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Title: Ella Allads, Parents
Post by: Rainbow Rebel on Monday 08 May 17 06:47 BST (UK)
I am trying to locate parents for Ella Allads.

Ella was born circa 1868 in Camden Town, Middlesex, England. Ella lived was with his grandparents (Vile) in Somerset in 1871.

Possible Mother Ella Jane Vile.

Is Allads a mis spelling?
Title: Re: Ella Allads, Parents
Post by: Kay99 on Monday 08 May 17 07:21 BST (UK)
The GRO Birth Index lists the following birth??  :-\

ELLA  JANE   ALLDIS  Mothers Surname VILE        
GRO Ref 1867  Sept Qter  PANCRAS  Vol 01B  Page 115

Kay

Added  There is this marriage with two of possible people listed as Alldis and Vile???

Dec Qtr 1865   
John   Alldis - Marylebone 1a   936    
Mary Matilda Vile -  Marylebone 1a    936   
Title: Re: Ella Allads, Parents
Post by: Kay99 on Monday 08 May 17 07:32 BST (UK)
1881 Ella (Ellen??) and family -Living in St Pancras.  All children born there (In 1911 mother Mary listed a Mary Matilda Alldis)

Mary Alldis    40 Head  Langport, Somerset
Ellen Alldis    13
Alfred Alldis 11
Edith Alldis 8
Elizabeth Alldis    5
Constance Alldis 3
Margaret Alldis    7 months

1871 living in Camden Town

John Alldis    32 St Pancras, Middlesex,
Mary Alldis    30
James A Alldis 1

(there is a possible death of John Alldis in Jan Qtr 1881 Pancras)
Title: Re: Ella Allads, Parents
Post by: Rainbow Rebel on Monday 08 May 17 18:40 BST (UK)
I'm thinking Ella and Ellen might be two different children. Ella will not be on the St, Pancras census as he was in Somerset.
Title: Re: Ella Allads, Parents
Post by: Jomot on Tuesday 09 May 17 00:58 BST (UK)
You refer to Ella as "he" but the 1871 1881 census for Somerset shows an Ella J Alldis (female) aged 13 as a visitor to the home of Eliza Talbot.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q276-WHMS
Title: Re: Ella Allads, Parents
Post by: Rainbow Rebel on Tuesday 09 May 17 05:59 BST (UK)
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
Timothy D Vile   Head   M   63   Curry Rivel, Somerset
Rebecca Vile   Wife   F   66   Muchelney, Somerset
Elizabeth A Vile   Daughter   F   27   Langport, Somerset
Emma Edith Vile   Daughter   F   25   Langport, Somerset
John Vile           Son      M   23   Langport, Somerset
Ella Allads           Grandson   M   3   Camden Town, Middlesex


Census on Family Search for 1871 Langport, Somerset.
Mary Vine was a daughter of Timothy & Rebecca.
Clearly states Grandson.

Are there two different grandchildren?
Title: Re: Ella Allads, Parents
Post by: Rainbow Rebel on Tuesday 09 May 17 06:25 BST (UK)
This is getting real confusing,

(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSF7-5JL)

(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFJ2-9LG)

(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VB6Z-D5Y)

(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q273-TGHG)

Are there different families?
Title: Re: Ella Allads, Parents
Post by: Kay99 on Tuesday 09 May 17 06:36 BST (UK)
I attach an extract of the 1871 census and I think Ella is listed as grandau...  and another extract further down the page of a person who was a grandson.  I can see  why there is confusion but think Ella is a granddaughter

Kay
Title: Re: Ella Allads, Parents
Post by: Kay99 on Tuesday 09 May 17 06:51 BST (UK)
Quote from: Rainbow Rebel on Tuesday 09 May 17 06:25 BST (UK)
This is getting real confusing,

(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSF7-5JL)

(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFJ2-9LG)

(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VB6Z-D5Y)

(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q273-TGHG)

Are there different families?

The first Vine family don't appear to be related
The second family are yours plus Ella in 1871
The third family are Ella's parents without Ella in 1871 with son James Alfred
The fourth family I think Ella's Mother Mary and siblings in 1881 - I think James Alfred in listed as Alfred

I still think Ellen in 1881 might be Ella and she was double counted in the census by mistake.  I can't see a birth for an Ellen/Helen in the right timeframe although there is an earlier birth for an Ella (mother's maiden name Vile) who died in the same quarter

Births Jun 1866 
Birth Ella  ALLDIS   Pancras    1b   130   
Deaths Jun 1866   
Ella ALLDIS Age 0 Pancras    1b   100

Title: Re: Ella Allads, Parents
Post by: Kay99 on Tuesday 09 May 17 07:21 BST (UK)
From the GRO Birth Index Alldis births with mothers maiden name Vile in addition to the Ella births (although Margaret's mothers maiden name is listed as Pile! )

JAMES  ALFRED ALLDIS   GRO Ref 1869  Dec Quarter PANCRAS  Vol 01B  Page 120
EMMA  EDITH  ALLDIS   GRO Ref 1872  Dec Quarter PANCRAS  Vol 01B  Page 121
ELIZABETH  ANN   ALLDIS   GRO Ref1875  June Quarter  PANCRAS  Vol 01B  Page 125
CONSTANCE  MARIAN  ALLDIS GRO Ref 1878  March Quarter  PANCRAS  Vol 01B  Page 125
MARGARET    VILE  ALLDIS GRO Ref 1880  Sept Quarter PANCRAS  Vol 01B  Page 128
Title: Re: Ella Allads, Parents
Post by: Rainbow Rebel on Tuesday 09 May 17 08:18 BST (UK)
I am now trying to establish the connection between Eliza Talbot and Ella J Alldis.

(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q276-WHMS)

Eliza Biddlecombe (Jan 1918) of Shalfleet, Hampshire married Charles Talbot on 21st February 1841.

I think Ella J Alldis' Grandmother was Rebecca Biddlecombe.

Trying to connect Eliza and Rebecca.