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The British South Africa Medal Roll is a record of all men who fought in the early Rhodesian Campaigns of 1830, 1893, 1896 and 1897.
If you believe any of your ancentors were there, send me a note of the surname and initials, regimental number and name of regiment I'll see what we can find.
If you don't have the military information, I'll see what can be done with only the surname and initials.
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Hi Lister!!
I'm not sure if you can help me - but is this the same as what you're offering??
Where do I find QSA and KSA medal rolls?
Regards
Annie
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Hi Annie
Sorry, it does not include that South Africal War of 1901 and 1902.
The BSA Co. Medal Roll only covers activities by Colonial and other forces in Rhodesia during 1890, 1893, 1896 and 1897. The medals awarded are the Rhodesia Medal with various bars being "Rhodesia". Matabeleland" and "Mashonaland".
I do not at this time have a full list of which regiments were involved, but am in the process of putting one together and will post it when it is complete.
Regards ...... John
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Hi John!
See what I get for assuming ???
I just saw the words South Africa and assumed........!
Thanks for explaining!
Annie :D
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TILLING (TELLING) Edwin-Private Royal Marines Infantry- I think he was invalided and pensioned out about 1880.
He was definitely in South African Wars after India.
I certainly appreciate any information.
Gerald
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Hi Gerald
Nothing in the name of "Tilling" or "Telling".
You mention that he was discharged in about 1880. This is about the time when the Rhodesian wars first began, so in all likelihood he might have been in Africa earlier for some of the Zulu Wars.
You might also like to try "http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/RdLeaflet.asp?LeafletID=56&j=1" where it specifically covers the military records of those who served with the Royal Marines and or http://www.regiments.org/regiments/uk/specfor/RM.htm where you will be able to get a lot of information regarding the history of the Regiment
Regards ....... John
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Hi, John
Edwin Tilling served with the Royal Marines Light Infantry from some time prior to 1861 until 1881. I found him on the 1861and 1881 censuses in Weymouth on board the HMS Orion. He apparently served in India before South Africa. He is listed in the 1881 census in West Coker, SOM as labourer and pensioner.
His son and my wife's g.father Ralph served in the 2nd Boer War and I have a silver badge with the cap badge of the Army Service Corps mounted on a silver horse shoe marked "South Africa1902". Do you think this is official or a brooch for hiswife? He died at 92 and told great stories of his life but some of it mayhave got muddled. However we have his discharge papers from the 2ndBn. Welch Regiment and his indenture to theFishing Fleet on Vellum..
Any information for tracing these two old soldier would be gratefully appreciated by us.
Gerald
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John,
I believe my great-grandfather, William Spencer LEDGER ,was awarded the British South Africa Company Medal in 1896 (Rhodesia clasp?). He was with the Royal Artillery. Can you tell me what info is on the Rolls for him ?
Maybe I can use it to track down his unit history.
Regards,
Clive Ledger
Ottawa, Canada
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Could you check if an Edwin Chesters is there. He should be in the Liverpool (8th) regiment.
Thanks.
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I wonder if you could help either prove or disprove a family story that my Great Grandfather, William Marley Sprague ran away from home in the mid 1880's to join the army (Welsh Regiment I think) and later fought in the Boer Wars. He "disappeared" from records between 1881 and 1897 when he married.
Thanks a million - Susannah
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The British South Africa Medal Roll is a record of all men who fought in the early Rhodesian Campaigns of 1830, 1893, 1896 and 1897.
If you believe any of your ancentors were there, send me a note of the surname and initials, regimental number and name of regiment I'll see what we can find.
If you don't have the military information, I'll see what can be done with only the surname and initials.
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Do you have any information on Private Thomas Kane, B Company, Royal Dublin Fusilliers, No.19996?
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Hi Lister,
I have just joined Rootschat and I'm wondering if this offer is still going?
Regard
Lizzy
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Lizzy,
Welcome to Rootschat!
I can offer the same lookup if Lister's offer is no longer current.
Neil
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I never received a reply to my original I believe my great-grandfather, William Spencer LEDGER ,was awarded the British South Africa Company Medal in 1896 (Rhodesia clasp?). He was with the Royal Artillery. Can you tell me what info is on the Rolls for him ?
Maybe I can use it to track down his unit history.
Regards,
Clive Ledger
Ottawa, Canada
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I'll check the roll tonight Clive and get back to you :)
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Lizzy,
Welcome to Rootschat!
