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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Renfrewshire => Topic started by: reidfd on Wednesday 26 April 17 11:57 BST (UK)
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George Cowden born about 1821 • Renfrew, Strathclyde, Scotland married Agnes Hamilton 9 February 1849 St George's Paisley, Renfrew. Agnes' parent were John Hamilton & Agnes Caulderwood. However, Agnes' death record (attached) names her father as "Unknown Patterson" and the name has come up elsewhere. There is little doubt that the marriage record concerns the correct people, because their first born was named Agnes Caulderwood Cowden. The problem is, where did the name Patterson come from? Could Agnes Hamilton have been born Patterson and changed her name before marrying George Cowden? (e.g. 1841 census includes an Agnes Patterson, 15 years, born Renfrewshire as an inmate!)
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Bit of a tricky one, and I can't answer all the questions but here goes:
An Agnes Calderwood married John Paterson 10/2/1815 Neilston, Renfrewshire and 3 children born:
William bp.1816 East Kilbride, Lanarkshire (this was Agnes' home parish)
John bp.1817 ditto
Isabella bp.1819 Neilston, Renfrewshire.
1841 Census - Seedhill, Paisley Low, Renfrewshire
Agness Calderwood 46 Not born in county
William Paterson 25 Weaver ditto
John Paterson 23 Blacksmith ditto
Isabel Paterson 21 Cotton Throwster Born in County
Agness Hamilton 14 ditto
Jean Leitch 7 ditto
Margrat Craig 4 ditto
In 1851 Agness Calderwood 60 born East Kilbride, Lanarkshire is working as a housekeeper.
I should mention maybe that Scottish women often gave their maiden names on census, even though married.
She died as Agnes Paterson 70, widow of a farm servant, on 19/11/1860 at 11 King Street, Paisley, daughter of John Calderwood, Blacksmith (deceased) and Isabella nee Locke (deceased). Informant was her son William Paterson.
Question is: was Agness Hamilton bc.1827 actually Agnes' daughter or was she just raised by her and who were the other 2 children with Agness senior in 1841?
What doesn't help is that in Scotland illegitimate children can have the surname of their natural father even though parents never married. However, I cannot find an Agnes born in the timeframe whose mother was an Agnes Calderwood (or Paterson).
I did find an Agnes Hamilton bp.1827 (on familysearch) dau. of a James Hamilton and Mary Leitch which in view of a Jean Leitch bc.1834 with Agnes in 1841 makes one wonder if somehow these 2 girls are connected. However, this might just be a red herring as there were a few other Agnes Hamilton's bc.1827 in Paisley.
So, whether Agnes Hamilton was indeed the daughter of Agnes Paterson, nee Calderwood and a John Hamilton I have no idea. Certainly, Agnes Calderwood married John Paterson, had 3 children with him and sometime between 1819 and 1841 he died. She didn't remarry and although shown as Calderwood on 1841 and 1851 census (not an unusual occurrence in Scotland) she died as Agnes Paterson in 1860 at Paisley
Annette
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Annette
Thank you very much for your advice. I am wondering how to proceed and will advise if something comes to mind.
Regards
David
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Agnes Paterson might be my 4th great-grandfather's aunt. Agnes Paterson on my tree was born in Middle parish, Paisley, in 1827. Her parents are James Paterson and Agnes McEwan. Agnes had a brother Robert born in 1822, and another, James, in 1824 - both also Middle parish. Think I saw a death for an Agnes P. in Glasgow on 11th July 1874 which might be the same lady. Haven't looked at this death entry to see if it gives her Paterson parents.
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I am quite interested in your Cowden connection in Paisley.
I have William Cowden and Catherine Jack having 4 children born in Paisley in the late 1700's and one in Lochwinnoch in the 1770s.
They were my 4 x great grandparents , my 3 x great grandmother Margaret Cowden died in Drygate Glasgow in 1864. Her sister Mary Cowden died in Stock Street , Paisley in 1858 .
