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Myrtle Amelia Sharp was an illegitimate daughter of Elizabeth Amelia Sharp aka Amelia Elizabeth Sharp.
Myrtle was baptised at Easebourne 7 March 1880. She was living with her mother, and 2 brothers in the 1881 and 1891 census at the Union Workhouse Easebourne.
Elizabeth Amelia also gave birth to her daughter Fanny who was baptised 3 May 1871 [died aged 5 weeks], John baptised 16 Apr 1873 and Charles baptised 7 May 1876 [both Easebourne].
Elizabeth Amelia died in 1913 aged 72 years still at the Union Workhouse. I am unable to locate what became of her daughter Myrtle. As yet i have not traced either of her sons John or Charles. John died in 1951 in Berkshire and learned the trade of Tailor. In the 1939 register he was noted as a Tailor Journeyman.
Westy
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There's a Myrtle Sharp, servant, b. 1877 in Lewisham Workhouse in 1896. Could that be her, perhaps?
STG
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Hello STG,
I suppose its possible that her birth was a few years before her baptism in 1880. In 1896 she would have been 16. ???
In the 1891 Census Myrtle aged 13 was a pauper at the Union Workhouse Easebourne but it seems at least 1 brother escaped poverty so perhaps Myrtle did also???
Westy
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There's a birth reg for a Myrtle Amelia Sharp in Q3 1878 in Midhurst, which covers Easebourne ...
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The 1878 registration was for a Myrtle Amelia
I had a look at the 1939 census for Myrtles b c1877 - one in Chichester who I can trace back not to be the one we are after. another interesting person is a Myrtle Nutter in Hammersmith with William Nutter. can find them together on electoral registers from the mid 1930s, but no marriage obvious. she dies in Lewes in 1958 - listed as Myrtle A Nutter
In 1935 they are together but she's Myrtle Wright
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There is a death of a Charles Sharp aged 23 (b1876) in Midhurst in Jul-Sep 1899 2b/291
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Hello STG, Jomot & Mabel
STG: your post reminded me of something and I cannot believe I had forgotten.
Aside from that Jomot and Mabel: Charles death looks likely to be the correct one and shall follow your advice Jomot.
Mabel I think you may have found Myrtle Amelia and will also follow to confirm.
Thanks so much.
Westy
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Hello again Mabel,
I am no longer as confident that Myrtle who dies in Lewes in 1958 - listed as Myrtle A Nutter is the person I am seeking but it could be her. Her age at death is 80 meaning a birth about 1878 and this fits with what we know.
Myrtle Amelia Sharp's birth was registered Sept 1878 at Midhurst and baptised by the vicar Henry Wood on 7 March 1880 Easebourne.
According to the 1939 Register, the Myrtle Nutter of Hammersmith Grove, Hammersmith birth was 20 Oct 1877. This really cannot be the Myrtle Amelia Sharp I am seeking as her birth was registered in Sept 1878 which is at odds with the possible Myrtle of Hammersmith who was born the following month.
Perhaps back to the drawing board?
Westy
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Probably - I don't have full access to 1939, so it was always a supposition
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Hello Mabel,
I appreciate your assistance. :)
All leads are only that till one follows them so please keep making suggestions and I will follow them to see where they go.
Regards,
Westy
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Hello Westy
Just to help with eliminating the Myrtle Nutter who appears in the 1939 Register living at Hammersmith with William Nutter, taxi driver b1871 - she was Myrtle Ann Riches born 20 October 1878 at Battersea (dob from her baptism). She was actually William's sister-in-law (his wife was Emily Jane Riches b1872 ), although they appear to have been a couple post 1911. At 1911 Myrtle was living with a William Wright as his wife.
No sign of Myrtle Amelia Sharp but at least that's Myrtle Nutter out of the running!
Best wishes
Caroline
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Hello Caroline,
Once again many thanks. I wonder what became of Myrtle?
I will contact SFHG to see if all burials for Easebourne are transcribed.
Regards,
Westy
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On checking for a will for John I see that administration was granted in 1952 to HM Treasury Solicitor, so if Myrtle was alive it seems unlikely that they were in contact.
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Hello Westy
The Myrtle Sharp who was admitted to Lewisham Workhouse on 23 October 1896, age 19 b1877 was discharged on 25 Nov 1896 to a Women's Home. She is almost certainly the Myrtle Sharp who gave birth to a daughter Myrtle Louisa Sharp ( birth was registered in March q 1897, mother's maiden name Sharp) baptised at St Dunstan & All Saints church, Stepney on 29 May 1897. Myrtle was shown in the bap register as a singlewoman of 31 Arbour Square, Stepney. Myrtle Louisa Sharp's death was registered in the September q 1897.
