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Title: Searching for John Hardy family/info 1800, Levenshulme
Post by: cintx on Sunday 09 July 17 22:18 BST (UK)
My great grandfather James Richard Hardy b. 1847 traveled to the United States around 1900 from Lancashire.  He was married to a Lavinia Stevens.  I think his father was also James Richard b.1823 married to Mary Ann Tonge and his father was John Hardy.  I have found who I think is the correct John Hardy but not completely sure.  His second wife was Esther but not sure who James' mother was.
First name Ann? Hope to hear from anyone connected to the family or has information!

Best regards,

Cindy
Title: Re: Searching for John Hardy family/info 1800, Levenshulme
Post by: heatherjulie on Sunday 09 July 17 22:48 BST (UK)
Hi
A warm welcome to Rootschat.

GRO gives James Richard Hardy registered in 1847 in Manchester mother's maiden name Tonge
Title: Re: Searching for John Hardy family/info 1800, Levenshulme
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 09 July 17 22:51 BST (UK)
Hi and welcome from me too.

Parents marriage

June qtr 1845

James Richard Hardy/Mary Ann Tonge Manchester 20  520
Title: Re: Searching for John Hardy family/info 1800, Levenshulme
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 09 July 17 22:56 BST (UK)
6.5.1845 at St Mary, St Denys and St George Manchester (Manchester Cathedral)

James Richard Hardy full age - bachelor - occ plumber - address Fortune St - father John Hardy occ Hatter

Mary Ann Tonge full age - spinster - address Silk St -  father Richard Tonge - occ overlooker

Witnesses James Gregory & Ann Stott
Title: Re: Searching for John Hardy family/info 1800, Levenshulme
Post by: heatherjulie on Monday 10 July 17 09:10 BST (UK)
Marriage Date:   8 Oct 1865
Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George

Lavinia Stevens aged 17 , Spinster
Father's name:   William Stevens,  Sea Captain

Spouse's Name:   James Richard Hardy aged 19 Book keeper, 279 Oldham Road
Spouse's Father's Name: James Richard Harding Plumber

Witness Elizabeth Hampson, Wm Fearnhead?
Title: Re: Searching for John Hardy family/info 1800, Levenshulme
Post by: heatherjulie on Monday 10 July 17 09:15 BST (UK)
James Richd . Hardy

Baptism 17 Aug 1823
St. Thomas, Heaton-Norris, Lancashire, England
Father:John Hardy
Mother:Ann
Title: Re: Searching for John Hardy family/info 1800, Levenshulme
Post by: heatherjulie on Monday 10 July 17 09:32 BST (UK)
Baptism: 17 Aug 1823 St Thomas the Apostle, Heaton Norris, Lancashire, England
Jas. Richd. Hardy - Son of John Hardy & Ann
Born: 13 Jun 1823
Abode: Levenshulme
Occupation: Hatter
Baptised by: J.M. Kirby Curate
Title: Re: Searching for John Hardy family/info 1800, Levenshulme
Post by: mosiefish on Monday 10 July 17 13:48 BST (UK)
Marriage Collegiate Church of St Mary, St Denys and St George (now the Cathedral)
26th August, 1822
John Hardey Bachelor of the Parish of Manchester Hatter
Ann Haslam, Spinster of the Parish of Manchester
John made his mark
Ann signed her name Hasleham
Witnesses Robt Hilton
John Cheetwood (x) 

Mo
Title: Re: Searching for John Hardy family/info 1800, Levenshulme
Post by: mosiefish on Monday 10 July 17 14:27 BST (UK)
There is a baptism of an Ann Hasleham on 13th February, 1803 at St Thomas, Heaton Norris. Her parents were James and Jane Hasleham of Leavenshulme.  They also had a daughter Sarah baptised the same day. 
Mo
Title: Re: Searching for John Hardy family/info 1800, Levenshulme
Post by: cintx on Monday 10 July 17 17:54 BST (UK)
Thank you all for the information!  I do not know how to reply separately to each.  Is there any information regarding John's parents?
Title: Re: Searching for John Hardy family/info 1800, Levenshulme
Post by: mosiefish on Monday 10 July 17 20:43 BST (UK)
Quote from: cintx on Monday 10 July 17 17:54 BST (UK)
Thank you all for the information!  I do not know how to reply separately to each.  Is there any information regarding John's parents?

