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HI
I've just found this entry for 1851
Samuel WEEDARD born Clophill circa 1816 living in Bedfordshire
I think this might be a weird mistranscription of Underwood. Woul SKS check the original entry for me please?
Cheers jan ;)
Sadly he is nowhere to be found in Bedfordshire :'(
Samuel UNDERWOOD born Clophill Beds circa 1822 occupation plasterer
In 1861 he is in Luton married to Hannah born Wavendham Bucks circa 1829, but as their eldest child is only 8 I don't know whether they were already married in 1851.
Thanks in anticipation
Jan ;)
Anyone able to have a look for him on the index please? He doesn't appear to be in Luton or Clophill.
Cheers Jan :'(
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Hi Jan
FreeBMD has a marriage in Luton in Sept quarter 1850 of Samuel Underwood. One of the other parties is a Hannah Payne. If this is your couple then unfortunately they are probably in Luton in Mar 1851!
Does anyone have access to the 1851 index? If they do please post the reference quickly as I'm about to embark on a trawl through!
David
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Hi David
Thanks that marriage is a possibility. There is an extracted IGI ref, it is Hannah Payne that Samuel married so seems a likely bet. If it is any help, they are in St Mary's Parish on all other censuses - Albert Rd in 1861. Thanks once more for your efforts.
Best wishes Jan ;)
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Haven't found Samuel yet in Luton, but have found the following
HO107/1757 Folio 567A
Barbers Lane Luton
Charles Underwood h m 36 stone mason journeyman b Clophill
Jane Underwood wife 39 b Bedford
Emma Underwood dau 14 Straw bonnet sewer b Maulden
Sarah Underwood dau 4 Scholar b Luton
Elizabeth Underwood dau 2 b Luton
Might be Sam's brother?
Do you want Clophill 1851 as well?
Regards
David
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Hi Jan
Been through Luton twice with no success I'm afraid.
The only Underwoods in Clophill in 1851 were
High St
Thomas Underwood h m 38 ag lab b Herts Exton (Hexton???)
Sarah Underwood wife 33 b Clophill
Mary Spicer lodger unm 24 dressmaker b Middx Battle Bridge
Regards
David
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Hi David
The Bedfordshire FHS 1851 index has Samuel's brothers John, George, & Benjamin living together at Clophill, but no entry for Samuel at Clophill. Unless I'm missing something the index doesn't semm to give the complete reference. If you find them I would be very interested in seeing a transcription.
Paul
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Thanks once more David - trawling through Luton twice :o you deserve a medal ;D ;)
Jan
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Hi Paul
Does your 1851 index cover all Beds? If so could you see if Samuel is anywhere in the county and post ref if you find him please?
Thanks
Jan ;)
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Hi Jan
I only have 2 of the 25 books in the Bedfordshire 1851 Census Index series. The ones I have are Volume 4 Book1 (Shillington, Gravenhurst, Silsoe, Clophill, & Holwell) and Volume 4 Book 2 (Haynes, Houghton Conquest, Ampthill, & Maulden). Samuel isn't in either of them. In fact there are no other Underwoods apart from the ones at Clophill.
I would have checked these earlier but I haven't looked at them for about 5 years and I had a bit of trouble finding them ::)
Paul
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Thanks for looking Paul.
Jan ;)
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It only looks like Underwood if you blow it up! Honestly!
High St Clophill
John Underwood head widower 42 cordwainer b Clophill
George Underwood brother 32 ag lab b Clophill
Benjamin Underwood brother 25 cordwainer b Clophill
Thomas Squires bro in law marr 25 wheeler and cooper b Streatley
Sarah Squires wife 22 b Clophill
Regards
David
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Thanks David. Enumerators' writing certainly can be appalling.
Maybe someone with index will be able to find Samuel - criggy where are you?
Jan ;)
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Yes, thank you David. I'd long suspected that George's sister Sarah married Thomas Squires.
Paul
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Paul, I've just noticed that are two daughters on the next page, despite a blank line at the bottom of the page after Sarah Squires. If it wasn't a continuation you would never had read Squires!
Mary Ann Squires dau of Thomas 2 b Clophill
Sarah Elizabeth Squires dau 7mths b Clophill
Regards
David
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Cheers David. I'd presumed those two had died before the census.
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Hi everyone
I haven't a copy of any 1851 index booklets myself I'm afraid so can only look things up on shopping trips to Luton or Bedford libraries.
