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Hi Friends and Family:
I am trying to get any leads on my great great grandparents
John Clayton possible birth 1784 in Glentworth, Lincolnshire, England who married
Elizabeth (Isabel) Webber possible birth 28 Apr 1792 in Stainton Le Vale, Lincolnshire, England
Any help appreciated
Christine Benfield
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Had a look at Trees.
Did those names as Parents come from the Death Cert of John Clayton born 1822 London?
Died 1907 Australia?
One Tree has John Snr dying 1831 London.
I have found the 1851 Census Lincs where those dob/pob's are given for John/Elizabeth Clayton you mention.
There is this Marriage;
25 May 1779, St Michael, Glentworth. Lincolnshire
John CLAYTON, Labourer to Rebekah HURD, Spinster
Both of Glentworth Parish at time of Marriage
2nd Marriage;
Rebecca CLAYTON, Widow***, married JOSEPH WALKER, Widower, 19 Dec 1799 same Church
Burial;
REBECCA Walker, Wife of JOSEPH Walker, 16 April 1818 same Church. Age 71**
Joseph Walker was buried 19 Aug 1843 age 90*
On FreeREG.
1861 Elizabeth is born c 1791.
Trish :)
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Hello
Not sure what you are after.
John Clayton baptised Glentworth 4.12.1784 s of John and Rebekah
siblings- Mary 12.3.1780
Jane29.8.1781
Nathaniel 20.5.1786
Edward 24.5.1788 father labourer
Dixon 27.10.1790
Rebekah 19.11.1782
George 24.10.1789
William 25.5.1793
The couple married 25.5.1779 John Clayton and Rebekah Hurd both of this parish.
John was buried 1742-22.4.1794
Rebecca remarried a Joseph Walker widower 19.12.1799 and she was buried 16.4.1818,her birth 1747.
Not sure of John's senior baptism but I'd go with Wickenby 29.3.1740 to William and Mary.
Rebecca Hurd 13.3.1746 d of William and Rebecca at Glentwoth.The couple had married 27.5.1746,her name Rebecca Dixon.
You must have the marriage in 1810 to have Elizabeth's maiden name and the 1851 census which gives their birthplaces so what do you want to know?
I can't find Elizabeth's birth but you must already have an idea to have the birth date.
Sorry to duplicate some of the stuff.
Ciderdrinker
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Hi Ciderdrinker.
I think there is something wrong here.
Trees have John Clayton/Elizabeth Webber marrying 1810 (from memory in London)
Dont know if this is the right Marriage though that why I asked what supported it.
Son John born 1822 married in Australia.
1851 John/Elizabeth are in Blyton, Lincs
Thats where those pob/dob come from.
1841 in Blyton we have;
John Clayton, 55
Elizabeth Clayton, 45
John Clayton, 9*****
So 1832???
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Sorry I am about to bow out. Need an early night.
Back tomorrow :)
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Hi Trish 1120 and Ciderdrinker.
This is great thank you for replying. I am trying to recreate their tree with a little more fact. The son John born 1822 married in Australia is the one I want to branch off.
He was my great grandfather and married Emma Hursfield in Australia.
I am hoping to get back further than John and Isabel in my tree.
This all sounds promising with parents for John Snr as well.
Thanks again Chris
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Yes the parents names did come from the Death Cert of John Clayton born 1822 London?
Can anyone find anymore detail on this John (my great grandfather) baptism?
He died 18 December 1907 buried Kerang Cemetery Victoria Australia.
Death Certificate only says aged 85, which does equate to 1822.
Place of birth only says London England?
Thanks Chris
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Ok I dont think the Lincs ones are yours.
Someone has John Snr dying 1832 London.
I'm busy at the moment, dinner etc, will see what I can find later.
If anyone else wants to help in the mean time please do :)
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Do you know when John Jnr arrived in Australia?
Would he appear 1841/1851 Census in London area?
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Trish 1120 : This is all I have to go on from a local paper: Seems like he was here by 1840 and he would have been around 18 years old.
Kerang - Past & Present
A few of the old pioneers of the early days still remain in the district. Among these is Mr John
Clayton, who resides on the Lower Loddon, a couple of miles below the town. Mr Clayton who
is now 83 years of age and still enjoying good health, ran away from his ship in Port Jackson in
1840 and assisted in bringing over sheep from the Sydney side to Reedy Lake for Mr Curlewis.
