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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: TrishaG on Monday 19 June 17 23:14 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I hope someone can help with this query.
I'm sorry it's vague as the only info I've got is the info on the flyleaf of a book I've inherited.
I'm looking for a H.C de Hersant-sex unknown,but he or she is of school age.
The book in question was a prize for punctuality in the midsummer of 1872 at the North London Collegiate School(I don't think it's the famous girls school as it has a headmasters name ,Chas.Wm. Williams DD.F.R.A.S. inscribed at the bottom of the page and not that of the girls school Headmistress of the time, Frances Buss).
If anyone can give me the slightest info on Mr or Miss de Hersant I'ld be very grateful.
Many thanks,
Trisha. :) :) :)
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Not the census, but how about this, any good? From UK, Naturalisation Certificates and Declarations, 1870-1916
Henry Charles Di Hersant
Age: 17
Record Type: Certificate
Birth Date: abt 1859
Residence Place: Nottingham, England
Certificate Date: 17 Oct 1876
Certificate Place: London, England
Looks as if that is his father? Jean Fidele Di Hersant, a French subject living at 6 Upper College St, Nottingham, aged 76 married with 2 children under age, Henry 17 and Katherine 19 who is applying for naturalisation.
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1861 Nottingham RG 9; Piece: 2453; Folio: 91; Page: 1
Jean Frdell De Hersant 56 Fundholder Orleans, France
Frances Ann De Hersant 35 Nottingham
Maria De Hersant 6 St Helena, Jersey, Channel Islands
Katherine De Hersant 4 Angonleme, France
Henry Charles De Hersant 2 Angonleme, France
Francoise Binche 30 servant
Elizabeth Milln 30 servant
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He can be traced quite easily through the later censuses.
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Death
Henry C De Hersant
Birth Date: abt 1859
Date of Registration: Mar 1940
Age at Death: 81
Paddington London
Volume: 1a
Page: 8
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1871 (A*try) as Henry C HORSANT-living in St Pancras.
Maureen
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1871 (A*try) as Henry C HORSANT-living in St Pancras.
Maureen
Well spotted Maureen, that's the right family. Looks as if the family were quite well off.
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Info from an on line tree
Jean Fidele de Hersant
Birth: 1801 - France
Death: 2 Sep 1892 Nottingham (Nottinghamshire), England
Marriage: 15 Mar 1853 London
Spouse: Frances Ann Tomlin
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Jean's probate
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=De+Hersant&yearOfDeath=1892&page=3#calendar
Henry's probate
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=De+Hersant&yearOfDeath=1940&page=2#calendar
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The marriage was at St John Notting Hill, license issued 5 March 1853, marriage was on the 15th, he was a widower, father Fidele am an de Hersant gentleman.
Bride was Frances Ann Tomlin father Edmund Tomlin, gentleman. witness William Tomlin and Marion Tomlin.
1851 census Walcot Somerset he is a visitor with Richard Collard 35 born Bath Somerset and wife Frances 40 born France
Just listed as De Hersant age 45 widower (no Christian name listed) born France.
Alien Arrivals on ancestry
5 August 1836 Dover
10 February 1837 Ramsgate
11 February 1838 Southampton as Jean Fidele Bihersande with de Hersant written below in brackets
8 May 1843 Dover
11 July 1843 Dover
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Under Peerage of the British Empire-- Baron Cremone, Ireland.
Issue of Richard Dawson nephew of the 1st Peer, and aunts of the present peer (inherited 1827)
Penelope Catherine died December 1837 having married Monsieur Jean Fidele de Hersant.
Anna Marie
Eliza widow of Simon- Bunbury Isaac Esquire
Louisa married 30 October 1810 Charles Coote of Bellamont Forest.
So Henry's fathers first wife was Penelope Catherine Dawson
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. In April 1850 Frances Mary Buss opened the North London Collegiate School for Ladies at 46 (later renumbered 12) Camden Street. Camden Town was then a professional neighbourhood near both Hampstead and the City, and 35 daughters of gentlemen and 'the most respectable' tradesmen assembled on the opening day. The Vicar of St. Pancras, Canon Thomas Dale, who already had a similar school for boys in his parish, lent his Interest and support
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Which fits in with where they were living in 1871.
