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Hi I'm looking for Robert Henry Sobey born pembroke 1899.
He was in the merchant navy which he gave a false dob so must have been about 14 when he joined.
He had children in Grimsby in the 1920s with his his partner Rose Hammond. They were never married
These children were put into the Grimsby lincolnshire children's home around 1930 as their mother was put into Lincoln mental home, Robert never came to pick up the children and they remained there until adults.
After searching ancestry and find my past I cannot find any trace of him or a possible death His mother was Matilda Marion Sobey (webber, 1868-1937) his father was William Sobey (1864-1906) His mother remarried John Eden and then Albert Fielding. There is plenty of information but nothing for his death or where he might have lived after 1930
Are there other research possibilities ?
Any help much appreciated
Gwen
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Have you already looked for him on the 1939 register?
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Have you checked passenger lists to see if he went abroad?
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There's a Robert H Sobey marriage in Jun 1937 Tynemouth
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The possible wife to that 1937 appears to be living in Bristol - might have been born around 1922.
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No help with your search I'm afraid.
But here is an interesting snippet about a Robert SOBEY, serving as crew on the Honoria, a steam drifter (?) out of Grimsby in 1925.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article203139184
Ros
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Yes ive noticed the possible marriage I think he did have another child who died with someone else ill check.this No I havent got access to 1939 His sister went to Australia.
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Thanks ros
If that was him then he must have left the merchant navy by then
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When searching Find My Past did you discount "Harry Sobey", born Haverfordwest
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Just compared "Harry Sobey, Haverfordwest, height 5'11, hair light brown, eyes blue, born 1900/01 (FindMyPast Merchant Seaman record)" with "Robert Henry Sobey, Pembroke, 5'6 1/2", blue eyes, light brown hair, born 1896 (FindMyPast Royal Navy record)"
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What was the name of the sister who went to Australia? Do you have her death notice? There is a small chance that Robert may have been mentioned in her death notice.
Ros
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Just compared "Harry Sobey, Haverfordwest, height 5'11, hair light brown, eyes blue, born 1900/01 (FindMyPast Merchant Seaman record)" with "Robert Henry Sobey, Pembroke, 5'6 1/2", blue eyes, light brown hair, born 1896 (FindMyPast Royal Navy record)"
:) :) :)
On the image of the document where it has his height as 5'6½", etc ….. to the left of that detail it seems to be giving an address in Aberdeen, Scotland, possibly a date too perhaps of 27/6/64. I wonder if that is significant info.
JM
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There is a Robert SOBEY arriving in Australia in 1952 accompanied by other SOBEY's on the Strathaird. There are no ages given. They are headed for Port Lincoln in South Australia
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k0x/
Ros
edited to shrink link
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I believe harry was his brother they are both on census and also a school record at the same time. It said both ran away to sea
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... His sister went to Australia.
Is this a sister migrating to Australia?
COX Frank born 3 May 1903 and Alice Maud COX (nee Sobey) born 9 February 1903; travelled per NEW AUSTRALIA departing UK on 29 August 1951 under the Assisted Passage Migration Scheme
http://naa.gov.au/collection/search/
JM
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His sister was alice maud sobey married frank they went to Oz in 1955 her married name was cox they went with their son and his wife
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So I wonder if her married and went to Oz ?
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Sorry 1951 not 1955
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Dorothy or ian dont ring a bell he had a brother john
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His sister was alice maud sobey married frank they went to Oz in 1955 her married name was cox they went with their son and his wife
:) I have already posted the info for Alice Maud and Frank COX migrating to Australia in 1951, as per the main index at the National Archives of Australia :)
JM
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Yes sorry think we posted same time jim thanks
wonder if dorothy was his wife perhaps
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Need to go out will check back later thanks everyone for you help
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:) My post is timed at 37 minutes past the hour, and your reply is timed at 44 minutes past the hour. :)
I included a live link to the NAA website for you to access their site :) Here's a further live link :
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/Scripts/PassengerSearch.asp
If you enter COX and New Australia (the ship they came on) and 1951 you will see Frank and Alice were the only ones with surname COX on that particular voyage, BUT .... :D :D you will see others with that surname came same year on an earlier voyage of that same ship.
You don't need to fill in every field in that search dialogue box, and sometimes 'less is more' :)
JM
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From NSW BDM
1966 COX Alice Maud, father William John J, mother Matilda Marion at Yass reg 1966/42603
Ros
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Death notice for Alice Maud COX and also a funeral notice
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article106934919
Ros
No mention of Robert ... sorry back to the search for Robert
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Scotlandspeople:
Robert Henry Sobey, died age 67 in 1967 in Aberdeen Eastern District
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From NSW BDM
1966 COX Alice Maud, father William John J, mother Matilda Marion at Yass reg 1966/42603
Ros what would this be in reference too?