In 1843 he was with Major Mitchell's party which was carrying out surveys in the northern part
of Victoria. After the discovery of gold in '51 he tried his luck at the diggings and was thereby
enabled to take a trip to the old country in '55. After his return he was for 12 years boundary
riding for Mr C. B. Fisher on the Gannawarra run and has resided in the district with his family
ever since.
written on page: Dear Bob. In a history of Kerang written by my grandfather when he owned
the local paper (1904). I came across the reference to your grandfather & thought you would be
interested. signed I. Adams.
[source: taken from "Kerang - Past & Present" 1904, a reprint from the Kerang New Times
Christmas edition. Prepared by George Adams, proprietor.]
certificate registration numbers:
birth -
marriage entry – 731 – 1856 to Emma Hurstfield
death entry 12705 - 1907 85 years.
Thanks Chris
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** just bookmarking back tomorrow
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Hello
Sorry not to check in for a few days but I've been away.
So let's start with that marriage in 1810 at St Marylebone 11.6.1810
John Clayton and Elizabeth Webber bach and spinster both of this parish
He signs and she makes her mark.
witnesses John Defoe? and mark of ? Pickering.
And that's were I see the problem because they do seem to disappear.
No sign of them having children
???
possible burial John Clayton 1.5.1831 at Uxbridge age 44 but that clashes with the 1851 census which gives the place of birth for him.But relooking at the 1851 census they are back in Lincolnshire which is unlikely.
Ciderdrinker
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Hi Ciderdrinker. That is a little worrying. I really don't have much to go on except whats on my Johns death cert in Australia in 1907.
On his death cert parents are listed as John Clayton and Isabel Clayton formally Webber.
On his marriage cert To Emma Hurstfield parents are listed as John Clayton and Elizabeth Webber.
Thanks Chris
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The marriage in Middlesex, in 1810 then possible death of John snr in 1831.
An Elizabeth Clayton in the workhouse at St George Hanover Square in 1841 age 50?
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Grrrr why do I have to have the complicated rellies. Um not sure where to go to from here. I have some research that was done here in Australia, I will re-read it and see if there is anything helpful in it.
Chris
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I was wondering why, according to the Kerang Past and Present piece, John "Ran away from his ship in Port Jackson"? And if that was 1840 he must have left UK before any census.
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Here's John Clayton's obituary - it's pretty similar to what was written previously ...
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article89416282
Ros
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Yes that is interesting glenclare.
Ok, back to 1841 Census in Blyton, Lincolnshire
JOHN Clayton Christened 18 July 1831, Blyton, Lincolnshire
Parents JOHN/MARY Clayton
(F/S.Org)
So this John the Grandson of John/Elizabeth??
Or Elizabeth a second Wife for John?
If Grandson it looks to me that they have a Son JOHN born much earlier!
John (1831) is easy to find in Census, marrried by 1861 Census ( to Sarah RHODES 1854 in Yorkshire).
Unfortunately Marriage is not on-line that I can find.
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Can anyone find any proof for me for this entry.
Emma HURSTFIELD was baptized on 14 Dec 1834 in St. James, Didsbury, Lancashire, England
Thanks Chris
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Can anyone find any proof for me for this entry.
Emma HURSTFIELD was baptized on 14 Dec 1834 in St. James, Didsbury, Lancashire, England
Thanks Chris
Emma Hurstfield
Baptism Date: 14 Dec 1834
Baptism Place: Didsbury, St James, Lancashire, England
Father: Randle Hurstfield, servant
Mother: Martha Hurstfield
source Manchester, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915
EDITED
Also these HURSTFIELD baptism at St James Didsbury
parents Randel/Randal/Randall, servant & Martha
Randle 17 Feb 1828
John 15 Nov 1829
Mary 22 Apr 1832
Charles 7 Jun 1840 abode Heaton Norris
The HURSTFIELD family can be found on this 1841 census, along with Emma
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQGM-B7Z
HO107; Piece: 582Civil Parish: Manchester ED 11; Folio: 27; Page: 11
and 1851 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGVJ-QQH
HO107; Piece: 2155; Folio: 345; Page: 14
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Thank you. She was my great grandma and later came to Australia with her parents.
She married in Australia to John Clayton. I am now hoping for some proof of his baptism
born around 1822 London, parents John Clayton and Elizabeth (Isabel Webber).
Thanks Chris