fourth daughter after mother's oldest sister
Fifth daughter after father's oldest sister
Our Philip Bell, b. 1821 has
Daughter Jane: First son = Philip b. 1881
Son Anthony: First son = Philip b. 1895
Daughter Margaret: First son = Philip b. 1892
Son John: Second son = Philip b. 1895
Our Philip named his first son Anthony.
So his (Philip's) father MAY be Anthony.
From Summaries:
1857 June 16 possible chr Jane Bell parents Philip and Mary Bell Presyterian NC Haltwhistle (page 4)
Family may be Presbyterian.
From my post page 7:
Year Date Name s/d Father Mother Surname
1813 5-May Margaret d Anthony Catherine(Kirk) Bell
1816 21-May John s Anthony Catherine(Kirk) Bell
1821 15-Sep William s Anthony Catherine(Kirk) Bell
These were from the Presbyterian register, Haltwhistle. IGI C002862
CP
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Also listed on IGI is another child to Anthony Bell & Catherine Kirk:
Elizabeth b-7 December 1811, christened 12 April 1812, Haltwhistle.
Wasnt P.B born 1811/12?
Holly
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Anthony Bell m. Catherine Kirk
2 mar 1811, Haltwhistle
IGI Extracted entry. M002851
CP
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Anthony m. 1811, so possibly b. c 1785
Naming tradition: His father MAY be Philip.
Anthony Bell b. 29 Aug 1783, Lanercost
Parents Philip & Margaret
IGI Extract P001921
Patron submissions give mother as Margaret Bowman
but wrong (mistranscribed?) date.
We need a Margaret!
CP
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CEP
Could this be our Margaret
B @ 1812
C 5 MAY 1813
MARGARET daughter of ANTONY BELL
& CATHERINE KIRK
HIGH SCOTCOULTERD
HALTWHISTLE
NORTHUMBERLAND
married 12 Dec 1838 to George Kirk
died 20 Sept 1887
With Haltwhisle showing as CUMBERLAND and NORTHUMBERLAND we are again crossing borders
TAZZIE
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Tazzie,
That is certainly the Margaret baptised at Haltwhistle Presbyterian.
What is your source, please?
Regards CP
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Hi CEP
just sheer brilliance......
well that or trawling through the IGI for the last 3 hours then tried all of UK and the word Haltwhistle leapt out
Is it in Cumberland or Northumberland ?
Anyway that rush of blood to the head means I need to go and lie down so clocking off for now
bye TAZZIE
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Check her on 1861!
The children have all the right names, and we can get George's parents!
CP
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Absolutely Priceless!
Maps, villages, farms, names.
http://www.dickinsons-of-whitfield.org/TownsAndFarms.html
CP
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Here we go with another a nother batch...........
Margaret Bell married George Kirk 12 Dec 1838
Georges parents George Kirk and Margaret Craig
George dies 31 May 1857
as I have not got census access I took a chance and jumped to 1881 where I found
Margaret w 67 b Henshaw farmer 317 acs
William son 41
John son 40
Elizabeth dau 36
Margeret dau 28
Annie dau 25
George g/son 13
all at a farm in CADGERFORD HENSHAW
George died at CADGERFORD in 1857
Will go and check all other options or am I going back too far now
TAZZIE
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WITH BIG BIG THANKS TO A POSTING ANSWERED BY CAZ...........
1861 Margaret Kirk head /wid b1814 Hanshaw
William b1840
John b1841
Catherine b1843
Antony b1847
Elizabeth b1847
Margaret b 1853
& Anne b 1856
Tazzie
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Sorry been away from this a while; trying desperately to finish decorating before school starts next week.
Realise you're having fun here with the Bells, but we can't link them up to Philip on just a supposition of the naming tradition, can we?
I would agree that the name Anthony is one likely to be in the family as surely its not that common. 1861 shows only 6 born in cumberland between 1810 and 1850, plus of course ours who's down as Beed, and only 8 born in Northumberland between 1790 and 1855. A search on ancestry.co for registrations of Anthony Bell in Cumberland over 1837 - 1877 has only 11 results for the whole county with only 1 death in Brampton district 1842; Northumberland has more results for the county but with only, in Haltwhistle district, 2 births 1853, 1859.
