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Title: Rose Maud Hibberd was born on 13 August 1897 in London. Need help please.
Post by: mr luvpants on Saturday 08 July 17 14:45 BST (UK)
Hi

Over the years I have been researching my family tree but I have failed to find out what happened to my fathers Aunt, Rose Maud Hibberd who was born on 13 August 1897 in Shoreditch, London. I have her in the 1911 census at a Workhouse in Hackney and then nothing. I can't find any marriages or death, she seems to have just disappeared. I had a thought today. I wonder if she had been part of the stolen white generation that were shipped out to Australia from Children Homes? But I would not have any idea as to where to start with this?  Any advice would be gratefully received.


JOHN
Title: Re: Rose Maud Hibberd was born on 13 August 1897 in London. Need help please.
Post by: Ellenmai on Saturday 08 July 17 15:03 BST (UK)
2 Possible marriages

Rose M Hibberd 1942 Lewisham to Fredrick G Calahan.

Rose  M Hibb(E)ard 1929 Islington to Leonard Merilees. (Surname could be wrong spelling)
Title: Re: Rose Maud Hibberd was born on 13 August 1897 in London. Need help please.
Post by: JJen on Saturday 08 July 17 15:11 BST (UK)
2 Possible marriages

Rose M Hibberd 1942 Lewisham to Fredrick G Calahan.

Rose  M Hibb(E)ard 1929 Islington to Leonard Merilees. (Surname could be wrong spelling)

The Merilees marriage can be discounted as a free search of the 1939 shows Rose M as born in 1905.

JJ
Title: Re: Rose Maud Hibberd was born on 13 August 1897 in London. Need help please.
Post by: JJen on Saturday 08 July 17 15:16 BST (UK)
Death record -

Rose Margaret Calahan
Birth Date - 5 Feb 1912
Date of Registration - May 2001
Age at Death - 89
Registration district - Greenwich

Therefore it would appear that the Hibberd /Callard marriage can also be discounted.

JJ
Title: Re: Rose Maud Hibberd was born on 13 August 1897 in London. Need help please.
Post by: JJen on Saturday 08 July 17 15:19 BST (UK)
Have you checked the 1939 register to see if there any Rose M's or Rose with the date of birth 13 August 1897?

JJ
Title: Re: Rose Maud Hibberd was born on 13 August 1897 in London. Need help please.
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 08 July 17 15:31 BST (UK)
Records for the 'Home' may be available at the LMA  :-\
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/c/F122938
Title: Re: Rose Maud Hibberd was born on 13 August 1897 in London. Need help please.
Post by: JJen on Saturday 08 July 17 15:32 BST (UK)
Are you quite sure Rose is in a workhouse in Hackney?

JJ
Title: Re: Rose Maud Hibberd was born on 13 August 1897 in London. Need help please.
Post by: Ellenmai on Saturday 08 July 17 15:36 BST (UK)
Could you give the names of other close family members? There is another Rose Hibberd on the 1911 Census in Hackney
Title: Re: Rose Maud Hibberd was born on 13 August 1897 in London. Need help please.
Post by: JJen on Saturday 08 July 17 15:37 BST (UK)
Wonder if this is worth a look?

Marriage -
William F Harrup
q4 1932, Shoreditch
Registration district:   Shoreditch
Spouse - Rosina Hibberd
Vol 1c Page 174

JJ
Title: Re: Rose Maud Hibberd was born on 13 August 1897 in London. Need help please.
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 08 July 17 15:38 BST (UK)
Did you follow up any of the suggestions when you asked about this before  :-\
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=472504
Title: Re: Rose Maud Hibberd was born on 13 August 1897 in London. Need help please.
Post by: JJen on Saturday 08 July 17 15:53 BST (UK)
Did you follow up any of the suggestions when you asked about this before  :-\
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=472504

Thanks Rosie, it certainly helps to know what was previously found!!

JJ
Title: Re: Rose Maud Hibberd was born on 13 August 1897 in London. Need help please.
Post by: Comberton on Saturday 08 July 17 16:24 BST (UK)
2 Baptism records on Anc have
Rosina Maud Hibbert
Born 13-8-1897
Parents James & Rosina

There is a 1911 entry that matches, also a tree for the family

Title: Re: Rose Maud Hibberd was born on 13 August 1897 in London. Need help please.
Post by: mr luvpants on Sunday 09 July 17 02:54 BST (UK)
Did you follow up any of the suggestions when you asked about this before  :-\
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=472504

I completely forgot that I had posted that as it was some time ago so thanks for bringing it to my attention.
Title: Re: Rose Maud Hibberd was born on 13 August 1897 in London. Need help please.
Post by: mr luvpants on Sunday 09 July 17 03:01 BST (UK)
First off, I thank you all for your speedy replies.

I think first up I need to check the Rosina Hibberd who married a William F Harrup in Shoreditch and Rose Hibbert to x? Walker  1920 q2 W.Ham 4a 297.

Just to clarify a few points that some of you asked;

She is listed twice in the 1911 census: living at home and at the work house.
The family had lost contact with her before the her parents died so she would not have registered the deaths.
There was no will as the family were poor.

Im busy at work over the next few days but will come back to you with my results re the marriages.

JOHN
Title: Re: Rose Maud Hibberd was born on 13 August 1897 in London. Need help please.
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 09 July 17 07:57 BST (UK)

She is listed twice in the 1911 census: living at home and at the work house.


Are you sure that it is a workhouse  ???
Title: Re: Rose Maud Hibberd was born on 13 August 1897 in London. Need help please.
Post by: carol8353 on Sunday 09 July 17 12:34 BST (UK)

She is listed twice in the 1911 census: living at home and at the work house.


Are you sure that it is a workhouse  ???

That's what I was thinking too Rosie, institutions can often be children's homes,schools,places for teenage girls to train for future work,or even hospitals.

I could then visualise Rose being included both at home and away,her parents not being sure in advance where she is going to be on census night.
Title: Re: Rose Maud Hibberd was born on 13 August 1897 in London. Need help please.
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 09 July 17 12:37 BST (UK)
It may be an idea for OP to look at the first page of the 'institution' as it should give more information against the people who were running it  ;)
Title: Re: Rose Maud Hibberd was born on 13 August 1897 in London. Need help please.
Post by: mr luvpants on Sunday 09 July 17 14:14 BST (UK)
Just had a look at the 1911 census. it was St Leonards Branch School, 26 and 28 Lower Clapton Road, London N E.

john
Title: Re: Rose Maud Hibberd was born on 13 August 1897 in London. Need help please.
Post by: Ellenmai on Sunday 09 July 17 15:06 BST (UK)
26&28 Lower Clapton Road was a receiving home for up to 77 children where they processed the children coming into the union care and included a medical examination. The home also provided accommodation for short term care for children.
Children would then be passed on to the Hornchurch Homes.
Title: Re: Rose Maud Hibberd was born on 13 August 1897 in London. Need help please.
Post by: mr luvpants on Sunday 09 July 17 23:22 BST (UK)
26&28 Lower Clapton Road was a receiving home for up to 77 children where they processed the children coming into the union care and included a medical examination. The home also provided accommodation for short term care for children.
Children would then be passed on to the Hornchurch Homes.

Thank you. So where do I need to look now?

JOHN
Title: Re: Rose Maud Hibberd was born on 13 August 1897 in London. Need help please.
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 10 July 17 09:40 BST (UK)

Thank you. So where do I need to look now?

Records for the 'Home' may be available at the LMA  :-\
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/c/F122938

I would imagine that this is possibly relevant as 'Shoreditch Guardians' is mentioned