I can offer the same lookup if Lister's offer is no longer current.
Neil
That's very kind of you many thanks.
I'm interested in George Henry Sheath. He was in the Hampshire Regiment. I am not sure of his army number but could probably find it if needed. Is a name enough? He was born 25 April 1867 on the Isle of Wight.
Thanks for any help
Lizzy
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Clive,
William Spencer Ledger is confirmed on the BSAC medal roll.
Entry is:
40462 CSM Wm. Spencer Ledger, Royal Artillery. As you suspected, he received the medal for Rhodesia 1896 (not a clasp - this medal was re-issued for each campaign with the campaign name inscribed on the reverse. Clasps were only added for subsequent campaigns)
CSM is of course Company Sergeant-Major. No more details of his unit given unfortunately, but with him being a senior rank it might make it easier to trace him. And his service number will help of course.
;D
Neil
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Lizzy,
George Sheath is confirmed on the roll:
2167 Sergeant George Sheath, 2nd Battn Hampshire Regt (mounted infantry). He received the medal for Rhodesia 1896 and also the clasp for Mashonaland 1897 (see comment on my last post to Clive).
;D
Neil
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Lizzy,
George Sheath is confirmed on the roll:
2167 Sergeant George Sheath, 2nd Battn Hampshire Regt (mounted infantry). He received the medal for Rhodesia 1896 and also the clasp for Mashonaland 1897 (see comment on my last post to Clive).
;D
Neil
Hi Neil,
Many thanks for that. I thought grandfather had the Mashonaland medal but hadn't realized it was a bar to another.
I'm going to look into this more now and try and find what he got them for. A history lesson for me I think.
Thanks again
Lizzy
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Thanks Neil! ;D
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HI, I HOPE THIS IS STILL GOING.I DON'T KNOW IF HE WAS GIVEN ANY MEDALS BUT MY GRANDFATHER WAS THERE. HIS NAME WAS HARRY CLARKE,HE WAS IN THE ROYAL ENGINEERS NO 9718 THANKS.... RICOBA
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Harry Clarke's not listed in the BSAC medal roll I'm afraid, Ricoba.
If he was in South Africa a few years later, then he possibly served in the Boer War (1899-1902). Could that be what you're thinking of?
Neil
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THANKS NEIL,I HAVE HAD A GOOD LOOK NOW AND FOUND HE WENT TO SOUTH AFRICA IN DEC 04 AND ''HOME'' IN MARCH 09.THANKS ANYWAY ...RICOBA
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HI AGAIN NEIL,WHAT WOULD HE HAVE BEEN DOING IN S A FOR OVER 5 YEARS?I KNOW HE WAS PEACE KEEPING IN GERMANY IN THE EARLY 1920'S.I HAVE LOOKED UP A SITE FOR THE R E'S,BUT IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU YEAR BY YEAR & THE BATN'S.THIS MAY NOT BE YOUR FIELD,JUST THOUGHT I WOULD PICK YOUR BRAINS???REGARDS RICOBA
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To Neil 1821-I have in my possession a medal awarded to a Trooper RC Luxford NT as a member of the BSAC 1906 campaign.Could you give me any further information such as was he originally from the UK,did he die in actio etc?Any information would be gratefully appreciated.
Secondly having omly just come across this website is there anyone doing lookups for people who were in the 14th Hussars who fought in the Boer war?
Any help would be appreciated.
Regards Derek
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Derek,
I'm a bit confused by your 1906 reference. ???
The Natal rebellion 1906 was a different campaign altogether (I don't have the roll handy).
However, the roll of the BSAC medal confirms Tpr Reginald C. Luxford, Natal Troop is entitled to the 1896 medal for Rhodesia.
I don't have casualty details for locally raised troops I'm afraid.
So other than his first name, I may not have helped you much. :-\
I can do cavalry in the Boer War though :)
Neil
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Neil thank you for that information.Sorry writing at 11.30pm is not a good thing to do.
Just to clarify my questions Trooper Luxford fought in 1896 and not 1906 as you correctly pointed out.Can you tell me though how it came about that this Natal Troop came to be involved in this skirmish in Rhodesia in 1896?
My grandfather was William P Austin service number 3212 served in the 14th Hussars as a sergeant first then RSM.Apparently also served in the 2nd Scottish Horse I think during the Boer War.I have his medals KSA and QSA with the clasps for 1901 and 1902 as well as clasps for Transvaal,relief of Ladysmith,Orange Free State,Tugela Heights and Cape Colony plus a medal for Long Service and good conduct.Can you tell me when did my grandfather sail to South Africa ie which year and on which ship?