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thanks jm very enlightening sorry I would have been writting it at the time as it takes me ages as I was looking at the info on ancestry for Alice :D ::)
so what about the Robert sobey on the passenger list mentioned earlier
Would the names have been in order of adults first children last? As Robert was last on the list
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There is a Robert SOBEY arriving in Australia in 1952 accompanied by other SOBEY's on the Strathaird. There are no ages given. They are headed for Port Lincoln in South Australia
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k0x/
Ros
is this a possibility still?
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Scotlandspeople:
Robert Henry Sobey, died age 67 in 1967 in Aberdeen Eastern District
Ill check into this also thanks
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Gwen,
There is only one record for a Robert Henry Sobey born between 1890 and 1910 in England and Wales.
There is no record of any Robert Sobey born between 1890 and 1910 in Scotland.
I think 'your' Robert Henry Sobey died in Aberdeen in 1967.
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Gwen,
There is only one record for a Robert Henry Sobey born between 1890 and 1910 in England and Wales.
There is no record of any Robert Sobey born between 1890 and 1910 in Scotland.
I think 'your' Robert Henry Sobey died in Aberdeen in 1967.
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i cant find this on ancestry where did you find it thanks
ive got the birth but not the death
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Gwen,
There is only one record for a Robert Henry Sobey born between 1890 and 1910 in England and Wales.
There is no record of any Robert Sobey born between 1890 and 1910 in Scotland.
I think 'your' Robert Henry Sobey died in Aberdeen in 1967.
i cant find this on ancestry where did you find it thanks
ive got the birth but not the death
chempat is off line at present - it can be found on Scotland People https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
you have to register then can do a free search death certificate can then be ordered from there
the cost is £12.00
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ok thankyou for that
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thanks for all your help does anyone know if you can find out the maiden name of the mother on a Scottish birth certificate without buying it.
thanks again
gwen
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From NSW BDM
1966 COX Alice Maud, father William John J, mother Matilda Marion at Yass reg 1966/42603
Ros what would this be in reference too?
Sorry Gwen - I should have said it is a death on NSW BDM
https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/ in 1966 which I presume is for his sister. The parents' names seem to match.
The death notice which followed names her children and grandchildren but not her brother.
Lovely that Robert seems to be found now in Scotland :)
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From NSW BDM
1966 COX Alice Maud, father William John J, mother Matilda Marion at Yass reg 1966/42603
Ros what would this be in reference too?
Sorry Gwen - I should have said it is a death on NSW BDM
https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/ in 1966 which I presume is for his sister. The parents' names seem to match.
The death notice which followed names her children and grandchildren but not her brother.
Lovely that Robert seems to be found now in Scotland :)
yes it does seem a match name and yes Robert does seem to be in aberdeen Scotland and a baby born with the same name as his mother also in aberdeen a year after a marriage in northumberland seems probable. Its as close as we will get unless i ever find a new relative that can can confirm anything.
thanks again for all your help.
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Have you checked what information is on a Scottish death certificate, as buying the certificate will be fairly conclusive, surely?
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Have you checked what information is on a Scottish death certificate, as buying the certificate will be fairly conclusive, surel
Yes it was the birth and death of a possible daughter with the same name as his mother I was interested in If her mothers maiden name was the same that would have connected the marriage of Robert and jessie in Northumberland, Also I could have checked for other children As there is a death of a jessie ann Sobey also in Aberdeen it seems probable. We will buy the death cert for Robert
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After successfully finding Robert I wonder if anyone can help trace his brother Thomas Henry sobey born either 1883 or 1895 in Ireland Inishowen, Donegal, Ireland.
It seemed he was in the navy as an apprentice until 1914
Thos Henry Sobey
Age 16
Birth Year abt 1893
Registration or Indenture Date 23 Aug 1909
Port of Registry Brixham
I cant find any war record of him so far.
he seemed to be on a vessel called the sweethome in 1911 census
Apparently after WW1 he left to go to Australia but was never heard from again.
thanks
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I can't see any mention of him in Australia, Gwen.
There is a death of a Thomas H SOBEY in 1957 aged 65 in Northumberland, UK on https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ There are no other details given so it is difficult to tell if it is him.
