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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: Lees Lady on Tuesday 06 June 17 13:22 BST (UK)
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I have the death certificate of Elizabeth Jane Lees. I can't make out where it says her place of birth is. I believe she was born in the United Kingdom, but I'm not sure what this specifically says.
Thank you for your deciphering help!
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The closest sensible suggestion I can get is Ireland.
Although the second letter looks more like a h than an r
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Ireland possibly but that second letter is a problem :-\ at first I thought it was Thailand ;D
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The closest sensible suggestion I can get is Ireland.
Although the second letter looks more like a h than an r
Agree that it's probably a badly written Ireland but the surname is Lee not Lees.
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I'm confident the second letter is 'h' - compare with "South" on "street and number". Very good match.
BugBear
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If the last written word for Ward: is (indeed) "Ward", the last letter of our word must also be 'd'.
BugBear
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Overall, I think it says "Iheland", i.e. Ireland with a 'h' in it, perhaps the writer just typo'd (if you see what I mean).
BugBear
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I'm wondering if it the pronunciation was to blame. I seem to recall people who said Ihreland. ???
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There is a better record of this death on Family Search and it states her place of birth is Ireland.
The record is Philadelphia City Death Certificates 1803 to 1915
Hopefully the below link will take you to the record:-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-677W-8PH?i=398&cc=1320976
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There is a better record of this death on Family Search and it states her place of birth is Ireland.
The record is Philadelphia City Death Certificates 1803 to 1915
Hopefully the below link will take you to the record:-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-677W-8PH?i=398&cc=1320976
Yes, little doubt from both records that she was born in Ireland but as I stated earlier her surname is LEE not Lees.
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I think Lee might be a transcription error. In my ancestry research, I have seen this error often for Lees. Elizabeth Jane Lees' address was listed on her toddler son's (Samuel Lees, death 1871) death certificate. It was almost exactly the same as the one on this death certificate.
Her death record says Rear South 610.
Her son's death certificate says Back South 634, a year prior.
It seems like too big of a coincidence for for there to be a Elizabeth Jane Lees with practically the same address as a Elizabeth Jane Lee. Plus, I can't find any other record of Elizabeth Jane Lee other than this death record, while I can find others of Elizabeth Jane Lees...although it is frustrating because sometimes she is listed as Jane Lees and sometimes she is listed as Elizabeth Lees. She is also buried in the same cemetery as the toddler son (Samuel) that died, and her baby Thomas.
If anyone is up for this challenge, if she was born in Ireland, could you try to find one of the following:
Her birth/baptism record
Marriage record (husband James Lees, born 1831 in England. He immigrated to the US in 1858)
Her immigration record
Unfortunately, I don't know her maiden name.
Thank you for any assistance!
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Both records give her surname as LEE not Lees so it is not a transcription error although possibly just someone writing the wrong name. Mount Moriah is a huge cemetery so that doesn't prove a connection but a match for the address makes it much more likely.
Registration of births in Ireland started in 1864 and for baptism record you'll need to know her maiden name, where the family lived (parish if not actual townland not just the county) and their religion- and then see what records might exist (not all records survive and of those that do not all are online).
If husband was born in England and she in Ireland it's likely they married in Philadelphia or at least U.S.
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Yes, you are right. I meant handwriting error. Here is an example of the kind of error I find.
I can't attach the actual record, but for the toddler's death certificate, it lists his last name as Lee but both his parents are listed as Lees.
Name Samuel Lee
Birth Date abt 1870
Birth Place Phila
Death Date 9 Aug 1871
Death Place Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Age at Death 1 year 4 months 21 days
Burial Date 10 Aug 1871
Burial Place Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Gender Male
Race White
Street Address back 634 South St
Cemetery Mount Moriah
Father James Lees
Mother Jane Lees
FHL Film Number 2020944
This mistake happens all the time and makes it pretty challenging to search for records. I've also seen it written Lers and Lus. Ugh.
I've been searching for Elizabeth Jane ???? just about everywhere. Pennsylvania, England, Scotland, Ireland. There is one record of a James Lees marrying an Elizabeth J Berk in 1858 in Pennsylvania, but I can't find any other record about her other than that. Any suggestions on how to find a woman's maiden name?
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Regarding the marriage between James Lees and Elizabeth J Berk, if that happens to be them, perhaps the name Berk could have been written as a phonetic version of Burke, a common name in Ireland. I have never come across the name Berk in Ireland.