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While on a trip to Edinburgh I went to the Scotspeople registry to do some searching. I had 3 main searches to do and was helped by one of the gentlemen working there. I wanted to find the death of my 2nd great grandfather Partick McIver born 1848 in Cannongate and lived most of his life in Edinburgh. The last census I had of him was 1901 with him living in the registry district of Newington at 71 Hill Place, Midlothian. My helper took that infor and came back to me telling me he found his death certificate. He had me save that page to my list of other things I was going to print off when I left. I got home to find that the only thing I had from his help was the cover of the Enumeration Book . The printing is very faded. The name of the institution is Home Of The Little Sisters Of The Poor. County of Edinburgh, Registration District of Morningside.
Can anyone help me to find his name in this book or any information about his death?
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Can you remember the date of the death (even approximately) and have you searched for it on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk?
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Was just adding this
Scotland People have this 1911 census entry but you need credits to view
MCIVER PATRICK 1911 M 63 685/6 102/ 3 Morningside Midlothian
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I was at the Scotspeople registry in person and looked for his death. That was where I came across the information that he died in Morningside in 1911. After spending $3,000.00 on my trip to the UK I think I will wait to pay get the copy of his death certificate:-) I might find it on another site that is free to use.
Thank you for your reply!
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Sorry Flowerdoll you will not get a copy of his full death certificate on any free site. You may get an index but not all the details as to his parentage, wife, who registered his death etc.
The only place to obtain this is the Scotlandspeople website as advised by avm228.
It is inexpensive to use.
Dorrie
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I was at the Scotspeople registry in person and looked for his death.
That was where I came across the information that he died in Morningside in 1911.
After spending $3,000.00 on my trip to the UK I think I will wait to pay get the copy of his death certificate:-) I might find it on another site that is free to use.
I can't see any 1911 death entry on Scotlandpeople for a Patrick McIver in Morningside ???
only this death
MCIVER PATRICK age 54 1911 644/12 214 Hillhead
the other entry I posted from Scotlandpeople was for the 1911 Scottish Census in the RD district of Morningside
MCIVER PATRICK 1911 M age 63 685/6 102/ 3 Morningside Midlothian
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While on a trip to Edinburgh I went to the Scotspeople registry to do some searching. I had 3 main searches to do and was helped by one of the gentlemen working there.
I wanted to find the death of my 2nd great grandfather Partick McIver born 1848 in Cannongate and lived most of his life in Edinburgh.
The last census I had of him was 1901 with him living in the registry district of Newington at 71 Hill Place, Midlothian.
My helper took that infor and came back to me telling me he found his death certificate.
He had me save that page to my list of other things I was going to print off when I left.
I got home to find that the only thing I had from his help was the cover of the Enumeration Book . The printing is very faded.
The name of the institution is Home Of The Little Sisters Of The Poor. County of Edinburgh, Registration District of Morningside.
Can anyone help me to find his name in this book or any information about his death?
Can we confirm that this is your Patrick McIver on all the following censuses it may help others looking
1851 Canongate, 305, Midlothian, Scotland
James McIver Head 45 Shoemaker -
Susan McIver Wife 40 Shoemakers Wife -
John McIver Son 13 Scholar Canongate, Midlothian, Scotland
Thomas McIver Son 10 Scholar Canongate, Midlothian, Scotland
Susan McIver Daughter 7 Scholar Canongate, Midlothian, Scotland
Patrick McIver Son 3 At Home Canongate, Midlothian, Scotland
William McIver Son 11 mo Due United States
Mary McCusky Mother-In-Law 60 Formerly House Servant -
Jane Law Servant 16 House Servant Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
1861 Canongate, Midlothian, Scotland
James McIver Head 67 Shoemaker Ireland
Susan McIver Wife 60 - Ireland
Susan McIver Daughter 17 Laundress City, Midlothian, Scotland
Patrick McIver Son 13 Scholar City, Midlothian, Scotland
Charles Erskine Boarder 24 Shoemaker Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Daniel Frail Boarder 1835 Shoemaker Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