However, I am going to Bedford (dentist :() on Tuesday so if there is an area you would like me to check I will look for Samuel Underwood in one or two more of the other census booklets if I have time.
I think (from memory) I came across a baptism for a Samuel Underwood, son of Thomas & Elizabeth on the IGI (Methodist). Have you checked this entry in the Methodist circuit book for a place of abode? If not they may have a copy at Bedford library!
If it would help I could check out the Underwood burials for you at my local library sometime.
Regards
criggy
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Hi Criggy
Didn't realise you had to go to the library to look in index - just recalled you kindly finding my Farrs in 51. Not sure where to suggest - Samuel was born in Clophill and was there with family in 41 but isn't there or in any parish in Vol4 books 1 and 2 in 51. He and his wife Hannah are in Luton (St Mary's) in 61 and onwards and I also have a probable marriage for them in 1850 in St Marys, so that is where I would have expected to find them. However David has made a marathon trawl (twice!) through Luton and been unable to find them. Given enumerators' appalling handwriting perhaps you could check Luton index just in case? and nearby parishes such as Stopsley if possible? Whatever you have time for.
Yes I've seen the IGI entry for Samuel's probable birth, but what is the Methodist circuit book?
Thanks for your kind offer. Good luck with the dentist.
Regards Jan ;)
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Hi there
Will see what I can do.
The Methosist/Wesylan ministers had/have several parishes which they visit in turn. The baptisms are then entered in a single book which covers all these parishes & usually states where they were from.
I have just checked the IGI & there are the following entries
for Samuel Underwood, son of Thomas & Elizabeth which you have already seen.
bn 27.7.1816 c 23.3.1817 Methodist or Weslyan Methodist Bedford Circuit & another entry with the same dates -Wesylan Methodist Ampthill.
The Ampthill circuit book may well cover Clophill & would probably say something like "Clophill" in the Abode column. This baptism was obviously entered in both books.
In the libraries they usually have typed printed copies of the entries. Will check these for you when I go.
Although the date is five years out I wouldn't discount him yet if I were you.
Regards
criggy
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Hi
I think the 1816 Samuel is most likely mine: his father is Thomas, and age fits with 20 given in 1841. If he had been born 1822 as he implies in all other census or 1824 as given at probable marriage, he'd have been listed as 15. Also fits with an age at death I have. So looking good. Thanks for info on Methodists.
Regards Jan ;)
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Sorry I’ve taken so long to get back to you.
Firstly – Samuel Underwood. Unfortunately Bedford library did not have the baptism circuit book after all so I couldn’t check it out for you. Perhaps someone else could check at Luton library for you?
I then checked a few of the other 1851 census index books & also came up blank! (Can’t find my piece of paper though with the volumes I checked – sorry ???)
Checked Clophill PR Marriages 1807 Au 18 Thomas Underwood = Elizabeth Smith (no other info I’m afraid)
Checked the burials at Clophill on the fiche – some of which were unreadable because they were so faint.
1813-1850
No 705 Isaac Underwood Clophill Feb 25 1847 aged 23
killed by accident (written underneath)
No 724 Thomas Underwood Oct 5 1847 aged 65
IGI Have you seen these? All at Harper St Wesleyan Methodist, Bedford
Isaac Underwood bn 12.1.1824 c 8.2.1824 son of Thomas & Elizabeth Underwood
George c 23.1.1832 son of George & Mary Underwood
Ann bn 25.8.1823 c 3.2.1834 dau of George & Mary Underwood
Possibly a newspaper article/obituary for Isaac somewhere perhaps?
Think all the Methodist baptisms tie in nicely, with Samuel, George & Charles all in the Methodist or Weslyan Bedford Circuit book. Elizabeth & Benjamin bp at Clophill Parish church for some reason though.
Thomas Underwood is also mentioned in the will of Richard Brooks of Clophill 1810. (May be other refs)
http://blars.adlibsoft.com
If there is anything else in the registers you would like me to check just ask.
Regards
criggy
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Thank you for all that Criggy. I daresay Samuel will turn up one day - at least I know he's alive in 51, the last person I lost on that census turned out to have died and her husband had inconsiderately married another Ann to lead me astray ;D
Cheers Jan ;)
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Hi again criggy
If you do find your bit of paper with vols checked, would you post them please?
Jan ;)
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Will do. I'm sure it's about somewhere ???
