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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: deledge on Friday 07 July 17 17:44 BST (UK)
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Hi All, new to this board so hoping that a request for 'a fresh paid of eyes as a first post' isn't taking the Mick.
Looking for Henry PECKHAM [c.1839 - according to census' dated, 1871-1881-1891 at various addresses in Lambeth]
with wife Eliza [c1847 -] and their children.
Henry Charles PECKHAM [1870-]
Ellen (shows on one census as Elena) [? 1871-]; and
William [?1873-1941]
I have traced all three children on later census' along with respective marriages etc but cannot find matching births for any of them.
Nor can I trace Eliza, their mother, their father and his respective birth, or their parents wedding (if they in fact) married at all.
The last of the three census' of the family show that Henry claims he is a widower, living with youngest only, yet still can't find a stand out matching record in the period between census' for her death.
[I can't upload these due to file size restrictions]
Simple request I know ::), but spent some time on this and can't help feel that a fresh, more experienced pair of eyes will see the wood for the trees.
Thanks in advance for any efforts.
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Hi
Welcome to the gang!
There is this one on FreeBMD?
Births Mar 1839
Peckham Henry Joseph Lambeth 4 319
Regards
Giggsy
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Hi,
Welcome to RootsChat.
This would appear to be the death/burial of Henry Joseph Peckham previously posted and therefore can be discounted.
Henry Joseph Peckham
Age - 2
Birth Date - 1839
Death Date - 1841
Burial 27 Jan 1841, St Mary Lambeth, Surrey
JJ
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Thanks JJ. I thought it was a bit too easy! ;D
Giggsy
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Yes got that cert, but think its a dead end...so to speak...
Thanks for efforts.
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Is he at HO 107/1572/797/4 in 1851?
Regards
Roger
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Is he at HO 107/1572/797/4 in 1851?
Regards
Roger
Not totally sure, as in 1861 seem to be the transcribed POTHAM family
RG09/58/43/26
Keyboard86
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Hi Roger,
I presume we are talking about Edwin who is prob a date match. You thinking Henry is a nickname?
Not sure he fits otherwise.
There are only 5 Peckham boys registered in Lambeth in the immediate
Period surrounding his supposed birth date from census'.
Three of those are of the Maiden name PIMM who's son Henry Joseph has already been excluded.
The other 2 are Edwin, who you picked out here and James.
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat, that census ref in 1851 gives a 12 year old Henry Pebham b St Georges parents William/Elizabeth with the 1861 above widowed Elizabeth do not believe this to be him?
Keyboard86
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I thought the original looked like Pekham (though perhaps more probably Pelham).Given the father's name as William and his nearest sibling as Charles,I thought there might be some family traditional naming pattern,but obviously highly tenuous!
Regards
Roger
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Good shout Roger thanks for taking the time to look at this, much appreciated
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An alternative family for Henry:-
1841 HO107/1049/5/30/13
(with grandparents Henry and Catherine)
1841 HO107/1061/8/49/17
(his father Henry,a constable at the Surrey Theatre).
1851 HO107/1565/421/6
Three generations together.Henry given as born 1840,Christchurch,Surrey
I think this would make him Henry James Peckham June qtr 1840 St.Saviour vol 4 page 438
1861 RG09/334/92/39
Henry's(1840) father and grandmother together.
No mother for Henry(1840) appears in any of these censuses.GRO info would give her maiden name as Kean.
Regards
Roger
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There is a record for the death of an Ellen Peckham,aged 35 in Lambeth in 1882(born c. 1847 therefore).Perhaps Elizabeth was aka Ellen,like her daughter.I can't find an Ellen Peckham of that age in the locality in 1881,which perhaps adds weight to the possibility.
Regards
Roger
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Roger thanks for all the time spent on this. I have spent numerous hours pondering this.
The first theory you had had weight; i.e. Pelham, simply because the inability to trace any of the three children under the Peckham name. I have come across many incorrect spellings of single siblings but never been unable to trace all three and both parents. Something doesn't add up. Particularly as I can tie it all down to Lambeth.
Thanks again,
Del
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Is he at HO 107/1572/797/4 in 1851?
Regards
Roger
Not totally sure, as in 1861 seem to be the transcribed POTHAM family
RG09/58/43/26
Keyboard86
This 1861shows on original as more like Polham/Pelham, next door is an Edward 28 occ Bootmaker with wife Bessy 37 and daughter Lizzie 7
Can someone check if 1841/51/61 is same family?
Keyboard86
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Not sure I can make anything more of it at the moment,but there is a birth record for Henry Peckham Keen in Lambeth in March 1870.Although the mmn is different there is also an Eleanor Eliza Keen in 1872.
Equally can't make a connection with the Henry Peckham(1840)mmn Kean in my alternative family of earlier today.
Coincidence?
Regards
Roger
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The "coincidences" are beginning to mount:-
There is a marriage in 1869 in Lambeth for Henry James Peckham Keen(father Henry Peckham) to Emma Eliza Cox.
Cox is the mmn for Eleanor Eliza Keen as referred to previously.
Regards
Roger
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......and a William Edward Keen,born 1874,Lambeth,mmn Cox.
Regards
Roger
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Not enough of a coincidence to prevent me ordering the certificates Roger.
Not sure how you got where you did but I'm most grateful.
Will come back when I get the results.
Thanks again.
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The problem one is Henry Peckham Keen(1870) who has a mmn Hart.I wonder if this is an error in GRO records.
Regards
Roger
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Not sure about that because i looked at marriages between Hart and Cox and found a hit for
Elijah Hart v Emma Cox Reg in Maldon Essex Mar 1847, year of birth of Our Emma Eliza Cox. Also notable in that all the census data for the family 1871,81 states her place of birth as Maldon, Essex.
Seems to be coming together.
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Or a huge number of coincidences ???
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As to how I got there...
I searched FreeBMD for all Henrys born 1870 Lambeth and saw the name Hery Peckham Keen,and remembered the Kean based family I found earlier.
In rechecking,there is also a Henry Peckham King record,same quarter/year/distrct.An(other) error?
Regards
Roger
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Familysearch has this baptism:
Name Henry Peckham-Keen
gender Male
Wife Emma Peckham-Keen
Child Henry Charles Peckham-Keen
Other information in the record of Henry Charles Peckham-Keen
from England, Essex Parish Registers
Name Henry Charles Peckham-Keen
Event Type Christening
Event Date 05 Jun 1870
Event Place , Heybridge, Essex, England
Father's Name Henry Peckham-Keen
Mother's Name Emma Peckham-Keen
Del,
Not sure if know about this website but might be worth a look, lots of Essex parishes covered and might be cheaper to buy a subscription than ordering lots of certificates.
http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/ParishRegisters.aspx
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Many thanks for that will have a look.
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I don't think there is any conflict,the record is ecclesiastical(christening/baptism) whereas the Lambeth record is civil(birth).
Regards
Roger
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Agreed, the Essex records wouldn't forgo my need to have the birth records but any help was appreciated
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Dear All,
Received the certificates today and this is solved.
Many thanks for the help, particularly to Roger.
Del