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Hi Everyone, This is my first post so be gentle with me. I have run into a wall with my Great Grandfather Edward Riley. Born in Wigan or Burnley in 1851. Married Agnes Martin in 1878 and apparently died between 1889 and 1890. So many Edwards it's difficult to find the right one. He and Agnes had 5 children. My Grandfather Edward (b 1880), William (b 1884), Thomas (b 1884?), Patrick (b 1887) and Annorah (b 1890). All born in Wigan or Burnley. I have no information on his mother. His father's name was Thomas who died sometime before 1878. No other family information prior to 1851. No information on his death, or where it occurred. Can supply more recent information if needed.
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Wuigan and Burnley are some distance apart, so let's get one thing straight. According to the GRO site Edward and Agnes's children were born in Wigan. The names and dates are correct except for Patrick, whose birth was registered 1888 and Annorah was registered as Honora.
I cannot find an Edward Riley born 1851 in Wigan but there are two possibles born Burnley.
Edward Riley Dec 1851 Burnley vol 21 p 267 mmn Walton
Edward Riley Mar 1852 Burnley vol 8e p 180 mmn Spencer.
I have had a quick look at the 1861 Census but cannot find an Edward Riley in either Burnley or Wigan.
Emeltom
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Hello and welcome :)
Do you have Edward snr in a census? He is not with Agnes in 1881 and he is a widower on his marriage.
How do you know he was born in Wigan/Burnley?
Regards
Heywood
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Hello & welcome from me too :)
What was the occupation of his father Thomas?
Who witnessed his marriage?
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www.lan-opc.org.uk/
Marriage:
16 Mar 1878 All Saints, Wigan
Edward Riley, 27, Labourer, Widower, Patrick's Row
Agnes Martin , 23, Spinster, Little London
Groom's Father: Thomas Riley, (deceased), Labourer
Bride's Father: James Martin, Dataller
Witness: Henry Powis; Sarah Ward,
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Possible first marriage:
8th January 1874
Bury
Edward Riley, age 23. Father:Thomas Riley
Spouse: Elizabeth Nuttall, age 20. Father: Emanuel Nuttall
Residence Bury, Lancashire, England
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SGF28 - thanks for providing the details of his marriage
I have run into a wall with my Great Grandfather Edward Riley.
Born in Wigan or Burnley in 1851.
Married Agnes Martin in 1878 and apparently died between 1889 and 1890.
No information on his death, or where it occurred.
Was Annie the last child born 1891, if she's Edward's child you'd be looking for a death after 1891
RILEY, ANNIE mmn MARTIN
1891 D Quarter in BARROW-IN-FURNESS Volume 08E Page 832
Did his wife Agnes remarry a John HOUGHTON in 1892 March Quarter ?
1901c Agnes Houghton with her husband John and her children their surname Riley
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9JT-7B5
1891c Agnes Riley & children
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7WDR-SZM
I'm wondering if this might be Edward's death entry
Lancashire BMD
1892 RILEY Edward Age 42 (1850) Birtle Bury
And from GRO indexes
RILEY, EDWARD age 42
1892 Mar Quarter in BURY, BURY AND LANCASTER Volume 08C Page 387
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Possible first marriage:
8th January 1874
Bury
Edward Riley, age 23. Father:Thomas Riley
Spouse: Elizabeth Nuttall, age 20. Father: Emanuel Nuttall
Residence Bury, Lancashire, England
These are in census and Lancashire BMD also have several children born to the couple.
1891 3140/146/20
Bury would be the wrong area too. It looks as though the family move to Burnley after Agnes' second marriage as John Houghton is born Bacup.
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SGF28 - thanks for providing the details of his marriage
Was Annie the last child born 1891, if she's Edward's child you'd be looking for a death after 1891
Not if it were a posthumous birth. Agnes says she's a widow on 1891 - Anora already born, so think Annie may be another child entirely
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Thanks to you all for your quick responses. I'll try to answer with what I know (or think I know). I saw the entries in the census for the Riley's in Bury. I'm not sure if they are the right ones. Rooting out the answers is more difficult from Pennsylvania when one only has the computer. Agnes did marry John Houghton, I believe in 1892. Edward has been difficult to track through the years. I found Agnes and my Grandfather Edward as a baby listed as visitors at the home of William and Annie Calland in Wigan. No sign of Edward. In fact I've never found Edward Snr in any census.
Annorah was the last child I found. She married, lost her husband in WW I, moved to Pennsylvanian and remarried. Edward and Thomas also immigrated to America. I lost track of Patrick though he may have married an Elizabeth Cooney. The family was in Burnley after Edwards death and Agnes' marriage to Houghton. My grandmother was born there (Ellen Jarvis). She and my G-father were married there and and left from there for America. I'm short on information because the family never spoke of the "Old Country" or the family left behind. Didn't know that Annorah lived about 60 miles from us when I was growing up until I found her records earlier this year.
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Hello again,
Edward is difficult to find! I don't think he is the Bury one as Edward and wife Elizabeth Nuttall are in later censuses.
I just saw that Agnes was a witness to the Calland marriage which may account for her visiting them but Edward must have been around for another few years.
Heywood
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In checking my tree I show that in the 1911 census, Agnes is listed as being married to John for 18 years putting their marriage about 1893. Her daughter, this time called Ausra though I'm sure it's actually Annorah, listed as 2 years old. I also got a birth date for her of 19 Oct 1890 from her Social Security application.