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Have checked the 1851 surname index for the whole of Beds apart from Volume 3, Book 4 which is missing from local library.This one covers Biggleswade.
Samuel and Hannah nowhere to be found in all the other volumes.
I can try and check the marriage at LS Mary unless you have already done so.
Waterfall
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Thanks for looking - wonder where they are hiding ??? I'll try getting someone to check in Bucks as that is where Hannah was born. If you could check the marriage that would be great.
Cheers Jan ;)
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Was able to check Vol 3 Book 4 for Biggleswade today. No Samuel or Hannah Underwood. If not at Wavendon then I would perhaps check the area East of Luton......families seem to go back and forth from that area......part of Herts.
The marriage of Samuel and Hannah at Luton St Mary.
5/7/1850 Samuel Underwood x, 26, ba, Lab, of Luton, (father Thomas Underwood, Bootmaker) married after banns
Hannah Payne x, 21, sp, of Luton, (father John Payne, lab)
Witness, Samuel Hayden, Jane Wickins
Waterfall
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Thanks Waterfall. I've been sitting here for a week petrified that I'd missed them when I went through the Luton census pages! I was hoping you'd find them in a village just outside Luton. No such luck
David
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Thank you so much for all your help Waterfall - will check Wavenden first then as you suggest have look over the border in Herts. That marriage info is great - father Thomas bootmaker clinches it as the right marriage.
Best wishes Jan ;)
David
It would have been so easy to miss them in Luton - some entries don't look anything like what they are supposed to be ??? ::)
Thanks for your interest
Best wishes Jan ;)
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Hi All
I have just checked the Luton 1851 Index and can not find them either. It was so much easier than the way David had to do it. ;D
Cheers Sandy
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Thanks for double checking there Sandy. I've just had a thought: I did an 1841 lookup recently where a Samuel was wrongly indexed as James (Saml on original image but not very clear). So don't suppose there is a James Underwood of the right age on your index?
Regards Jan ;)
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Hi Jan
No only a Hannah 42 in Luton no James.
I have also checked the 1851 Bucks and my 1851 Northants and no sign of them there.
Cheers Sandy
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Hi Jan
What other villages are near Clophill.
Cheers Sandy
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Hi Jan
I have just read all the previous posts and can now see the thread you are following.
Cheers Sandy
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Thanks for looking Sandy - I'll post in Herts, if they're not there I shall have to be patient and wait for Ancestry to have 1851 online ::) ;D
Cheers Jan ;)
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Just pushing this back up with modified first message
Jan ;)
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Hi Jan
I've tried all combinations but can see neither Samuel nor Hannah. Perhaps they went on an extended round the world cruise for their honeymoon! More realistically, they were in Luton and were just missed.
Sorry!
2 mins later. Just read the amendment to your original message. It's them! Samuel Weedard (did 'e?)
Castle St
Samuel Woodard lodger marr 35 plasterer b Clophill
Ann Woodward lodger marr 25 b Wavendon
Samuel was at the bottom of one page, Ann at the top of the next, and the surnames are as I've spelt them above ie they're different!
Must be them Luton, Samuel, Clophill, Wavendon, and plasterer are right!!!
That was a struggle but I think we all got there - eventually. Thread 3 pages long, read 334 times, for a simple census look up. Is this a record?
David
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Thank you so much David - it's got to be them despite the surname ??? ::) and yes I think this must be a record for what I thought was a simple census lookup ;D I suppose whoever they were lodging with gave the enumerator the weird information, little knowing what trouble they'd cause 154 years later. Just to push my luck could you tell me who they were lodging with please in case it is someone of interest.
Thanks again, you're a star.
Cheers Jan ;)
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Hi Jan
Richard Stoakes h m 31 Joyner b Bedford and wife Jane 29 b St Ives Hunts.
Samuel Underwood was the only Weedard in the whole of the country, which may not come as a complete surprise to you!
Can we have a difficult look up next time please!
Regards
David
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Hi David
Thanks for that.
Can we have a difficult look up next time please!
I'll see what I can come up with - it always makes it more fun. As for this one being a record I found an old 51/41 lookup thread of mine on the Derbyshire board that ran for 4 pages and was read 700+ times - seems I have very awkward ancestors.
Cheers jan ;)
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If the Derbyshire look up was for two censuses then you have to halve the statistics for comparison purposes! So Beds is still the record holder.
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;D ;D
Jan ;)