I would be extremely interested if you think we have a connection.
Baird
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Hi everybody, I am back researching family tree, this time is Cowden. George Cowden is my GG Grandfather on my grandmother Elizabeth Cowden's side. Elizabeth married Philip Coggan. My info is as follows. George Cowden (b 1820 )married Agnes Hamilton (b 1826) in 1849 Paisley. Agnes's parents are John Hamilton and Agnes Calderwood. George's death cert states parents not known. The children of the marriage states 1st marriage a child Jane. Is Paterson George's first marriage??? Info on the death cert was supplied by a son in law William Warner. We all know info on death certs is not always correct.
Sorry this is so long winded. The main reason I came back on is I cannot find the birth/bap info on George Cowden. On his death cert in 1909 it states he was 94, so he was born in either 1815, 1819 or 1820.???
Is anyone able to help?
Cheers Michelle Mead
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1851 census - shows George’s place of birth as Glasgow.
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a15572ef4040b9d6e6aaba3/george-cowden-1851-renfrewshire-paisley-1820-?locale=en
This looks to be George Cowden and 1st wife in 1841 census (Paisley)
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a15496df4040b9d6e5b66e4/george-cowden-1841-renfrewshire-paisley-1821-?locale=en
There is a marriage on 18 April 1841 in Paisley of a George COUDON to Mary MUNRO.
It might be worthwhile getting this record to see if there is any information to be gleaned from it.
Unfortunately there are no baptism records for children of the Coudon- Munro marriage, but we might assume that Jane/ Jean born abt 1844 was the only child.
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On the 1853 immigration record for George and family-
George is 31, weaver, born in Lanarkshire, parents George and Agnes (both dead ).
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Marriage Proclamation Paisley High Church 18 April 1841
George Cowden and Mary Munro both in this parish.
Marriage Cowden & Hamilton 5 Feb1849
George Cowden, weaver (son of George Cowden and Agnes Spiers) and Agnes Hamilton (daughter of John Hamilton and Agnes Calderwood) both residing in Silk Street in this parish, have been regularly proclaimed in order to marriage and no objection made. Booked 20th Proclaimed 21st January 1849. 3 days. Married 9th Feb by the Rev Alexander Rennes ..
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Hi Neale, thank you for your reply, I do have the above certs but cannot find his birth cert. When I did a Cowden surname search it shows there was a place called Cowden and Cowden's have lived in England and Ireland and Scotland. It would seem I need to spend a lot of time searching different counties. I have done searches on Familysearch and findmypast and free reg and scotlandpeople sites.
Cheers Michelle
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You will not find a birth certificate, as he was born a long time before civil registration.
The most you can hope to find is a baptism, but as you are aware there is none to be found. There are many reasons why this may be the case.
.Hi Neale, thank you for your reply, I do have the above certs but cannot find his birth cert.
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I am quite interested in your Cowden connection in Paisley.
I have William Cowden and Catherine Jack having 4 children born in Paisley in the late 1700's and one in Lochwinnoch in the 1770s.
They were my 4 x great grandparents , my 3 x great grandmother Margaret Cowden died in Drygate Glasgow in 1864. Her sister Mary Cowden died in Stock Street , Paisley in 1858 .
I would be extremely interested if you think we have a connection.
Baird
I've just noticed this.
William Cowden & Catherine Jack are my 5x Great Grandparents. They had a daughter Margaret Cowden who married a Robert Fraser
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According to the Glasgow Herald dated 16th Nov 1878, Hugh Mckay (spirit
dealer) was assaulted by his assistant in a public house in the High Street,
Glasgow on the 7th Nov. His assistant (a man named Reid) was charged with
assault but this was changed to murder following Hugh McKay's death.
I do not have information regarding the outcome of the trial yet but will
email you if something becomes available
Above received from * July 2007
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Baird,
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