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Title: 1939 register
Post by: Triboy on Saturday 10 June 17 16:44 BST (UK)
Does anyone know what the dates represent when names are changed on the 1939 register?
I have come across one or two that have been changed but the dates attached are not when the event took place. Is there any significance in the dates shown or is it simply a delay in catching up. I had thought it was when the event took place but am beginning to think it must be something to do with the NHS.
How can a change of name for a male be tracked down? No record looks to have been made.
Title: Re: 1939 register
Post by: Guy Etchells on Saturday 10 June 17 17:04 BST (UK)
They are when the change was notified to the NHS/doctor.
This may be after a marriage, or at a hospital visit or doctor's visit after the change of name took place.
It is normally reasonably soon after the change but in some cases could be years if the person does not go to their doctor or a hospital.
Cheers
Guy
Title: Re: 1939 register
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Saturday 10 June 17 17:09 BST (UK)
They are when the change was notified to the NHS/doctor.
This may be after a marriage, or at a hospital visit or doctor's visit after the change of name took place.
It is normally reasonably soon after the change but in some cases could be years if the person does not go to their doctor or a hospital.
Cheers
Guy

Thanks Guy,

Interesting to know, I also wondered about dates if they seemed out of sync.

Cas
Title: Re: 1939 register
Post by: Mean_genie on Sunday 11 June 17 21:37 BST (UK)
If a change of name was by deed poll, there may be no easily accessible record, because most deed polls weren't registered. If a child's name was changed, this could be due to  adoption, and it is obviously difficult to find independent corroboration of this.
Title: Re: 1939 register
Post by: carol8353 on Sunday 11 June 17 23:19 BST (UK)
The date on the 1939 for my mum's first marriage to my dad was only 11 days afterwards.

But her second marriage as a widow was just under 2 months after the event.

Carol
Title: Re: 1939 register
Post by: chris_49 on Monday 12 June 17 11:13 BST (UK)
If a change of name was by deed poll, there may be no easily accessible record, because most deed polls weren't registered. If a child's name was changed, this could be due to  adoption, and it is obviously difficult to find independent corroboration of this.
I have (just one)  person who changed their name, presumably by deed poll? - after 1939 - and the 1939 was amended accordingly.
Title: Re: 1939 register
Post by: Jebber on Monday 12 June 17 11:18 BST (UK)
If a change of name was by deed poll, there may be no easily accessible record, because most deed polls weren't registered. If a child's name was changed, this could be due to  adoption, and it is obviously difficult to find independent corroboration of this.

Changes of name by Deed Poll can be found recorded in the London Gazette.
Title: Re: 1939 register
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 12 June 17 11:19 BST (UK)
All deed polls are registered!
Deed Polls must be registered  at the Royal Courts of Justice, and are posted in The Gazette.

But, you don't need a Deed Poll to change your name?!
People in the UK can use whatever name they wish - just as long as there is no intention to deceive or defraud.
Title: Re: 1939 register
Post by: AntonyMMM on Monday 12 June 17 11:26 BST (UK)
Registering a deed poll change of name with the courts  was optional, and cost extra therefore the majority are not registered.

But if it is registered (known as enrolled) then details will be at the National Archives (Series J18) and it will also be published in the London Gazette.
Title: Re: 1939 register
Post by: Triboy on Monday 12 June 17 19:41 BST (UK)
I had guessed that it was something to do with needing medical attention of some kind as in one case it was at least a year after the event that the record was changed.
In the other case it looks as if one of the people simply wanted to disappear. No record has been found anywhere so far and it is unlikely that either a passport or driving licence was wanted or needed
The other case known about was on a second marriage which I accept was standard practice in the case of a woman.
It looks as though there is no way to find out any more. I was hoping to find out when the change took place and when the person died. The only evidence is now purely coincidental.
I would have thought that there should be some sort of register.
Title: Re: 1939 register
Post by: Mean_genie on Monday 12 June 17 21:35 BST (UK)
If a name was changed while National Registration was still in force, the record was normally updated fairly quickly. After 1952 the register was used only by the NHS and it was no longer a legal requirement to notify all changes of name or address, so it might take a while (even years) before the person got around to notifying their GP.