1871 Cowgate, 325, Lady Yesters, Canongate, Midlothian
John McIver Head Married 34 Shoe Manufacturer St Cuthbert's, Midlothian, Scotland
Mary Ann McIver Wife Married Shoe Binder 35 St Giles, Midlothian, Scotland
Henry McIver Son - 9 Scholar St Cuthbert's, Midlothian, Scotland
Susan McIver Mother Widow 58 Hawker In Shoes Ireland
Patrick McIver Brother Married 23 Shoemaker St Cuthbert's, Midlothian,
Margaret McIver Sister-In-Law Married 20 Shoe Binder St Cuthbert's, Midlothian,
James McIver Nephew - 2 - England
Peter McIver Nephew - b 1871 - St Giles, Midlothian, Scotland
David Craig Boarder - 14 Shoemaker Apprentice Glasgow,
1881 Nethergate, 18, Dundee, St Clement, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
Catherine Nicoll Head Married 58 Lodging House Keeper Inverarity,
Isabella Nicoll Daughter Unmarried 20 Boot Fitter Struan, Perthshire, Scotland
Patrick McIver Lodger Married 33 Slippermaker
1891 Paul Street, St Cuthbert Edinburgh, Newington, Midlothian
Patrick McIver Head Married 41 Slipper Maker Midlothian, Scotland
Mary McLaughin - Unmarried 30 Housekeeper Ireland
Maggie Mciver McLaughin Daughter 4 Midlothian, Scotland
1901 71 Hill Place Newington
Patrick Mciver 56 Edinburgh shoemaker
Thomas Mciver 2 son
Susan Mciver 1 mth dau
Mary McLaughlan 39 friend
Margaret Neil 70 boarder
Do you know where his children Thomas & Susan were living in 1911?
and possibly on the
1911 census in RD of Morningside
Patrick McIver age 63
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The death that Ladyhawk found is not your Patrick McIver. This one died on 9th March 1911 and the census was taken on 2nd April 1911.
I've downloaded the image for the 1911 census so if Flowerdoll would like to contact me via pm I will arrange to send her the image.
Edit: I've found his death in 1920, recorded as McIvor instead of McIver. I have also downloaded this to my computer.
As I remarked further up the page, please get in touch Flowerdoll if you would like the images.
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Ladyhawk, that is my Patrick in the census you have listed. He was born in 1848. His daughter Susan died in 1900 at 11 months old. not sure on Thomas.
Girl Guide, I will contact you.
I have tried to post the page that I printed off while at the registry. I will try again. My harddrive died on my computer so I am trying to get used to the programs again:-( this is one time change is not good:-)
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The death that Ladyhawk found is not your Patrick McIver.
This one died on 9th March 1911 and the census was taken on 2nd April 1911.
I've downloaded the image for the 1911 census so if Flowerdoll would like to contact me via pm I will arrange to send her the image.
Edit: I've found his death in 1920, recorded as McIvor instead of McIver.
Well found Girl Guide :)
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Flowerdoll did contact me and I've sent her the images.
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Flowerdoll did contact me and I've sent her the images.
Thanks for the update I'm sure she was delighted :)
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I haven't had a reply yet. I think she must be based outside the UK as she said that she had spent $3000 on her trip to the UK.
But I'm sure she will be delighted.
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Oh, yes I am delighted!! thank you. Patrick's death certificate also answered another question, was his first wife Margaret still alive and she is listed as the widow so she was still out there somewhere:-) but brings up the big question of why her kids, my great grandmother Lizzie and her brother Hugh ended up in the poor house and were brought to Canada by Emma Sterling. What happened to Patrick and Margaret's marriage? He was in a boarding house in between Margaret and Mary his live-in housekeeper/mother of 3 more children:-)
I have another mystery with this McIver family:-) and once I get my facts all down in a better timeline I will be asking for some more help. Fresh eyes always help:-)
Edit: I see that Patrick is listed as widower of Margaret so she died before him. Must be why the 2 children were in the home.
I live in Canada and my trip to the UK was my trip of a lifetime. I was so sad that after 5 days in London and arriving in Edinburgh on day 6 my knee went and I ended up going to the emergency and spent 2 1/2 days in the apartment. I could not do any castles, missed out on 2 booked tours. I had streets and churches that I wanted to see related to my ancestors. We went on to Ireland for 4 days with me limping along. Maybe one day after knee replacement:-) I can return to Edinburgh and do it they way I planned.
Thanks to all of you who have helped me with this and other times I have posted looking for help.
This genealogy is so much fun when you are not pulling your hair out over so many wrong turns LOL