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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: Dexter 18 on Monday 12 June 17 12:19 BST (UK)
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Hi.
I got some help here before with my Henderson search and now I am looking for help with Kennedy.
My wife's great grandmother Sarah Henderson married John Kennedy and raised 11kids in East wall Dublin.
Not much was known about John .We knew from his sons diary that there was a 'teasy' and an 'alfie' and his father was also John. So to the1901 census and not only did we find her g grandfather, but her gg Grandfather and her
GGG grandfather all in the same house in Hawthorn terrace East wall and all named John. Birthplace of the oldest John is Fermanagh but then it gets weird. He married a girl from Galway ,had 4 kids in East India .1 in England and 1 in Dublin . I have no idea how to find out more so I thought i would ask the rootschat community for help.
Regards Robbie.
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for reference
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/North_Dock/Hawthorn_Terrace/1275143/
1911 ?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Mountjoy/Enaville_Terrace/23446/
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George's marriage 1904 to Bridget Lynch
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1904/10208/5715112.pdf
edited to add
they had
George 1904 at Henrietta Place
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01828/1714576.pdf
Thomas 1906 at North William St
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1906/01731/1684039.pdf
died 1906 at Henrietta Place
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1906/05554/4558776.pdf
mother Bridget appears to have died June 1907 from 33 North William St
number 215
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1907/05532/4560570.pdf
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John 66 died 1904 informant son George ,24 Hawthorn Tce, buried Glasnevin
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1904/05619/4580659.pdf
http://www.glasnevintrust.ie/genealogy/results/index.xml
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Birth for Alfred Kennedy (mother Mary Brennan)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/02008/1771658.pdf
Birth for Teresa Kennedy (mother Mary Brennan)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02173/1822981.pdf
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possibly the parents marriage 1887
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k92/
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John 1866 ?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGH5-T5H
George 1875
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGH4-6Q5
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Jane Kennedy is unmarred in 1901 but still with the name Kennedy is down as married 7 years in 1911.
There is a marriage that seems to be her, the address is the same as 1901 and the father is an Army Pensioner which fits with births in India, and one of the witnesses is Fred Kennedy.
Edward Moore and Jane Kennedy 1904
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1904/10208/5715069.pdf
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thanks guys i meant to attach the cencus page with my first post but my cheap tablet couldn't cope
so trying from elsewhere.
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thanks dathai, have spent the last 3 hours doing a crash course on the british east india company.
i found those 2 births also on find my past/british india office and there is also a marriage for john kennedy and mary moony (mooney ?) in 1863 so they all fit. robbie
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Re sinann
Yes ,it's strange Jane was married in 1904 ,and she states she has 2children in 1911 census.
Also strange how Mary the mother gives her birthplace as India but in 1901 it's Galway. I can't find any births of
Mary Mooney in Galway 1830 to 1855. Robbie.
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Jane say's ''none'' for children born alive.
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Jane say's ''none'' for children born alive.
Yes, it's George that has two children.
Looking at the handwriting and Mary's signature I don't think she filled in the return so India is possibly an error, in 1901 her husband John does appear to have filled in the return so you would expect he would get her birth place correct.
You would need to know where in Galway she was born to know if parish registers survive for that parish.
I just notice an interesting little thing, John has a distinct way of writing his d in Kennedy, Mary has written it the same way in her signature in 1911.
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Yes my mistake there .sorry.
It's amazing the way peoples ages and addresses and even where they are born changes.
Can you make out what George gives as his birthplace India and ??????.
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I think that George has written India & Foxrock but no idea why
but there is a place named Farour in the Punjab?
George KENNEDY m Bridget LYNCH on Jun 25 1904 (some info here previously given by dathai)
LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1904/10208/5715112.pdf)
I wondered if he was referring to where his children were born but not so:
George Thomas Jun 03 1904 (noting date) LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01828/1714576.pdf) and
Thomas Aug 10 1906 LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1906/01731/1684039.pdf)
Bridget KENNEDY died on Jun 18 1907 LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1907/05532/4560570.pdf)
Thomas seems to be with his LYNCH grandparents in 1911 LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Mountjoy/Clarence_St__North/27734/)
and this is possibly George in hospital (#46) with diphtheria LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000157110/)
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Thomas 1906 at North William St
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1906/01731/1684039.pdf
died 1906 at Henrietta Place
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1906/05554/4558776.pdf
dathai
I'm not sure that the death on Sept 16 1906 is the same child although the name and address is correct. The age given was 7 months and George's son Thomas was born on August 10 1906 making him just 5 weeks old. Also the fact that George stated that he had two living children in 1911
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Jane Kennedy is unmarred in 1901 but still with the name Kennedy is down as married 7 years in 1911.
I wonder is this because she is with her parents and all the children's names were shown as KENNEDY and the enumerator did not notice the fact she was also shown as married?
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Thanks myluck that's a good find on the hospital one.
Funny thing on George's marriage June 04 Father's occupation is clerk .in Jane's just a month later father is army pensioner and a month later fathers death he is a storeman. I'm assuming he was British army in India but it seems usual that he was able to marry and have 3 kids there. He obviously didn't see much action. (In the field anyway)
Robbie.
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Thanks to the tip off here about findmypast being free I was able to get access to John Kennedy s time in India.
He was born 1839 in Enniskillen . signed up for the army in Dublin at 18. Seemed to go straight to India as a private
In the 33rd foot. Then a Gunner , bombardier ,promoted to corporal and then sergeant in the Royal artillery. I couldn't find anything about battles etc he may have been involved in. However I did find his marriage to Mary Mooney (age 17) in Sholapoor in 1864. They had 3 children out there and after 20 years service came to England (stated in his papers intended residence Leicster. This would have been 1877 . They had 1 child in England and came to Dublin soon after and had 1 more child Jane. it was great to see the actual documents from the time.
P.s. John is my wife's ggg grandfather. Robbie
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Here is johns service record .He even managed to spend 2 months in prison .Wish it said what the charges were. Robbie
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as you said myluck I'm not sure if baby Thomas is alive or dead. I think this is them at georges marriage with thomas as witness. The 'K' in kennedy is kinda similar ?? robbie
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Hi Dexter,
We must be related, or at least your wife must be a distant relation of mine.
Sarah Henderson, originally of Tullow in Carlow, was my grandfathers mother.
I’ve only just registered and joined here because I came across your post. Am still figuring out how this site works...
How exciting. Get in touch.
Caitlín
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Hi,
Good to hear from you, when you have 3 posts on here you can pm me and I can send you some stuff that way. My wife is the granddaughter of William (Billy )Kennedy , the son of John Kennedy and Sarah Henderson. The Henderson s had a shoemakers shop in East Wall.
Regards Robbie