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Title: Alfred Alford and Margaret Dunbar marriage
Post by: Kipper5 on Thursday 20 July 17 23:41 BST (UK)
Hello,

I wonder if anyone can help..
I am trying to find the marriage record of Alfred Alford, woodcarver born c1817 in London and Margaret Dunbar, born in Dublin 1828.
Their children Alfred and Frances Margaret were baptised on 20 June 1848 in St Annes, Shankill, Belfast and then Emma and Flora were baptised on 10 August 1850 at St Georges, Belfast, and finally Alfred and Anna Maria were baptised on 20 October 1859 in Ballymena.

They must have moved round but I know that they settled in Derry and Alfred died there in 1865.

I just can't find any marriage record, presumably between 1844 and 1847 anywhere.

Any help appreciated.
Title: Re: Alfred Alford and Margaret Dunbar marriage
Post by: richerthanuthink on Monday 12 November 18 19:20 GMT (UK)
I have the 22 June 1881 Marriage Registration for James Russell and Annie(Anna) Maria Alford in Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
 Her parents are listed as Alfred Alford (woodcarver) and Margaret Elliott.  there is also a Samuel Elliott as a witness.
So here are my thoughts on the following notes from some of my mom’s research:
Alfred Alford, Margaret’s husband was a woodcarver who lived in Londonderry City. He and 3 of his children died there during a cholera epidemic 1858/60. 2 children survived. Annie Maria Alford (1855-1931) and Alfred Alford born in 1854. he served in WWI. 

So this being the case, if Margaret was a Dunbar that remarried an Elliott, prior to her daughters marriage, she would be listed as such. Samuel Elliott is listed as a witness, is this her 2nd husband?  According to my notes, Margaret's Father was a Laurence Dunbar married to a Mary Clarke with 4 children (Margaret b. 1828, John b. 1825, Bridget b. 1831, and Richard b. 1837)
Title: Re: Alfred Alford and Margaret Dunbar marriage
Post by: dathai on Tuesday 13 November 18 13:34 GMT (UK)
Have you looked at the actual register from 20th Oct to 27th Oct 1859 it appears to say Margaret Alford alias Dunbar also got baptised
right hand page
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633106#page/43/mode/1up
Title: Re: Alfred Alford and Margaret Dunbar marriage
Post by: dathai on Wednesday 14 November 18 10:51 GMT (UK)
I think there needs a bit of research to be done to sort out this family

This looks like Alfred jnr in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Lurgan_Urban/Union_Street/1026496/

Jane died 1906
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1906/05556/4559350.pdf

1911 a widower age 30 ? with son Frederick age 14
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Portadown_Urban/Carrickblacker_Road/299360/

actual census shows him to be 50/51
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001592612/

married Jane Mitchell in 1882
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1882/10975/8011922.pdf

married Elizabeth Craig in 1913
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1913/09886/5591467.pdf

seems a bit old for WW1
perhap's this man born London
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kildare/Morristownbiller/Common/568023/

who happen's to have a father Alfred but he's a polisher
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1907/10108/5677709.pdf

or his son
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5CF-54D
born 1883
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1883/02728/2003423.pdf


Title: Re: Alfred Alford and Margaret Dunbar marriage
Post by: dathai on Wednesday 14 November 18 19:23 GMT (UK)
Alfred 1859 appears to be buried in Belfast Cemetery 1937 age 78
wife Elizabeth C age 84 in 1970
https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialSearch.aspx?GraveSection=F1&GraveNumber=395&CemeteryName=City%20Cemetery

1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Portadown_Urban/West_Street/301183/

Robert was a widower in 1881 on marriage to Harriett McCleave
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1881/11015/8027710.pdf
Title: Re: Alfred Alford and Margaret Dunbar marriage
Post by: dathai on Wednesday 05 December 18 13:12 GMT (UK)
Margaret Alford widow of a woodcarver died 1896 at Ashfield Terrace,Londonderry age 68 informant
Anna M Russell dtr
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1896/05899/4673671.pdf

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Londonderry_Urban_No__1/Marlborough_Avenue/1535177/