After the boer war my grandfather was discharged and he joined the Northern District Mounted Rifles and fought in the Bambatha Rebellion in 1906 and for this he received another medal.
Regards Derek
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Your grandfather is confirmed as a sergeant on the Boer War QSA roll, clasps as you've given. Not listed as a casualty of any description.
If he was issued the LSGC medal it must have been after 1901. I have the roll to that date and don't see his name. His likely enlistment was sometime c.1883-1887 with the LSGC issue therefore c.1901-1905 (minimum 18 years service for the LSGC)
I've managed to retrieve my copy of the 1906 medal roll and as you say, he's RSM in the Northern District Mounted Rifles. So by that stage he's left the Regular Army.
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My Grandfather, Francis Verrill Brown was awarded the Mashonaland medal and inscribed on its edge is -his name, then - UMTALI VO1 TRS. Can you please provide any information from this data ie his regiment, number war record. He was an engineer so he may have been in the Royal Engineers.
Regards
Terry Brown
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Terry,
The roll confirms Trooper F.V.Brown awarded the medal for Mashonaland 1897.
His unit was the Umtali Volunteer Corps (or simply Volunteers). As the name suggests these were one of several locally raised units that existed purely for the duration of a particular campaign before being disbanded.
Here's a general overview of local units:
http://rapidttp.com/milhist/vol011es.html
Since they're not regular troops, they don't have individual service numbers.
He could have been in the Royal Engineers at another time perhaps? What else do yoy know about his military service? Was he in the Boer War for example?
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Hi
My grt grandfathers brother was in the british army and I'm told served some time with the South Africa Corps.....he must have been in the army anytime from 1881-1900....
his name was James Shard this has also been spelt as Sheard..Sherd..Cherd..Chard..Shand. and so on....
Any help much appreciated
Thanks for your time
cissy
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Cissy,
Does he have a middle name at all?
It's all pretty vague information so far, so any little thing that may help is welcome :)
Edit:
OK, well the only possible match I can see in all the variant spellings is 4091 Lance Corporal J.L.Sheard, 7th Hussars (Rhodesia 1896 & Mashonaland 1897)
Does that tie in with what you know?
:)
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Hi Neil
No middle name as far as I know...none on his birth or death cert, but that doesn't mean anything...as I got a birth & marriage cert for another member of this family...no middle name on birth cert but a middle name on marrige....
All this family used the same names and I can't think of one begining with L that springs to mind.....but he may have added one himself...
I think he was out of the country for times between 1891 and 1901 as he was on none of these census's even with mis spell of his surname ...and in 1901 he was married but his wife and son were alone and she was down as married...he died in 1908 in Lancashire...
Many Thanks for your time
cissy
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Well on further digging the J.L.Sheard I mentioned before was John and he was still serving in WW1. So no good.
Of course, the man you're looking for may not have been in any campaigns, just on garrison duty in South Africa.
Have you found a marriage record? Also where/when was his son born?
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Hi Neil
James was born in 1865 in Lancashire and his son was born in 1895/6 Widnes......
james disappeared off the census after 1881.......married in Widnes in 1894/5...his son was born the next year then he re-appeared on the death register in 1908
Thanks again for your time....
This family have been a nightmare to trace....this was a long shot....
cissy
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Terry,
The roll confirms Trooper F.V.Brown awarded the medal for Mashonaland 1897.
His unit was the Umtali Volunteer Corps (or simply Volunteers). As the name suggests these were one of several locally raised units that existed purely for the duration of a particular campaign before being disbanded.
Here's a general overview of local units:
http://rapidttp.com/milhist/vol011es.html
Since they're not regular troops, they don't have individual service numbers.
He could have been in the Royal Engineers at another time perhaps? What else do yoy know about his military service? Was he in the Boer War for example?
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Dear Neil,
Thank you for your prompt reply and information about F V Brown. I don't know if he fought in the Boer War. Do you know how I could find out?
Regards and all the best for Christmas
Terry :)
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Bit of a long shot - Arthur Moss Foster (born 1866) according to family legend fought in the Matabele Wars before heading for the Gold Rush in Alaska. I know nothing more other than he was born in Selby.
Anything you can find, I'm not holding my breath, would be great.
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Anything you can find, I'm not holding my breath, would be great.
Never know your luck till you look!!
