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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: nyteowl on Thursday 15 June 17 08:58 BST (UK)
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Hi, and Thanks in advance for any help on this question.
I am trying to confirm details about Thomas Plunkett born 1852 Castreagh NSW, died 1932, he married Hannah Cross 1875 (her birth name was Johannah Cross 1854).
My main question is about the parents of Thomas Plunkett. Was his Mother Catherine Plunkett born around 1804 in Ireland maybe transported ?
I have come across so many Plunketts it's confusing.
Thanks
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You've probably seen this obituary?
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article101314927
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NSW BDM marriage
3826/1875 PLUNKETT Thomas m. CROSS Hannah @ Penrith
This marriage record would ask for details about the origins of bride and groom, including names of parents.
You need to see the marriage record.
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There is also this obituary for Hannah
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article108672973
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There is a Catherine PLUNKETT with a child Thomas, but they were at Singleton in 1866, so not yours according to the obituary where it states Thomas was born and lived around Castlereagh.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18704387
Whether this is the Catherine who was possibly transported, I don't know.
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nyteowl
If you do not have a record of his birth, and you do not have parental details from any source, where did you get the information his mother's name was Catherine?
Sue
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nyteowl
If you do not have a record of his birth, and you do not have parental details from any source, where did you get the information his mother's name was Catherine?
Sue
Hi Sue the name Catherine was brought up by another person who is also seeking the same answers, however I'm a bit unsure about it, because they cannot confirm where it came from, hence I'm a bit "aha" I'm thinking of a day at the library for early church records to confirm the birth
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Yes, Maddy52, I have copies of the marriage / death cert. no parents named. The article about Catherine, could be where they have obtained the Catherine name from and not checked the dates properly. It is a real mystery. Thanks for your help
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Hi nyteowl,
Here is a thread about what to do about blanks on NSW historic marriage certificates by MAJM.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=546609.msg4001771#msg4001771
Essentially it says that not all information was passed on from the clergy to the BDM registry and that you should contact the church archives for the missing info (such as parents' names).
This is the contact for the Uniting Church archives (which includes Methodist, Presbyterian and Congregational churches). http://www.utc.edu.au/campus/synod-archives/
Ros
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Hi nyteowl,
Here is a thread about what to do about blanks on NSW historic marriage certificates by MAJM.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=546609.msg4001771#msg4001771
Essentially it says that not all information was passed on from the clergy to the BDM registry and that you should contact the church archives for the missing info (such as parents' names).
This is the contact for the Uniting Church archives (which includes Methodist, Presbyterian and Congregational churches). http://www.utc.edu.au/campus/synod-archives/
Ros
This is great Thankyou Ros :-)
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Which church was Thomas married in? He wasn't Catholic?
Debra :)
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There are several pages of useful suggestions in there Debra which I think includes Anglican and Catholic marriages. From memory (?!) the first step is to contact the church itself.
I just gave the link for the Uniting Church archives because I believe that either the link or the address for that had changed recently (and caused some discussion on another thread a while ago).
Ros
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There are also early church records available at NSW RO on microfiche. They are not allowed to be copied/photographed but can be transcribed.
If nyteowl tells me the church and the exact date I'll have a quick look when next I'm there.
Ros
The above records are organised by denomination and within that by location and within that by church and then by date. So not a useful resource unless you know the exact church and date (or have days to spend searching :) ).
Not sure what the date limits are ... perhaps they are only very early church records ... ???
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Hi Ros,
As far as I know, Thomas PLUNKETT was born Apr 24 1852, Castlereagh NSW.
I found this article on Trove about his death,
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/101314927?searchTerm=thomas%20plunkett&searchLimits=
If you do have time to check the records for me, that would be great, I am not sure on religion etc
Many Thanks everyone for your help and suggestions
Best Regards
Joann
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Joann, have a look at Thomas' marriage certificate, who was the officiating Minister?
In order to follow up with the church register you have to know the religion.
If you take some time to look at mentions of the family's marriages, deaths and funerals on Trove you will see that by then they were Catholic.
The NSW State Library and Society of Aus Genealogists have microfilm of Church and parish registers:
St Nicholas' Myra, Penrith, Marriages 23 Apr 1871-30 Jan 1899 (Catholic)
St Stephen the Martyr, Penrith, Marriages 27 Apr 1869-10 May 1899 (Anglican)
The NSW Registry has indexed all the baptisms from the pre 1856 church records that they have had access to. There is no doubt that some were missed in the indexing process so in looking at their microfilm you would be checking for a missed record. To do this, you have to know the religion. Details from the supplementary registers are only available from the Registry, they are not part of the microfilm set. Have a read through the guide:
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/births-deaths-and-marriages-registers-1787-1856
Debra :)
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Hi , Thanks for suggestions everyone,
I have just received the marriage and death certificate for Thomas Plunkett, but neither contains parents names or birthplace, just blank squares.
I don't know if there is a Baptism / Christian certificate, that will be my next search. However as I haven't found a birth certificate, I think my chances are very slim.