Hopefully some UK experts will be along soon to tell us more. :)
Ros
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Hi Ros,
That death was probably this birth:
Births June quarter 1891
Thomas Henry Sobey Tynemouth 10b 279
Showing on 1939 with an Edith A Sobey born 1895.
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Thanks chempat :)
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According to the census he was born in ireland as was his sister florence. No idea why except maybe work as they went back to pembrokshire however I havent checked birth records in ireland yet to make sure just took it for granted
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According to the census he was born in ireland as was his sister florence.
No idea why except maybe work as they went back to pembrokshire however I havent checked birth records in ireland yet to make sure just took it for granted
This might be Florence's birth entry
Florence May Sobey
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1892
Registration district: Cork
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 5
Page: 178
FHL Film Number: 101064
not sure about this one for Thomas
Thomas Henry Sobey
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1895
Registration district: Inishowen
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 2
Page: 101
FHL Film Number: 101065
For info. - you may already have seen this
William John Sobey born 4 Dec 1889 Devonport, Devon
First Service Date: 12 Feb 1907
First Ship Served On: Ganges II
Last Service Date: 31 May 1916
Last Ship Served On: Indefatigable
Service Number: 238301
William John Sobey
Death Date: 31 May 1916
Cemetery: Plymouth Naval Memorial
Burial Country: England
Regiment: Royal Navy
Regimental Number: 238301
Ship Name: Indefatigable
Region or Memorial: Memorial Register
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k2j/
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Yes that looks like them thanks, I knew about William. I thought thomas would have made himself older for the navy as Robert did the same.
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Hi Ros,
That death was probably this birth:
Births June quarter 1891
Thomas Henry Sobey Tynemouth 10b 279
Showing on 1939 with an Edith A Sobey born 1895.
his brother robert got married in Northumberland so there could be a connection but like you say could equally be this thomas.
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I can't see any mention of him in Australia, Gwen.
There is a death of a Thomas H SOBEY in 1957 aged 65 in Northumberland, UK on https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ There are no other details given so it is difficult to tell if it is him.
Hopefully some UK experts will be along soon to tell us more. :)
That death was probably this birth:
Births June quarter 1891
Thomas Henry Sobey Tynemouth 10b 279
Showing on 1939 with an Edith A Sobey born 1895.
For info.
The 1891 birth entry from GRO indexes gives the above Thomas Henry Sobey'
mother's maiden name SIMPSON
he seemed to be on a vessel called the sweethome in 1911 census
Apparently after WW1 he left to go to Australia but was never heard from again.
Thomas' pob is given as Donegal - it's possible that this is his birth entry
Thomas Henry Sobey
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1895
Registration district: Inishowen
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 2
Page: 101
FHL Film Number: 101065
Inishowen is a peninsula in County Donegal, Republic of Ireland
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I can't see any mention of him in Australia, Gwen.
There is a death of a Thomas H SOBEY in 1957 aged 65 in Northumberland, UK on https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ There are no other details given so it is difficult to tell if it is him.
does the 1939 census of this thomas henry give d.o.b or place of birth at all?
Hopefully some UK experts will be along soon to tell us more. :)
That death was probably this birth:
Births June quarter 1891
Thomas Henry Sobey Tynemouth 10b 279
Showing on 1939 with an Edith A Sobey born 1895.
For info.
The 1891 birth entry from GRO indexes gives the above Thomas Henry Sobey'
mother's maiden name SIMPSON
he seemed to be on a vessel called the sweethome in 1911 census
Apparently after WW1 he left to go to Australia but was never heard from again.
Thomas' pob is given as Donegal - it's possible that this is his birth entry
Thomas Henry Sobey
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1895
Registration district: Inishowen
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 2
Page: 101
FHL Film Number: 101065
Inishowen is a peninsula in County Donegal, Republic of Ireland
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Does the 1939 census of this thomas h give a d.o, b or where ?
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Does the 1939 census of this thomas h give a d.o, b or where ?
1939 Register doesn't give pob only dob
We can't do look ups for 1939 Register but you can search for free and this
Sobey family living in Ashington U.D., Northumberland
Thomas H Sobey 1891
Edith A Sobey 1895
Thomas H Sobey 1918
I don't know if following will help - you'd probably need to order m/c to check father's name
Marriage
Sep 1915 Morpeth 10b 970
Sobey Thomas H
Glasper Edith A
Birth (although middle initial given as E :-\)
Thomas E Sobey mmn Glasper
Mar 1918 Morpeth Cumberland
Volume Number: 10b Page Number: 784
FreeBMD shows two female births mmn Glasper 1919 & 1927
death
Thomas Henry Sobey born 16 Mar 1918 died age 53
Mar 1971 Tynemouth Northumberland
Volume: 1b Page: 1418
Thomas H Sobey died age 65
Jun 1957 Northumberland Central
Volume: 1b Page: 250
Thomas Henry Sobey of 12 Fenton Terrace Ashington died 10 Apr 1957 Northumberland
Administration (with Will) 7 May 1957 to widow Edith Annie Sobey.