Medal roll confirms A. Moss Foster, Corporal, Gwelo Volunteers for 1896 Rhodesia operations.
http://rapidttp.com/milhist/vol011es.html
One and same as Gwelo Field Force as listed here I guess
No further info on the roll. As he's in a local unit rather than British Army I don't know how you'd trace him further. South African military archives perhaps?
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Thank you very much. Now I need to find his grave in the Klondike!
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Born 20 March 1877 (Mere, Wilts) & joined East Yorkshire Regiment in London on 6 July 1897 (Private, number 5532). Spent over 7 years in South Africa & India and is believed to have received the Kimberley Star. Transferred to Army Reserve on 8 November 1904 and discharged on 5 July 1909.
Rejoined Army Reserve (Wiltshire Regt) on 16 March 1912 (Lance Corporal, number 9723). Seriously wounded twice in WW1 and POW for 7 months. Finally discharged 31 March 1920 and in WW2 he served with LDV/Home Guard.
Any idea if this fellow got anything other than a Kimberley Star?
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Any idea if this fellow got anything other than a Kimberley Star?
What chap? A name would help ;D ;D
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Hello, Lister of Dodworth (if you are still there!)
If you have access to the BSAC Roll, please could you tell me if mention is made of:
TROOPER J.A.G. WATSON Salisbury Volunteers.
Thank you. David Ferguson
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George Henry Sullivan, thanks.
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Dear Neil,
are you able to look up Pte W Chilvers, 7th Hussars should have been in Rhodesia 1896
and let me know what other details are given on the roll.
many thanks Colin Chilvers
Australia
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Hi Colin,
Is the picture actually his medal?
I ask because according to my roll he's also entitled to the Mashonaland 1897 clasp
3831 Pte W.Chilvers, 7th Hussars
Rhodesia 1896 medal + 1897 clasp
Note: transferred to 9th Lancers
That's all I have.
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thanks for your prompt reply Neil,
yes it is actual medal, I've started to see if I can source the correct clasp to add to the medal, will also
chase up 9th lancers to see if any more info on W Chilvers
I also have an identical medal named to Troopr. A. Gray M.R.F.
not a relative but if you able to provide his medal roll details I'd appreciate it.
Colin
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sorry all, put this on wrong end, will rectify now
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neil,
I would like to take you up on that offer of lookup.
My grandfather was, I am told, in the Army 22 years. His name was hugh hepburn,serving around boar war years. The regiment, we think, although can't be certain, was 51st Highland infantry could have been(light).He was his regiments pipe major.He had a chest full of medals, but I only saw one photo of him,in civies, in a pipeband in Aberdeen. Hope you can find him,it would be very much appreciated.
kind regards,
Nora.
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Hi JHLister
Thanks for your kind offer. I am looking for a Warton possibly being on the roll. Thanks, David
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Hi JH... my father recently dug out some medals he had been sent by a relative years ago. Apart from the 1882 Egypt Medal and associated Khedive Star, there is the South Africa Medal (undated but with the crossed shields and assegais indicating the 1877-1879 campaign). The edge detail is a bit difficult to read, but seems to be for C/3417, Lance Cpl F. Howard. We think this is Frank Joseph Howard, who represents a bit of a dead end in our genealogical search down that branch of my father's family. If you could find anything that would be really wonderful. Thanks!
John
The British South Africa Medal Roll is a record of all men who fought in the early Rhodesian Campaigns of 1830, 1893, 1896 and 1897.
If you believe any of your ancentors were there, send me a note of the surname and initials, regimental number and name of regiment I'll see what we can find.
If you don't have the military information, I'll see what can be done with only the surname and initials.
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Hi,
If possible is a George Ernest Anstis listed?
Born Plymouth, England in 1898.
Thanks,
Steve
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Hi J
I was told by a relative that my Great Gradfather fought in the Boer War, all I have is his name Robert James Parsons. would appreciate it if you could do a search for me
Regards Sue
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To the last few posters on this thread:
To be honest I'd advise you to start your own threads on the forum rather than posting under this one.
- firstly more people will see your query
- secondly, the British South Africa Company Medal was for specific minor campaigns in Mashonaland, Rhodesia and Matabeleland between 1890 and 1897. It doesn't apply to the Boer War or Zulu War.
Cheers ;)
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Searching for an Arthur Ernest CLIFTON. Sorry, I do not have a regiment #.
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I am looking for 5152 John Kiely royal irish regiment .