I think it is still worth considering this Myrtle Sharp as being 'your' Myrtle. There are no other birth registrations for a Myrtle Sharp(e) in the period 1870 -1890 apart from Myrtle Amelia Sharp 1878.
Her brother John moved away from Sussex so it's quite possible she went with him.
It is odd how Myrtle just disappears without trace. I've tried lots of lateral thinking but have not been able to track her down. She remains on the 'wanted list'!
Best wishes
Caroline
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Hello Jomot,
Good thinking Jomot; I had not got around to finalising John.
As to Myrtle: its an interesting hypothesis Caroline. I went back to the 1891 census in which Myrtle was listed as 13 making a birth around 1887 thus a birth in 1877 a distinct possibility. She must have been at about 2 - 3 at her baptism in 1800.
Her birth was registered Sep 1878 at Midhurst so is it possible she was about 9 - 10 months old at the registration of her birth?.
I managed to locate the records to which you refer all bar the discharge to the Women's Home 25 Nov 1896. Where did you manage to locate the discharge notice please Caroline?
It seems highly probable this Myrtle is, as you hypothise, 'my' Myrtle. I will continue to see if I can locate this Myrtle's death.
Westy
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Hello Caroline,
I have located Myrtles discharge and now wonder where she may have been taken to when it notes "taken to a young womens home' at Lewisham?
Westy
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Hi, just to add
Lewisham notes Myrtle as Removable
Says she was pregnant.
Creed register, Address of Relatives or Friends - "None Known"
Myrtle Louisa Sharp was born 23 Feb 1897 at Mile End Infirmary.
Mother Myrtle, age 19, was admitted 21 Feb, nearest relation - none given! Both Myrtles were discharged 9 April 1897.
It's possible perhaps that your Myrtle might have been sent out to service by the Midhurst poor law people. Could she even have been born in their workhouse, since her mother seems to be in it rather a lot? The LDS have filmed some of the A+ D records, and workhouse births and deaths, but the ones most likely to be relevant have not yet been digitized.
John
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Hello John,
Thanks for that information. I had missed the discharge date of 9 April 1897. Where were you able to locate that one please??? I shall go an locate it once I know.
I was unaware about the LDS and the digitization project so shall keep a look out for them.
Many thanks,
Westy
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I wonder if Myrtle took to using her middle name? There seems to be a few Amelia Sharps in & out of the workhouse after 1897 and the reference to Mile End brings some possibilities, although a few years out on age.
An Amelia Sharp aged 20 is noted on the Tower Hamlets records as admitted 25 Apr 1902 and discharged 30 Sep 1912 - chargeable transfer to Mile End. There is also a Removal Order record dated 1 Oct 1912 for an Amelia Sharp aged 30 who is noted as a lunatic. At the time of the order she was in Horton Asylum (Surrey) but her parish/union of settlement was Mile End.
An article in the St James's Gazette dated 16 October 1901 refers to the attempted suicide of woman who identified herself as Amelia Sharp aged 19, who I assume to be the same person. The 1911 census shows her as single but gives no PoB, although her lunacy admission dated 23 Oct 1901 gives her age as 23 (b1878) but states born Hoxton :-\
I think the Amelia with the illegitimate daughter Nelly born c1901 is a different person as she is shown as aged 28 in 1901 and seems to continue to go in & out of the workhouse during the time the younger Amelia (above) was apparently a permanent resident at Horton Asylum. I think this Amelia had the settlement exam in 1899.
There is also an Amelia Sharp born c1880 admitted & discharged at Saint Olave's Workhouse in 1909, but I think this may be a different person again as she had a sister, Agnes, living in Edinburgh.
Myrtle certainly is a mystery!
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Hi Marie
The additional stuff, such as it is!, comes from the unindexed London poor law records on ancestry
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=1557
If you use the little boxes on the right hand side of the page, under Browse this collection
i.e. select
Borough - Tower Hamlets
Parish or Poor Law Union - Stepney
Record Type - Admission and Discharge
and scroll down to
Mile End Infirmary: Admission and Discharge Book, 1897-1898
Image 29 is admission of Myrtle Sharp on 21 Feb
maybe Myrtle's birth will be noted on the 23rd, haven't looked
Image 76 has their discharge
I started with Tower Hamlets/Stepney/Religious Creed
Mile End Infirmary: Creed Register, 1892-1898
Image 187
What set me looking was London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Sharp
Estimated Birth Date: 23 Feb 1897
Mother's name: Myrtle Sharp
Parish or Poor Law Union: Stepney
Similarly, you can look at Lewisham records.
John
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Thanks so much John.
Westy