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https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=14omCAAAQBAJ&pg=PT18&lpg=PT18&dq=canon+Thomas+Dale&source=bl&ots=t4OY6PaG3s&sig=J1G55yuxlOdT_c5L1IvKVeg6Pzc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjE1oqq98vUAhXJKlAKHU4eD60Q6AEILTAH#v=onepage&q=canon%20Thomas%20Dale&f=false
About the founding of the Boys' School
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Hi,
thank you so much for all the wonderful info,and all from so little info from me.Very impressed!I couldn't get anywhere with it :'(.
Many thanks
Trisha ;D ;D ;D
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Hi,
thank you so much for all the wonderful info,and all from so little info from me.Very impressed!I couldn't get anywhere with it :'(.
Many thanks
Trisha ;D ;D ;D
Hi,
I hope someone can help with this query.
I'm sorry it's vague as the only info I've got is the info on the flyleaf of a book I've inherited.
I'm looking for a H.C de Hersant-sex unknown,but he or she is of school age.
The book in question was a prize for punctuality in the midsummer of 1872 at the North London Collegiate School(I don't think it's the famous girls school as it has a headmasters name ,Chas.Wm. Williams DD.F.R.A.S. inscribed at the bottom of the page and not that of the girls school Headmistress of the time, Frances Buss).
If anyone can give me the slightest info on Mr or Miss de Hersant I'ld be very grateful.
Many thanks,
Trisha. :) :) :)
Hi Trisha, did find Jean Fidel Hersant's birth in Orleans, he was born on 11/06/1800,
his father was Armand, Fidel Hersant, he lived, Rue David Gabaud nr 1bis in Orleans, his mother was Marie Madeleine Therese Brochon, Jean Fidel was born at 5.00PM, did find also his brother, Armand, Fidel Hersant born on 5/11/1797 and a sister named Marie Madeleine born on 25/03/1802
it sounds like he had two other brothers, do check and come back to you tomorrow.
bye for now
Didier
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Findmypast
The first marriage of Jean Fidele de Hersant was 1823 at St Mary Northgate Kent possible by license
Archbishop of Canterbury.
I don't have a subscription so cannot see the date and witnesses.
Or perhaps someone has access to the register of St Mary Northgate to get the details
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Also on Findmy past
Penelope was buried 1837 St Andrew Plymouth Devon
Also dated 1838 there is information in the Tipperary Clans Archive in Ireland
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Katherine born 1857 daughter of Jean and Frances died 1938 Basford Nottinghamshire.
She never married.
1911 Katherine 54 and her sister Marie 55 are boarders with William Colenhoun a Physician at 1 Upper Bedford Place London. (both of private means)
1901 census they are at Bingham Road, Radcliffe on Trent Nottinghamshire, Marie 46, Katherine 44
Added 1891 the entire family transcribed as Hercart are at 10 Belgrave Square, Sherwood Nottinghamshire.
son Henry Charles is 32 and listed as a widower and a Lace manufacterer
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Katherine left a will, died 1 September 1938 of 14 Marlborough Road Woodthorpe, Nottinghamshire, spinster. probate to Henry Charles De Hersant of no occupation and Ivon Henry De Hersant commission agent. she left over 8000.00 pounds
Marie died 1933 Nottinghamshire, never married
Marie also left a will, she died 18 December 1933 at Coppice Hospital Nottinghamshire, probate to brother Henry C de Hersant, she had over 13000.00 pounds
Ivon Henry is a son of Henry Charles, his WW1 papers are on ancestry as is all above information
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Henry Charles de Hersant died 11 January 1940 of 85 Lauderdale Mansions Maida-Vale, probate to wife Alice Gertrude.
Henry first married Lydia Mosley (1858-1886) in 1885 possibly died in childbirth, he married 2nd Alice Gertrude Cropper 1893, they had son Ivon/Ivor 1894.
Alice Gertrude died 20 June 1960 of 85 Lauderdale Mansions, died at Paddington Hospital.
Frances Ann de Hersant died 17 November 1893 her probate was to her daughters Marie and Katherine.