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Hello, I have my great-grandfather's British South Africa Medal, and wondered if there is any more information about him on the roll. It is the Rhodesia 1896 one - with no clasp, just the ribbon - and the engraving on the edge is Trooper J A E Roberts S F F. I presume this means Salisbury Field Force, but can anyone tell me what they did? I have only found information on the Bulawayo Field Force, so I presume this means he was a farmer or settler and not part of the police force. I have records of him settling in Pietermaritzburg both before and after this time, so I'm not quite sure how he came to be in Rhodesia. Was there some kind of army conscription, or would this have been volunteer settlers? With no clasp attached, I also assume he was only active in the one campaign. If anyone has any information, I would be very grateful. Thanks.
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Hello,
I was wondering if you could look up
"Abraham Suggitt" please
he joined the Army while in Hanwell in London, so am guessing he went as quite a young man, and chose to stay over there, many thanks
Clare
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Would you kindly check on the name Ernest Edward LAWLEY, please.
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Well i hope this is still going, i have a BSAC rhodesia 1896 to a
trooper F A McCleland Belingwe colume, but as of yet
have no info on him. Just like to know who he was and
what he did, just seems wrong not knowing any thing
about him. Any info will be great, thx.
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I would be most grateful for a lookup for my grandfather:-
Henry John Roberts.
He would have been very young and may have fibbed about his age.
Possibly the Middlesex or London regiments.
There was a family photo of him in uniform.
He was back in England 1901 census and no longer a soldier.
Died 1910 aged 25yrs T.B.
Many thanks,
Vicki
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Hi,
Is it to late to ask for a lookup please, I am looking for Abraham Suggett/Suggitt, he went to South Africa from London, he was in the Boer War, and he remained in South Africa, many thanks
Jenny
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Hi. I have only just come across your post regarding look-ups in respect to the SA Medal (1879). Can you see what information you have on PTE 3519 Arthur Hedger.
I have his military records from the National Archives and they state that he received the SA Medal 1879 with clasp.
Many thank
Simon Hedger
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Is it to late to ask for a lookup? I am looking for Bernard Salmon born 1872 served with Durham Light infantry in Boer War was also in South Africe prior to the Boer war, his attestation papers say he was in jured in South Africa.
thanks Sheila
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Hi Mr. JH Lister
I have just seen your posting on Rootschat that you are able to do lookups and am writing to you in the hope you can help me with a query.
My great great uncle was Robert Allingham, born in Co. Sligo in 1869. He joined the Royal Irish Rifles around the late 1880s. Robert Allingham eventually returned to Ireland and is shown on the 1911 census as living in Belfast. One of his sons, Edward Allingham was aged 13 in 1911 and is stated to have been born in Natal, South Africa, which would have been around 1898. I was wondering if there may be any record of a Robert Allingham in the British South Africa Medal Roll as the family must obviously have been in South Africa around 1897/98.
Any information you can find would be very gratefully received.
Regards
Carol
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I am trying to find any information about Trooper John Mark Werrett, who apparently was a member of the British South Africa Company Police and gained a medal and a clasp in 1890 and 1896. He subsequently settled in Souhern Rhodesia.
If you are still active, I would be very grateful if you could provide any assistance.
Many thanks
David
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Hello
Not sure if this is the right place to ask but I understand my grandfather in law Charles Hull served in the Royal Berkshires during the Boer War(s) and actually married in Grahams Town in 1899 where we belive he was a Serjeant. After being demobbed it seems he later rejoined the Royal Warwickshires for WW1 and died of sunstroke whilst on garrison duties in Khartoum. Might it be possible to trace anything about him please as we have nothing apart from a small photo.
Thanks
JaneM46
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Do you have an Augustus William Black-Barnes and his brother Arthur Bertie Black-Barnes on the list.? They were in the Salisbury Horse regiment, and fought at Bembesi in 1893.
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Hi,
Oh I do hope you still offer this service! :-\ I am looking for details for William Barras Baker. I believe he received the following: He served with the BSAP in the Cape Police and was awarded the following medals: 1877-78 - "Gaika -Gcaleka" and The BSA Company medal for Matabeleland 1893. The reason for the Matabeleland medal remains a mystery. I would dearly love to know if he served in the Military and if so in which regiment? Any information you have which may lead to finding out where and when he was born and who his parents were, would be immensely helpful. In fact anything at all would be wonderful!
Looking forward to hearing from you. Many thanks in advance :)
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The British South Africa Medal Roll is a record of all men who fought in the early Rhodesian Campaigns of 1830, 1893, 1896 and 1897.