Jo
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Our Philip was born in Upper Denton according to the censuses, in 1817 according to death registration and 1891 census (1820/21 according to other censuses). Others born at Denton in 1861 census:
at Farlam:
John Bell unmar 64 Land proprietor born Denton
Rachel sister unmar 58 housekeeper born Farlam
William brother unmar 42 ag lab born Farlam
at 17 Bloomfield Road, Paddington
James T Bell 56 late captain royal Westmorland Militia born Denton
Louisa wife 55 born Middlesex
at Brampton
John Bell 70 cotton weaver born Denton
Jane wife 65 all cotton weavers born Brampton
John son 32
Richard son 28
Margaret dau 16
at Upper Denton
Thomas Bell 48 landed proprietor all born Denton
Mary wife 45
Jane dau 10
mary Ann Ferguson granddau 3
at Fenton
John Bell 60 ag lab born Denton
Mary wife 60 born Yorkshire
at Upper Denton
John Bell 39 Tailor employs 2 born Denton
Elizabeth wife 50 born Brampton
George Foster app 16 apprentice
William Carridie? app 15 apprentice
There's also others born at Nether Denton, which is on the way to Brampton from Denton. Will get those next.
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Loking at the Bells born in Denton according to the 1861:
John, Rachel and William were children of James Bell and Mary Richardson
John born 18 Feb 1797 chr 23 Jan 1800 at Farlam
Rachel chr 3 Feb 1803 at Farlam
William chr 8 Jan 1819 Farlam
also Joseph born 21 Fb 1799 chr 25 Jan 1800 Farlam
Ann chr 29 Dec 1800 Farlam
James chr 25 Dec 1807 Farlam
Mary chr 14 July 1811 Farlam
James Thomas Bell chr 28 Dec 1808 at Brampton, parents James Bell and Mary Robinson
also John chr 17 May 1801
Elizabeth chr 28 Dec 1808
Looking for Thomas Bell I found:
LDS record Thomas Bell chr 20 Dec 1812 Over Denton Nailor
parish record Thomas Bell chr 20 Dec 1812 Lanercost
parents Anthony Bell and Jane Graham who were married at Lanercost 25 Nov 1812 (LDS record)
Upper Denton was also known as Over Denton.
Our Philip had 2 children Anthony and Jane.
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Our Philip Bell, b. 1820, married Margaret Unknown, date unknown.
Looking at births of known children, assume marriage sometime 1855 - 1858.
FreeBMD, Ancestry, have only one Philip Bell married in this period.
Gateshead Q1 1858 10a 532
Also checked images from 1837online - no other Philip Bell marriage.
And the reference 10a 532 is right - at least, I cannot make anything different from it.
Gateshead 10a 532 does not show any other persons.
I cannot find any Philip Bell in 1861 census who might, reasonably, have married at Gateshead in 1858.
There is a Gateshead connection;
Philip's son, John Bell, b. 1867, married there, 1892
Spouse: Hannah Mitchelson Atkinson
Possibilities:
Our Philip DID marry in Gateshead
Married pre-1855
Marriage never registered
Philip has another name
Thoughts? CP
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Margaret's husband John Bell's family, I guess from his age , birthplace and his mother's name.
1861 at Hartleyburn, Halton Lee Gate:
John Bell 43 coal miner
Barbara wife 44
Jane dau 14 dressmaker
William son 12 coal miner
Mary Ann dau 9
Margaret dau 7
John son 4 all born Haltwhistle
John's wife is Barbara Teasdale.
Supported by BMD and IGI.
She should be easy (easier ?) to trace.
CP
Barbara b. 1817, from 1861 census.