Really no need to reply separately, we just appreciate a "thank you" which you have already done  :).
At the moment I don`t think any of us can get a handle on John.  You say he later married an Esther - do you have the marriage and have you found him on a census?

Mo
Title: Re: Searching for John Hardy family/info 1800, Levenshulme
Post by: cintx on Monday 10 July 17 22:43 BST (UK)
I gathered the information on John Hardy via google search.  This led me to a Rootschat post from the year 2006.  (This is how I discovered Rootschat  :) ) It included 1841 census info.  John was age 35 and his wife Esther age 25 was listed on census. A comment was made that they didn't realize John had a second wife.  The children listed on census were James Richard age 15 and Emma 6 months.
Title: Re: Searching for John Hardy family/info 1800, Levenshulme
Post by: mosiefish on Tuesday 11 July 17 00:18 BST (UK)
Hmmm!  not convinced that the John Hardy in 1841 is the father of James Richard.  Relationships not given in 1841.   That John is an Agricultural Labourer not a Hatter.  Bit of a backwards step.

Mo
Title: Re: Searching for John Hardy family/info 1800, Levenshulme
Post by: heatherjulie on Tuesday 11 July 17 12:50 BST (UK)
GRO has a birth for an Emma Hardy in December quarter 1840 registered Chorlton  mother's maiden name is given as Rider

Heather
Title: Re: Searching for John Hardy family/info 1800, Levenshulme
Post by: heatherjulie on Tuesday 11 July 17 12:54 BST (UK)
Marriage
2nd March 1840 St Mary Manchester
John Hardy full age Labourer Widower Abode Levenshulme
Esther Rider Spinster Levenshulme
Groom's father Peter Hardy Hatter
Bride's father Samuel Rider Weaver
Witness John Birch, Sarah Knowles
Title: Re: Searching for John Hardy family/info 1800, Levenshulme
Post by: heatherjulie on Tuesday 11 July 17 12:57 BST (UK)
Baptism 30th May 1841 St James, Birch in Rusholme, Manchezter
Emma Hardy child of John Hardy and Esther
Abode Levenshulme
Occupation Labourer
Title: Re: Searching for John Hardy family/info 1800, Levenshulme
Post by: heatherjulie on Tuesday 11 July 17 13:04 BST (UK)
This might be one to look at
John Hardy

Christening 28 Aug 1803

Christening CATHEDRAL,MANCHESTER,   
Father's Name:   Peter Hardy
   
Mother's Name:   Alice
Title: Re: Searching for John Hardy family/info 1800, Levenshulme
Post by: heatherjulie on Tuesday 11 July 17 13:09 BST (UK)
Peter Hardy
Spouse's Name:   Alice Mellor
11 Jul 1803
Cathedral,Manchester
Title: Re: Searching for John Hardy family/info 1800, Levenshulme
Post by: heatherjulie on Tuesday 11 July 17 13:12 BST (UK)
You still need to connect the information that I have found to 'your' James Richard
Title: Re: Searching for John Hardy family/info 1800, Levenshulme
Post by: cintx on Tuesday 11 July 17 16:15 BST (UK)
It would seem that the James Richard living with John and Esther Hardy on the 1841 census is the one linked to my great grandfather.  His occupation is listed as ap plumber.  His marriage certificate, 1851 census and birth certificate of son lists him as a plumber.  However, as pointed out, John is listed as laborer on 1841 census but as hatter on James Richard marriage certificate.  The Peter listed above was a hatter.  If he is the father of John, could there have been a change in profession?
Title: Re: Searching for John Hardy family/info 1800, Levenshulme
Post by: mosiefish on Tuesday 11 July 17 20:58 BST (UK)
Looking at everything it`s quite possible that John had a change of occupation.  He may have had some sort of accident that prevented him from continuing his trade.  Failing eyesight being another reason.

Mo