If you believe any of your ancentors were there, send me a note of the surname and initials, regimental number and name of regiment I'll see what we can find.
If you don't have the military information, I'll see what can be done with only the surname and initials.
Hello,
I am looking for the service record of my Grandfather Arthur Frederick Foster. I have his details in WW1. He was part of the 24th Home Counties Bn. and served in India. He seems to have had two regimental numbers and I am wondering if he served in South Africa too.
Name: Arthur Frederick Foster
Birth: 28/11/1873 at Weybridge, Surrey.
Regiment: possibly East Surreys
Regimental Numbers: 99 [and on his SWB 206256]
Any help, suggestions would be much appreciated.
regards,
Mistyrose
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Hi Lister, (any relation ?)
My great grandfathers both served in the military. Their names were Edward Lister, born middlesex 1881/2, married and settled in Belfast. The other was Thomas Benson, born county Down I think around 1888. Any info you have on them would be wonderful.
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Hi lister, i have seen your thread on this website and wondered if you had the ability to look up a chap whose medal i have ?
He seemingly served in the 2nd west riding regiment for the British south africa company 1896 in rhodesia his medal reads :- 3790 Pte ernest parker 2 W Rid Regt. and has no bar but has rhodesia 1896 on the back of it.
thanks in anticipation of any help offerred.
chris
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Would be wonderful if you could find out anything on Harry BAILEY (1878-1900). His regiment was the lst battalion Kings Royal Rifles and his number 9176. He died on 19 March 1900 after taking part in the battle of Ladysmith.
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Thanks for the offer. I wonder if you have any records for Spooners from Kildare, Ireland. The names I think might be there would be Robert, Thomas, or Joseph.
RoryT
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My Great Grandfather - Donald Alexander Clark went up to Zimbabwe (Rhodesia) in 1890 with the British South Africa Police and we believe and that his service number might have been 157 according to Col AS Hickman. This we are not sure about.
Subsequently, we have discovered that he was definitely mentioned as having been with the Gwelo Volunteers (Troop Sergent Major) and got the above medal in 1896 (page 83 of B 4/3/3)according to research done by my late father in Harare in 1963, as the recipient's contact details match up with his father in Mintlaw, Scotland.
Could you please let me know if he got any clasps added to the medal at all.
He then left with the Protectorate Regiment for the Relief of the Siege of Mafeking.
Many thanks
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Hi Lister
My Great Grandfather - Donald Alexander Clark went up to Zimbabwe (Rhodesia) in 1890 with the British South Africa Police and we believe and that his service number might have been 157 according to Col AS Hickman. This we are not sure about.
Subsequently, we have discovered that he was definitely mentioned as having been with the Gwelo Volunteers (Troop Sergent Major) and got the above medal in 1896 (page 83 of B 4/3/3)according to research done by my late father in Harare in 1963, as the recipient's contact details match up with his father in Mintlaw, Scotland.
Could you please let me know if he got any clasps added to the medal at all.
He then left with the Protectorate Regiment for the Relief of the Siege of Mafeking.
Many thanks
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Can you please look up any details about my great uncle on the Medal roll?- Henry Lawrence Bernstein. He may well be listed as "Harry" rather than "Henry", because he is listed on the list of witnesses for the Jameson trial as "Harry L. Bernstein" (born Melbourne 1872) and also on the website - http://www.dnw.co.uk/medals/auctionarchive/searchcataloguearchive/itemdetail.lasso?itemid=68820 - his 2 medals (Maxim Company and British South Africa Company) sold at auction last June (09) for 3,500 pounds. We (the family) lost contact with him, and I want to find out what subsequently happened (have info for 1936) and when/where in UK he died. Made difficult by fact he assumed new name of "Henry Lawrence" around WW1 and then took on various names.aliases as well.
But if you have any info you can glean from the BSACo. Medal roll, that would be a great help.
Thanks and regards
Peter Benson
PS - Since I last posted this enquiry to you, some further info has been revealed on the above-mentioned auction webpage, but if you have any further info that would be helpful.
Regards,
Peter
PS _ I have modified this message 7 hours after posting (made a mistake) - PLEASE read again (initially gave wrong surname to look up - should be "Bernstein")
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The British South Africa Medal Roll is a record of all men who fought in the early Rhodesian Campaigns of 1830, 1893, 1896 and 1897.