Barbara Teasdale bap. 19 Oct 1817, Haltwhistle
Parents: William & Hannah LDS Extract P002851
Children of William & Hannah (Bushby) from P002851
Sarah 1802
William 1804
John 1807
Thomas 1810
Hannah 1812
Isabella 1815
Barbara 1817
Matthew 1820
Jacob 1822
Obadiah 1826
CP
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Philip is destined to elude us, even a earlier marriage for a Philip Bell at Hexham Northumberland Dec qtr 1842 has no one else on the page at Ancestry.co!!
Doesn't feel right somehow for Philip and Margaret to marry in Gateshead when both are down as being born local to Denton in the censuses and the children were born local as well.
John was in Gateshead in 1891 boarding with sister Jane and family. I guess her husband Thomas Richardson moved over for work in the mines as he was a colliery engineer. John could have just been in Gateshead through hearing about work from his sister.
On the other hand I can't see Philip being down in the marriage registers with another name since his name has been consistant.
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Doesn't feel right somehow for Philip and Margaret to marry in Gateshead when both are down as being born local to Denton in the censuses and the children were born local as well.
Mary may have come with parents to our area at young age, then returned to ancestral home for marriage?
CP
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Philip is destined to elude us, even a earlier marriage for a Philip Bell at Hexham Northumberland Dec qtr 1842 has no one else on the page at Ancestry.co!!
Hexham Marriages Vol 25 Page 349
BIRKIT, Thomas 1842 December Marriages Hexham Northumberland
Johnson, Ann 1842 December Marriages Hexham Northumberland
Ridley, Isabella 1842 December Marriages Hexham Northumberland
Looking at the image for Philip Bell, he should be on this page.
CP
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Just checked the image of the index for q Dec 1842 and it definitely says 25 349 for Philip.
Unfortunately I think there were 4 couples per page in the registers of this period so we're still missing 4 people including the person Philip married. We're fairly certain he didn't marry Isabella or Ann and even more certain he didn't marry Thomas ;D
Al
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Need someone who has this microfiche to find our Philip:
Croglin, Farlam, Nether Denton & Over Denton Baptisms, Marriages & Burials 1813-1839 £4.50
Indexed by G. Bell & C. Yellowley.
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carol80 posted this link Page 2
http://edenlinks.rootsweb.com/1gp/ak/INDEX.HTM
Atkinson - Bell in North Cumberland
B, M & D
CP
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I checked through that link a number of times. It has Births, marriages and burials at St. Cuthbert's, Nether Denton and St. Mary Magdalene, Lanercost. Although there seem to be some entries at Lanercost of people living at Upper Denton, there seems to have a church at Upper (Over) Denton as well.
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On that site I found baptism of John Bell, s. of Philip & Margaret, b. 1867
If you search there, try "Phillip", two 'el'
I am still 'analyzing the data' !
CP
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Looking at the Bells born Nether Denton in the 1861 and then trying to find them on the IGI brought up:
Edward Bell chr 13 Feb 1820 Nether Denton mother Margaret Bell C059461
Edward Bell chr 13 Feb 1820 Over Denton mother Margaret Bell C059431
Both batch numbers link to same list.
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Lanercost batch number P001921
includes Lancelot Bell chr 23 Apr 1771!!
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Philip and Margaret Bell christened the following at Lanercost:
Margaret 3 Jun 1772
Jane 30 Apr 1775
Elizabeth 1 Mar 1778
Ann 18 Feb 1781
Philip and Anthony 29 Aug 1783
John 23 Jan 1786
John 29 Mar 1789
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Possible Bell Baptisms, Burials & Marriages in the Denton area of Cumberland. They might be useful later. :)
http://edenlinks.rootsweb.com/1gp/ak/INDEX.HTM
AHEM cep - Just so you know - I posted this link on page 1. :)
I figured it might be useful later - and 10 pages later it IS being useful. :)
BD
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We are connected somehow to this lot:
http://www.dur.ac.uk/j.d.little/family/Hudspith.html
Someone please follow up, I am busy with the farmers in Melkridge.
