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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: jamesjg on Friday 28 April 17 16:29 BST (UK)
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I am trying to trace the death of my 2xg grandfather Thomas Gilda who was born about 1843 in Ballyshannon, Ireland. He married Margaret Martin in Cathcart in 1867 and is shown as living there on the 1871, 1881 and 1891 Censuses of Scotland. He is on the 1901 Scotland Census living with his wife Sarah at 134 Naburn Street, Glasgow. I can find no trace of him or his wife on the 1911 Censuses. Given his age in 1901 (58) it is possible that he died between 1901 and 1911, but there is no record of the death on the Scotlands People web site. Could he have died without the death being registered? Is there anywhere that has a record of burials in the Glasgow area?
Grateful for any thoughts.
Jim Gilda
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Have you checked the marriage for Thomas Gilda to Sarah
The only ones I can see on Scotland's People for a Thomas Gilda 1912 Calton Glasgow Sarah Keith or Miskimmin ?
This one probably his son's marriage
Rosie
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Hi!
The marriage to Sarah Keith (previously married to John Miskimmin) is that of his son also named Thomas. Thomas was shown as deceased on the marriage certificate. I realise that this might have been incorrectly recorded but have been unable to prove it! I have a second marriage for Thomas (senior) to Elizabeth Brown in 1884. But I can't prove whether she is the same person as a "Sarah Gilda" as shown on the 1901 Census.
Thomas' family were previously shown as "Gildea" on some documentation and I have also looked for variants of this as options for death and census.
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1905 Valuation Roll
GILDA
THOMAS
Tenant Occupier
HOUSE NO 24 YOUNG STREET
GLASGOW
1905
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There was a 25 year old Thomas Gildea died in Dumbarton 1905.
Duh, too young for your Thomas, sorry.
I'm away to be trawling through the Family notices in the Glasgow Herald for 1905 & 1906. I'll keep a look out for the name while searching.
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Jim, first wife Margaret Martin died in 1883? Guess you have matched Thomas' parents from that 1867 marriage and then the one you mentioned in 1884 to Elizabeth Brown?
The 1891 census, does it show Thomas as married? A wife not showing in the household is there. Would the age of Elizabeth (and birth place?) match the details you have on the 1884 marriage?
The entry you mentioned from 1901:
Thomas Gilda 54 Block Printer
Sarah Gilda 50 dress maker b. dumfriesshire, Dumfries
As for his death ???
Monica :)
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Hi Monica not seeing a death for a Elizabeth Gilda either ???
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Monica
The 1891 Census shows Thomas as married and living with his children Mary, Agnes, James, Margaret and Thomas. However, his wife is not there! Elizabeth Brown's age at the marriage in 1884 was 48 and Thomas' age 57; but then Thomas' age on the 1901 Census is 54! It is possible that Thomas did marry for a third time but I haven't found a marriage to a "Sarah" only that of his son Thomas! The occupations on the Census of Calico Printer (1881), Paper Mill Worker (1891) and Block Printer (1901) also seem to match. Was Sarah on the 1901 Census really Elizabeth? I haven't found a death for Sarah Gilda either!
I think the 1906 Electoral Register is Thomas junior as he was also living in Young street on the 1911 Census.
Jim
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Could Thomas have died out of Scotland? Ireland entry here https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FTF4-Z4F
Monica
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Could Thomas have died out of Scotland? Ireland entry here https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FTF4-Z4F
Monica
That chap was a farmer and his wife, Bridget, was present at death.
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Thanks, Scotmum :) That takes that one off the ever small list!
Monica
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Could Thomas have died out of Scotland? Ireland entry here https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FTF4-Z4F
That Thomas was a farmer and his widow was Bridget.
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Thanks so far!
It is always possible that he died outside Scotland but the death of Thomas Gildea looks to be incorrect as, has previously been advised, he was a farmer with his wife Bridget in attendance! It is strange that there is no trace of Thomas or Elizabeth (unless she re-married) or Sarah (if Elizabeth died and Thomas re-married). I wonder if the deaths were un-recorded? How common is that?
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I didn't come across the name in the birth, marriage & death announcements in the Glasgow Herald 1904 to 1906. I had already done 1907 to 1914 before I saw your post. I was searching for the Gilmour name, so it didn't put me out at all looking for the Gildea name.
If, like me you are desperate to find someone, the Glasgow Herald archive can be found here https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=GGgVawPscysC
It's on line until 1900 with the British Newspaper Archive & FindMyPast.
The Google archive is incomplete, issues missing or so badly scanned they are illegible, but it is free and their archive goes up to 1990.
I believe there are new parish records going on line at Scotlandspeople in a few weeks time. You might have some luck with this new archive.
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Thanks for this; looks like I'll have to spend some time going through the announcements! At least I have somewhere to start so many thanks for your assistance. What confuses me is the lack of a record on the Scotland's People web site; unless it has been indexed incorrectly.
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McSkimming.
Skoosh.
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Skoosh
Thanks!
Jim
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Came across this from 1915 in the Glasgow Herald. Any connection to you?
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Thanks for this. I haven't yet come across Edith or her first husband, but will file it for future use as you never know!
Regards,
Jim