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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: KIKIDEE on Wednesday 21 June 17 22:40 BST (UK)
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I am trying to trace the parents of James Taylor. born about 1803 Poole, died 1890, Bloxwich
James Taylor m Sarah Bentley at St Thomas the Apostle Roman Catholic Church, Bloxwich on 15/8/1825.
They married again on 16/8/1825 at St Matthews Anglican church, Walsall.
They lived in Bloxwich.
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Hi
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Wonder if this is the chap you are looking for
James Taylor bapt. 08 Jan 1802 St James, Poole, Dorset. Parents: John and Jane Taylor
Born June 8th 1801
claire
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Hi Claire,
Thank you for replying. It certainly looks promising. I just need to see if I can trace John and Jane Taylor back to any links with France.
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James Taylor m Sarah Bentley. 15 Aug 1824. Bloxwich and Walsall. England Roman Catholic Parish Marriages.
They only married once.
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I have found the St Matthew's marriage for 16th August 1824. St Matthew's is the parish church of Walsall. It was a Tuesday so if the market day was the same as my childhood it was a market day and the church is at the top of the hill where the market is. Wonder if they did that to get transport?
Was this the time when a Roman Catholic marriage wasn't a legal marriage on it's own or is this due to different religions of the people concerned?
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Thank you for all of the information. So I gather at least one of the couple was a Roman Catholic - I wonder wh they got married the following day in an Anglican church? Maybe you are right in that it was to do with the laws of the time concerning the catholic faith.
Interesting to find out they married on a Tuesday and that it coincides with Market day.
Does anyone know if there would have been a marriage certificate or some document showing the details of James Taylors parents or his address?
I am wondering how he got from Poole to Bloxwich?
You may have guessed I am new to this and I have hit a brick wall in finding any of the Taylor family.
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Very interesting entry in Hansard in 1824 about a Bill proposed to amend the laws regarding Roman Catholic marriages and Baptisms.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1824/apr/13/roman-catholic-marriages-in-england
I could be wrong, but I gather that marriages were not "legal" unless conducted in a Protestant Church, or had something to do with inheritances, so perhaps that is why your couple "married" twice. I think the law was eventually changed in 1829.
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1851 census, Snead Lane, Walsall, Staffordshire.
James Taylor b 1803, Parkstone, Dorset. Occupation, Awl Blade Maker journeyman.
Sarah Taylor b 1805, Bloxwich, Staffordshire. Occupation, Tack Filer.
They have 5 children.
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This is probably the baptism for Sarah.
Sarah Bentley.
Baptised 25 Oct 1807. Bloxwich, All Saints. Anglican.
Parents, Geoe and Dinah.
So it looks like James was the Catholic.
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Very interesting entry in Hansard in 1824 about a Bill proposed to amend the laws regarding Roman Catholic marriages and Baptisms.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1824/apr/13/roman-catholic-marriages-in-england
I could be wrong, but I gather that marriages were not "legal" unless conducted in a Protestant Church, or had something to do with inheritances, so perhaps that is why your couple "married" twice. I think the law was eventually changed in 1829.
A bit more research - such an interesting question!
https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/England_Nonconformist_Church_Records#Catholic_Marriages
Until around 1837 upper-middle class Catholics often had two ceremonies—one Catholic to satisfy the conscience and one Anglican to satisfy the law for inheritance and legitimacy of children.
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James Taylor.
Born 1802, baptised 08 Jan 1802. St James, Poole.
St James is a Church of England parish church in Poole.
So he was'nt Catholic either ::)
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Possible marriage for John and Jane, maybe to early.
John Taylor m Jane Burcher. 1771 Allington, Dorset.
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To get from Dorset to Bloxwich and why.
The Black Country was a hive of industry in the Industrial Revolution. Skilled workers were required so that's the likely reason he left Dorset.
The how could be by many ways. Walk, a long way but many did. Coach if you had the money. Horseback again money required. If he walked to Bristol he could get to Worcester by boat on the River Severn and then by barge to the heart of the Black Country to find a job. There's canals around Walsall/Bloxwich.
:)
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Wow! Thank you all for the information you have provided so far. Really interesting facts about the Catholic faith and why it was sometimes necessary to have two weddings. I can honestly say I have learned something new today. Thank you! :)
I am confused as to why they would marry in a Roman Catholic Church if neither of them Catholic?
Is James Taylor who was christened in 1802 at the Anglican church, the right James Taylor? If so,why would he marry in Catholic church? I am sure his wife Sarah Bentley was of the Anglican faith.
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One of them could have converted to catholicism.
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Thank you Medpat. I have just been looking at the Catholic church registers for St Marys, Walsall and St Thomas the Apostle, Bloxwich. Apparently in May 1824 there was a James Taylor who received confirmation at St Mary's. I am wondering if this could be the same person?
In 1825 there is a Sarah Taylor who is confirmed at St Thomas' in Bloxwich.
I think I need to try and see a copy of their marriage records. So I guess I will have to make a visit to the Catholic records office in Birmingham.
Thank you everyone. I am new to this and so every little bit of help is greatly appreciated.
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All their children were baptised in Bloxwich, All Saints which is Anglican.
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Sarah Bentley.
Parents, George Bentley b1784, Bloxwich, Staffordshire. Burial, 13 February 1869, Bloxwich.
Diana Summerfield b1782, Bloxwich, Staffordshire.
Married, 11 Sep 1804. Saint Matthew,Walsall,Stafford. Anglican.
In 1851 census living Short Heath, Walsall, Staffordshire.
Tree on family Search. KN6T-4SW
In the 1841 census James birth listed as 1806, The Foreign of Walsall.
Sarah birth 1806, Staffordshire, The Foreign of Walsall.
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Have you got access to An***try? There is a tree on there for James born Dorset, married and died Staffordshire. It has 10 records and 11 sources, maybe worth a look.
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A huge thank you to everyone for being so kind to look up and share information with me. I greatly appreciate your time and effort in trying to help me.
I managed to see the Catholic marriage records on Find my past. The record of James Taylor and Sarah Bentley was witnessed by a DANIEL TAYLOR and MARY SUMMERFIELD.
It doesn't state what relation they are.
I guess I will need to check the Anglican records to see if the Witnesses are the same and if it gives any more details.