CP
Response from Mr Little has been to send me another contact who is searching the Hudspiths, so I have now e-mailed them and asked them to look at this thread.
cheers
Paul
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We are connected somehow to this lot:
http://www.dur.ac.uk/j.d.little/family/Hudspith.html
Someone please follow up, I am busy with the farmers in Melkridge.
CP
Hi CEP
I've had a response from a Dave Hudspith who has looked at (I think) some of this thread, but hasn't been able to work out how his ancestors are linked here.
Do you have any pointers?
cheers
Paul
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We seem to have got to the point of being completely stuck :) We have some possibilities for Philip's ancestry and possibilies for his wife Margaret's maiden name but nothing that we can be in any way sure about. Even trying to follow up his daughter Jane's in laws and his son John's in laws is problematic with a number of Thomas Richardsons in the area and loads of Hannah M Atkinsons.
Don't know where else to look.
I think all we can say is that should someone from the family come along one day there is enough here with the addition of a couple of certificates to give them a good helping hand.
Can people please consider whether they would like to host September's challenge? I really can't do one during term time and to be honest I'm quite glad we've got stuck this month as the start of term this week has been beyond hectic ::)
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Well done, JoT, (and everyone else) in taking this as far as you have!
As you say, this is a great helping hand that's awaiting any member of this family who might be looking.
As per previous months, any volunteers might care to PM JoT. Its the 'pleasure' of each month's host to choose the next one!
cheers
Paul
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Burrow Digger has kindly (or is that madly?) volunteered to host September's challenge. I'm certianly looking forward to escaping the Bells ;D
Jo
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Well done Burrow-Digger - must be mad ::)
and well done Jo - I got thoroughly confused by the Bell's as I followed the challenge :o
Susan ;D
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soooo
do you'all want me to wait till Sept 1st?
that will give you all a 10 day break to enjoy the summer with no guilt & get the kids ready to go back to school :)
since I'm in Canada - timewise I am 5 hours behind the UK - so it will BE Sept first when I post :)
BD
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Hi BD
I agree - I think a well-earned break is in order! Its been a slow month on Rootschat but hopefuly the approach of Autumn (and September 1st!) will bring renewed vigour to bear on yet another random 'victim' from 1881! :)
cheers
Paul
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so JOT do you have any final summary fo the BELL family? I hate seeing a thread just sort of fizzle out..... :)
BD
(just 7 more days until the new challenge starts) :)
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I'll do a final summary at the weekend so if anyone has an urge to be lucky and uncover some vital clue please post before saturday ;D
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1861
Brampton waterhead cumberland
RG9/3908 folio 20 Page 5
Philip Bell Head Mar 41 Joiner Cumberland, Upper Denton
Margaret do wife Mar 32 Northumberland, Haltwhistle
Jane do daur 3 do do
Anthony do son 1 do do
I've got nothing to contribute to the genealogy, I desperately wish I had, but what I can do is tell you that Waterhead is a fantastically popular tourist location in the middle of the Lake District. For those of you who are overseas you should know that this is probably one of the most visited places in the country. Mountains and lakes and sheer beauty (and millions of cars and tourists). Wordsworth wrote his poetry here and Beatrix Potter drew her little animals.
Here is a link to a hotel at Waterhead so you can have an idea what it is like now.
It is close to Ambleside which is one of the main towns in the Lake District
http://www.lakesbreaks.com/ambleside-hotels_s6905/
Best wishes
Louise
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Good luck Burrow Digger.
This was the first time I had a go and it was great fun even if I did start to lose the plot with all those Bells .
Roll on 1st September will be back to you all then.
TAZZIE
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The September Challenge has now been opened by Burrow Digger, at:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=85358.new#new
Good hunting!
Paul
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hi
is any one looking for aelizabeth bell married to a joseph pearson in cumberland they married in about
1812
there is a margaret bell married to a john pearson he is a brother to joseph
all from cumberland
also looking for info on a william pearson who whent to work for the hewetson family he is a miner
we have him in 1851 census in hartleyburn (district 5a) we have not got the 1861 census
thanks