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Hi guys. I'm looking for any info about a man named John O'Burney Kelly who I think may be my 3x Great Grandfather. His name came up on a death notice of his son Herbert Hercules Kelly in 1915. Herbert's mother was also mentioned as Katherine Mary Smith. I am thinking that he might be Irish as a DNA test has shown that I have a lot of Irish ancestry but I haven't come across it on my maternal side. Unfortunately, that is all of the info I currently have and anything extra would be greatly appreciated.
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In which country was the mention of his name in a death notice?
Jamjar
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Hi Jamjar
It was in Australia.
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Hi Jamjar
It was in Australia.
Is the article on TROVE. If so I can't see it. Could you put a link to it?
Jamjar
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I came across the death on Ancestry.com in their Australian Death Index. I haven't been able to find it anywhere else.
I have attached the notice.
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It looks like a headstone inscription to me.
Here is the death registration as it is recorded on NSWBDM:
14214/1915 Hubert H Kelly parents JOHN O'B and KATERINE M BOOROWA
He was born in NSW:
9236/1867 Hubert H Kelly to JOHN O'B CATHERINE M GOULBURN
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"...John O'Burney Kelly who I think may be my 3x Great Grandfather..."
It might be better to confirm him as your ancestor before researching his earlier life.
You are considering him to be the father of your 2 x great grandparent?
Who is this 2 x great grandparent?
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A brother?: KELLY JOHN
6984/1864 John Kelly parents JOHN and CATHERINE M BRISBANE WATER
Only a possible:
Probate in Goulburn, bottom of 4th column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article98517028
5540/1894 Catherine Kelly parents MATTHEW and MARGARET GOULBURN
Jamjar
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Freemans Journal 1 Jan 1914
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/111293165?
...obit for Hubert Hugh KELLY.....
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Freemans Journal 1 Jan 1914
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/111293165?
...obit for Hubert Hugh KELLY.....
Not the right one. Looking for one who died 1915.
This is the one in the article though:
50/1914 Hubert H Kelly parents JOHN and LOUISA SYDNEY
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At this point I am fairly sure that John O'Burney Kelly is my 3x GGF. My GGM was Clarice Edna Kelly, whose father I thought was Herbert Hercules but seems to be spelt Hubert instead, who was married to Mary Anne Matilda Rose Betts.
With this info about Hubert's birth and death I've found his marriage to Mary Betts and the registration of Clarice's birth.
Thanks for all this help, it's so much more than I've had in a long time.
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At this point I am fairly sure that John O'Burney Kelly is my 3x GGF. My GGM was Clarice Edna Kelly, whose father I thought was Herbert Hercules but seems to be spelt Hubert instead, who was married to Mary Anne Matilda Rose Betts.
With this info about Hubert's birth and death I've found his marriage to Mary Betts and the registration of Clarice's birth.
Thanks for all this help, it's so much more than I've had in a long time.
Siblings of Clarice:
24034/1906 Kelly Doris B S parents HUBERT H and MARY A M R GOULBURN
31457/1907 Allan H parents HUBERT H and MARY A M R SYDNEY
48159/1914 Gladys M HUBERT H and MARY A GOULBURN
J.
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If this is the death notice of Catherine it has her age as 80 in 1894, thus a birth year of 1814, 2nd column:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article98516440
J.
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Found some deaths:
15581/1912 Margaret KELLY parents John O and Catherine M GOULBURN
15447/1931 Crosbie B Kelly parents JOHN O B and KATHERINE M MANLY
Inquest for John Kelly with son Crosbie giving evidence, in 1867, second column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article100872823
I can't see birth for Crosbie in NSW.
Think I have him:
5044/1867 John O Kelly parents PATRICK O and BRIDGET GOULBURN
Death notice for Crosbie Kelly: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article28041869
Probate notice for Crosbie Baynes Kelly, 5th column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article16820232
Crosbie buried at Manly Cemetery:
Crosbie Baynes Kelly S.362 15-7-1931 age 84 MD33
The Obit for Margaret in 1912, does not mention Hubert as a brother and he died in 1915, 2nd column.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article102117873
With Hubert being born in 1867, could he be the illegitimate son of Margaret or Kate?
Jamjar
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This death notice has Catherine aged 88, mother of Crosby and a Mrs Southall as Catherine Mary Gillard, 4th column:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article15676296
10191/1916 Catherine GILLARD father George, no mother named SYDNEY
Her marriage: 577/1878 Catherine KELLY to William GILLARD SYDNEY
The mentioned daughter's death:
10674/1928 Kate SOUTHALL father John O and mother Katherine SYDNEY
Death notice: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article16479386
Jamjar
Added: Marriage in U.K.:
September Quarter 1846
Leeds 23 330
Kelly John O'Beirne and Catherine Mary Smith
Birth:
KELLY, CROSBY SMITH mmn SMITH
1847 S Quarter in LEEDS Volume 23 Page 448
Possible daughter: KELLY, ANN mmn SMITH
1849 S Quarter in LEEDS Volume 23 Page 432
A possible 1841 census for Catherine with birth year 1828 and father George: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQPD-7H8