If you believe any of your ancentors were there, send me a note of the surname and initials, regimental number and name of regiment I'll see what we can find.
If you don't have the military information, I'll see what can be done with only the surname and initials.
I have a BSA Co. medal 1896 Rhodesia awarded to Tpr. JOHN AUSTEN B.F.F. I bought the medal in Zimbabwe about 6 years ago and would be interested to know if you have any information on the recipricant.I have found a John Austen
that become the first mayor of Que Que,could this be the same person?
Regards Geoff.
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Dear Sir/Madam,
I ask for your assistance, please, in checking the roll of the British South Africa Company Medal. I am the Granddaughter of Percy Ernest SHINN (1874-1965). In his memoires my Grandfather relates being in Umtali at the time the 1896 Rebellion broke out. When one old 9lb muzzle loading artillery piece was located in the town, a somewhat motley gun crew was recruited from amongst the limited manpower available. Based on his previous service as a gunner with the 3rd (Middlesex) Field Artillery Volunteers in England he was appointed "Sergeant Instructor" and required to train a competent gun crew. This grouping presumably became the Umtali Artillery although he refers to his unit as part of the Umtali Volunteers. After a few minor actions (during the last of which the gun was broken) he transferred to Transport and Supplies. Whether this was a military unit is not known but it was commanded by an army officer, one Colonel Beal.
The question then is: Was Percy Shinn awarded the British South Africa Company Medal? Bars?
Thank you,
Alison McKenna (nee Shinn)
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Hi all, info needed on my great grandfather Edward Lister b. 1881 in either France or Middlesex (?). He joined up very young, at 14, and was listed as a musician/bandsman. Any info greatly appreciated, thanks.
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As the chap who started this thread has not been on RC since 2005, I will lock to avoid any more disappointments.
If he would like it reopened, this I will duly do, if he contacts me.
Sorry everyone...
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I'm looking for info on 4 brothers called Irwin, probably from Carlow Ireland who fought during the 'boer war' for the 'Irish Guards', some of whom were apparently killed. I have no other information about them, but it is the only link to my grandmothers family. can you help at all?
thanks
amarb
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I'm looking for info on 4 brothers called Irwin, probably from Carlow Ireland who fought during the 'boer war' for the 'Irish Guards', some of whom were apparently killed. I have no other information about them, but it is the only link to my grandmothers family. can you help at all?
thanks
amarb
Firstly, could I suggest you start your own topic about this rather than tacking it on here. The BSAC medal that this thread refers to is in fact nothing to do with the Boer War, and people won't tend to see your question when they browse the board.
You can count out the Irish Guards. They were only formed in 1900, and very few men enlisted into the new regiment were in time to see active service in the war. There are no Irwins. Some others I'll check for you.....
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thanks for your reply.
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The next obvious thought was the cavalry, as there are several "Guards" cavalry regiments, Life Guards, Royal Horse Guards, Dragoon Guards etc
Only 2 Irwins in the cavalry though: 2nd Lieut Thomas Irwin, 1st Dragoons & Pte W.Irwin, 3rd Dragoon Guards. On the whole not promising for you.
The Imperial Yeomanry look a bit more promising.
31970 Pte J.A.Irwin
33251 Pte Robert Irwin
31975 Pte William Irwin
all 61st (2nd Dublin) Coy, 17th Btn I.Y
IY service records would hopefully confirm if they were brothers (or not).
3 Irwins and not 4, but the best I have. ::)
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Hi Neil
My previous request was to Lister who apparently disappeared in 2005.
Am I correct in that you are able to also look up the Medal Rolls for this medal?
If so, My Great Grandfather - Donald Alexander Clark went up to Zimbabwe (Rhodesia) in 1890 with the British South Africa Police and we believe and that his service number might have been 157 according to Col AS Hickman. This we are not sure about.
Subsequently, we have discovered that he was definitely mentioned as having been with the Gwelo Volunteers (Troop Sergent Major) and got the above medal in 1896 (page 83 of B 4/3/3)according to research done by my late father in Harare in 1963, as the recipient's contact details match up with his father in Mintlaw, Scotland.
I do know that the 1896 medal was issued in the late 1890's and the 1890 medal only came out decades later in the 1920's which does not help. Men entitled to the 1890 Medal were supposed to surrender their 1896 one, and in return an 1896 Clasp would be added to their 1890 Medal
Could you please let me know if he got any clasps added to the medal at all.
He then left with the Protectorate Regiment for the Relief of the Siege of Mafeking.
