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General => Armed Forces => Topic started by: Cheskauk2013 on Tuesday 13 June 17 17:00 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I was wondering if anyone can help tell me what this means?
In the last entry where discharge is written there is a number T45...... ??? (I can't make it out) JUNE 1951 below Auckland. I also would like to know what the pink 13 means? ??? Also what does DO stand for in rank and profession?
My Great Uncle went missing. He failed to join the Waimana in Auckland. From what I know he was last seen in 1950/1951 in Auckland. I'm trying to find out more about him.
Thanks for the help. :)
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DO means ditto, his rank in that entry being the same as the one above. Other clerks had entered the actual rank in earlier entries.
I fear that the mysterious marks have the look of notes relating to the administrative system which meant something at the time but whose meaning has long since evaporated. The first one could be a form ie "[Form] T45M [submitted] date"
Have you explored the NZ newspapers of the time?
maxD
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Have you explored the NZ newspapers of the time?
maxD
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Thanks maxD :). It's interesting to know. I never thought ??? about newspapers but will have a look. I can't believe I didn't think about looking in Newspapers ;D.
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As far as I am aware form T45M was notification from the Registrar General of Shipping and Seamen to the Inland Revenue that the person concerned was no longer a Merchant seaman.
I don't know where you are but have you looked at the ships logbook and crew agreement for the dates in question to see if there are any clues as to why he deserted and any indication where he may have gone too.
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Seaweed - always a pleasure to see you come alongside! Form T45M to IR Jun 1951 now comes into focus. Excellent advice re log books etc.
maxD
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Thanks seaweed, interesting stuff. What I have is a letter from the Ministry of Transport and Aviation saying that he failed to join the Waimana and they had no more information. I also have his discharge book using a reference that I got from the letter. I will definitely look into logbooks etc :) great advice. The story that I have been told is that my Grandfather was on the same ship and he joined but Cecil did not and he never knew what happened to Cecil.
I appreciate the advice. :)
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Seaweed - always a pleasure to see you come alongside! Form T45M to IR Jun 1951 now comes into focus. Excellent advice re log books etc.
maxD
:)
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Have you checked the NZ electoral roll for you uncle?
http://search.ancestry.co.nz/search/db.aspx?dbid=1836
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Have you checked the NZ electoral roll for you uncle?
http://search.ancestry.co.nz/search/db.aspx?dbid=1836
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Thanks whiteout. I have and saw a couple for Cecil Shaw Alexander in 1949 and 1954. I need to explore that more. It's been on my to do list ;D. Good advice.
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Thanks seaweed, interesting stuff. What I have is a letter from the Ministry of Transport and Aviation saying that he failed to join the Waimana and they had no more information. I also have his discharge book using a reference that I got from the letter. I will definitely look into logbooks etc :) great advice. The story that I have been told is that my Grandfather was on the same ship and he joined but Cecil did not and he never knew what happened to Cecil.
I appreciate the advice. :)
You should be able to view the 1950 logbook/s and crew agreement/s by a visit to the British National Archive in the piece BT380/478
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10965355
Most archives catalogue logbooks and crew agreements by the vessels official number.
If your grandfather was on board that will be recorded in both documents.
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Thanks seaweed. I looked through my notes and found I have checked the Form CRS 10 after 1946 but had no luck. I also found that you gave me a link in an older post for the Crew agreement and Logbook. I appreciate all the help :).
He was a Merchant Seaman. Records can be best obtained via a visit to the National Archive. You cannot view them on line.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/s/res?_aq=R321979&_ep=&_or1=&_or2=&_or3=&_nq1=&_nq2=&_nq3=&_sd=&_ed=&_col=0&_sw=ref&_cr1=&_cr2=&_cr3=&_ps=15&_ro=any&_rd=&_rsd=&_red=&_fr=&_st=adv
This would be his Seamans "pouch" gives some info and may contain a photograph.
What you really need is his Form CRS 10. This will tell you the name of the ships he sailed on together with places and engagement and discharge. If he joined the MN before 1946 it should be contained within this block of 60 names.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C10988242
If he joined after 1946, which would seem more likely then it should be here.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C10990254
Once you have obtained these documents, you can then search crew agreements and logbooks to try and discover why he failed to join WAIMANA. I suspect female involment some where along the way. It was big problem in the late 40's early 50's. Britain was still recovering after the war, with rationing and other restrictions. NZ would seem an attractive alternative to any young man.
The crew agreement and Logbook of WAIMANA official number 131795
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C10965355
Cataloged by O/N.
A day spent at Kew should be enough to glean all this information.
:)
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=667523.0
The older topic post. :)