Edith A Sobey died age 70
Dec 1964 Northumberland Central
Volume: 1b Page: 273
Edith Annie Sobey of 12 Felton Terrace Ashington died 13 Oct 1964 Northumberland
Probate 12 Feb 1965 to J Glasper saddler
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Great thanks
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Hi my grandfather was Harry Sobey born 1902 in Haverford west. His mother was matilda marion sobey formerly webber father was william john joseph. Harry married Beatrice louisa sobey(formerly Henley) & was also born 1902 they had 4 girls my mother Barbara, Doris(eldest) Thelma & Margaret(died age 4) Beatrice & her daughters went to the workhouse and harry was only in touch again when he attended margarets funeral. They never saw him again. When my mother was old enough she had heard he had moved to london & went to see him her visit wasnt a happy one he was living with a woman at the time. She never saw him again after that. He died 11th June 1981 in Redbridge london. I hope this helps in some way. So your Robert Sobey was my grandfathers brother
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Thankyou I’ve sent a pm to you
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Hi, My grandmother was Alice Maud Sobey born in Pembrokeshire & was married to Frank Cox, they had 3 children between them but there was 2 half brothers born out of wedlock, father unknown. Ronald J Sobey & Norman Sobey being the eldest 2 & George Alvin Cox, Frank cox jnr & leslie malcolm cox, leslie was my father. Robert Henry & Harry Sobey were her siblings, so i guess we are related ! Any info would be greatly received, many thanks
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yes it does seem a match name and yes Robert does seem to be in aberdeen Scotland and a baby born with the same name as his mother also in aberdeen a year after a marriage in northumberland seems probable. Its as close as we will get unless i ever find a new relative that can can confirm anything.
thanks again for all your help.
Aberdeen Evening Express, Fri 21 Jan 1977
DEATHS
"Sobey - Suddenly at 44 Marischal Street, Aberdeen, on Wednesday January 19, 1977, Jessie Ann Bruce, age 65 years, beloved wife of the late Robert Henry Sobey (Taffy), ...."
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Hi do you have the full newspaper entry
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Hi do you have the full newspaper entry
It continues "Service at Aberdeen Crematorium, Hazlehead (East Chapel), on Monday, January 24, at 1pm to which all friends are respectfully invited. No flowers please. Resting at Gordon and Watson's Rest Rooms, Rosebank Place. R.I.P."
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Hi Thankyou Hanes Teulu for the piece on my grandfather Robert Sobey. I was hoping to find marion , Roberts daughter but have since found out that my grandfather , jessie his wife and daughter have all passed away. My mother Doris Sobey is still alive at the grand old age of 97
and she has no pictures of her father Robert Sobey and we are yet to find out if Marion had maybe married and had children of her own. We would have dearly loved to have seen a picture of him in his youth and in his latter years. Thankyou Yvonne Laking
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Thankyou for that
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Hi I’m new here. My grandfather was Robert Sobey and he and his wife Jesse Ann had a daughter who was my mum. She did not have any brother or sister. I am her daughter. This is all so amazing to see! I know very little about my family.
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Hi
So sorry I havant been on this site for so.long
Was elated to see your message
I am.yvonne I live in Lincolnshure and my grandfather was Robert too ( my.mum was Doris Sobey who died two years ago aged 97 )
Would live you to message me please
Many thanks Yvonne
8/9/23
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Hi I’m new here. My grandfather was Robert Sobey and he and his wife Jesse Ann had a daughter who was my mum. She did not have any brother or sister. I am her daughter. This is all so amazing to see! I know very little about my family.
Hi have just seen this post would love to hear from you if you can message me regarding Robert Henry Sobey and Jesse Ann
thanks
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Hi just posting that I am.still online
Hoping yourself or someone who knows you reads my.post
Would love to have a chat with you regards to our grandfather
Thankyou Yvonne
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Hi its Yvonne
I hope you get this message
I am so sorry I went off line as I never thought I would get a reply
Was so shocked and delighted to see a message come through
If you get this message please contact me
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Robert henry Sobey
Would love to speak to Holly1898
So sorry I missed your post x
6/10/23