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HI, Anybody who could help me to find Frederick Squires's wedding in Birmingham on 14th october 1873 with Josephine, Anne Palmer ?
thanks in advance,
kind regards
Didier
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Welcome to rootschat Didier :)
From freebmd:
Marriages Dec 1873
Belfield Margaret W.Bromwich 6b 1305
PALMER Josephine Anne W. Bromwich 6b 1305
Priestland William Margaret W Bromwich 6b 1305
Squires Frederick W.Bromwich 6b 1305
You can get the certificate from GRO online for £9.25, this will give you his father's name and occupation. Just wondering how you have the exact date if you can't find the marriage record? Perhaps you have a photo or another record?
linked thread looking for Frederick's birth.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=773233.msg6263191#msg6263191
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Yes me too.
I cant find them on 1881 Census??
Or any Squires Birth Reg Gro Index 11875+/- 2 years Mothers mn Palmer.
Welcome to Rootchat Didier.
Trish :)
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And a warm welcome from me also as Josey has posted marriage details I think it would be worth while ordering a copy of the marriage
There is a good chance this is Frederick on the 1861 census
Address 65'Golden Lion Bridgwater Sumerset
James Squires age 42 b Stamford Lincolnshire ( supervisor of inland revenue )
Elizabeth Squires age 43 b Newark Nottingham
James N Squires age 20 b Lincolnshire ( assistant clerk Bridgwater Union )
Thomas H Squires age 15 b Maghera Londonderry ( sadlers apprentice )
George Squires age 10 b Roseroa Ireland ( scholar )
Frederick Squires age 9 b Cork Ireland ( scholar )
Few trees has the parents as James Squires and Elizabeth North
There is a marriage 1839 Newark Nottingham
James Squires /Elizabeth North
Rosie
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Probate record 29 March 1900 London England
Frederick Squires of 41 Rue -De-la-Rampe Best
Died 22 February 1900
Spouse Josephine Ann Squires
Rosie
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It's looking like Josephine Anne Palmer was b.3/7/1856 (twin of Joseph Albert Palmer) in Chelsea, parents Joseph Palmer, butler and Anne (GRO index shows mmn Catt).
Joseph Palmer and Anne Catt married Mar.qtr.1856 St. George Hanover Square, London (cannot find details online).
However, in 1861 in Chelsea Anne Palmer bc.1822 Hackney - Married - is with the twins plus 2 older children:
Elizabeth Ann Woodin bc.1845 Kennington, Surrey (reg'd Dec.1844 Lambeth)
John Henry Woodin bc.1850 Old St. St. Lukes (reg'd Jun.1850 St. Luke) - GRO index confirms mmn as Catt and in 1851 these 2 children are with their maternal grandmother Ann Catt.
William Woodin married Ann Catt Mar.qtr.1844 Shoreditch - so, if married to a Woodin in 1844 how did she marry in her maiden name of Catt when she married Joseph Palmer in 1856??
In 1871 I haven't found Josephine but her brother Joseph is a servant in Birmingham which would tie in with what is known.
Annette
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Hi could Josephine A be the one born 1856 living in Handsworth, West Bromwich in 1871?
Census ref RG10/2972/35/6
Parents Joseph & Ann
Keyboard86
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Hi could Josephine A be the one born 1856 living in Handsworth, West Bromwich in 1871?
Census ref RG10/2972/35/6
Parents Joseph & Ann
Keyboard86
Hi this does appear to be Josephine A, plus John H Woodin b c 1850 is now a Palmer, also 2 additional children a Jessie S A b 1866 and a Francis R b 1867, I have located a baptism for Francis R but Jessie?
Francis Robert Palmer 25th November 1866 Great Barr St Margaret Father Joseph occ Butler Mother Annie address Great Barr Hall
Keyboard86
EDIT William Woodin was a widower occ Cheese Monger when he married Ann Catt Spinster 29th January 1844 St Mary, Haggerston, his Father Robert occ Baker
Father of Ann, John Catt occ Butcher
He looks to have been previously married to a Sophia Nightingale 7th December 1842 St Luke, Finsbury, her death could be that of the Sophia Woodin December qtr 1843 Croydon aged 20?
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Good find, keyboard - for anyone looking surname transcribed as 'Palmes' on Ancestry.
Annette
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Good find, keyboard - for anyone looking surname transcribed as 'Palmes' on Ancestry.
Annette
thank you Annette, you re brilliant !!! Didier
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Probate record 29 March 1900 London England
Frederick Squires of 41 Rue -De-la-Rampe Best
Died 22 February 1900
Spouse Josephine Ann Squires
Rosie
So that we all know is this Probate record correct?
Keyboard86
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Think the Probate record for Frederick Squires 1900 died Brest, France is almost certainly correct.
Looks like the couple departed England immediately after their marriage - they appear to have had 2 sons born in Brest:
Frederick Squires b.1871-1875 Brest
James Palmer Squires b.1881-1885 (or 1886-1890)
This is from the Consular Birth Indices for British National Born Overseas - unfortunately, these indexes don't state the specific year but believe that the one for Frederick is 1873. At first I thought there had been 2 sons named James Palmer (first one having died) as there are 2 entries as shown above. However, looking at original index pages the earlier one has his name obviously added later as has been squeezed in and has the same page number as the later entry.
I think that the son Frederick married in Brest in 1901-1905 possibly to a Jeanne Marie Barrois (who shares the same page number) and that he died there 1936-1940.
Can see nothing further for the other son James Palmer Squires or what happened to Josephine Ann after her husbands death in 1900 either in France or England.
Annette
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Hi again all, would really like to see how Ann Catt who married William Woodin 1844 legally married Joseph Palmer, the children of William & Ann as already located were with their Catt Grandparents in 1851 HO107/1506/179/17
Is Ann therefore the married Ann WOODING 29 occ Nurse b Hackney in Hanover Square in 1851 census HO107/1477/127/20?
Keyboard86
PS the Jessie Sarah Ann Palmer was born March qtr 1864 Saffron Walden, mmn Catt, she married William Stephen Gray and gives Debden as her pob throughout.