Many thanks
Gaz
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Gaz,
There is a D.Clark on the roll. Doesn't confirm precisely what you have, but might be the right man.
1890 medal + 1896 and 1897 clasps.
1890 BSA Police
1896 C-troop, Bulawayo Field Force
1897 TSM, Rhodesia Horse Volunteers
Then there's a Donald A. Clarke
1896 medal Sgt-Major, Gwelo Volunteers (not TSM)
From what you say, your research to date might have confused these two men and merged the information. ???
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Hi Neil
Thanks so much for your message and the information. "D" Clark's and not "DA" Clark's. DA Clarke's and not Clark's - proper confusion!!
I appreciate your help. I will pass on your findings to someone I know who lives in Harare and does research at the National Archives there, to see if clarification can be found on the above.
He used to be the Director of the Archives years ago, and I thank my lucky stars that I have located omeone who has the knowledge to still be able to access the valuable information housed there. Heavens knows what might happen it it is years to come taking the situation of the country. Such a shame.
regards
Gaz.
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Hi Neil could you check the following for me? To Neil 1821-I have in my possession a medal awarded to a Trooper RC Luxford NT as a member of the BSAC 1896 campaign.Could you give me any further information such as was he originally from the UK,did he die in action etc?Any information would be gratefully appreciated.
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Hi Neil could you check the following for me? To Neil 1821-I have in my possession a medal awarded to a Trooper RC Luxford NT as a member of the BSAC 1896 campaign.Could you give me any further information such as was he originally from the UK,did he die in action etc?Any information would be gratefully appreciated.
The only thing the roll can add is his first name:
Tpr Reginald C Luxford, Natal Troop
Not the most common name I imagine. A search of UK census may find possible candidates.
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Hi Neil,
Could you check out Benjamin Goater for me please? He was a professional soldier and served in the Army Medical corps. He was born in 1854 and a staff sergeant by 1881 and eventually became a quartermaster, retiring with the honorary rank of Major.
Regards,
Phil
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Neil thanks for that.I just did a quick search and found out that his full name was Reginald cottenham luxford and that he served in Steinaeckers horse from 6/4/1901 to 11/6/1901 when he died of disease at Fort Mpisane. His service number according to the nominal rolls WO127 was 1341.Will look to see if there is a monument erected for these troops.Do you think he may have come over from England before 1896 to fight in the 1st boer war?
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Do you think he may have come over from England before 1896 to fight in the 1st boer war?
1st Boer War was 16 years previous so it's a bit of a leap to make! Every chance he came over from England at some point I guess.
EDIT - There's a Reginald C Luxford on the 1881 England census, age 10, born Natal living with his grandfather in Sussex. Sounds about right! So no to the 1st Boer War in that case.
Search for the entry here if you want to see it:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Search/frameset_search.asp
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Hi Geoff.t
I have just joined this chat forum and seen your posting on BSA Co. medal issued to John Austen. Sorry for the delay in responding to it.
This is very interesting to me because John Austen was my Great Grandfather and for the last 30 years I have been researching the family history and his descendants. He was a pioneer in the then Rhodesia, now Zimbabwe. Settled in Que Que, now Kwe Kwe. Became the first Mayor of the town. Fought in the Matabele wars, of 1893 and 1896 so I am guessing the medal was awarded thought those events.
I would like to take up some communictions with you over it but don't know how to do that, other than postings here.
Thanks for your posting
Regards
RegP
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Am I too late to request a look up for Alexander Edward Macpherson and Balfour Robertson Mathieson please?
Thanks
geodale
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Am I too late to request a look up for Alexander Edward Macpherson and Balfour Robertson Mathieson please?
Thanks
geodale
Trooper A.E. MacPherson, Matabeleland Relief Force
Trooper R.B. Mathieson, Gwelo Field Force
both have the 1896 medal, Mathieson listed apparently as KIA (but no further details)
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Many thanks. I discovered RB Mathieson was killed at Bezwy Hills in 1897. I wonder who has his medal as was not married - he had a brother in Durban at the time who did not know he had a medal at all.
I appreciate your reply.
Geodale
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I am trying to trace the whereabouts of my relative Bertrand Evelyn Luffman who was born in India in 1877. I know that he took part in campaigns around 1900 in South Africa serving with the South African Light Horse, Jo'berg Mounted Rifles, Walden's? Scouts and Steinaeckers special squadron. He subsequently moved to Australia, volunteered for further service in WW1 and was killed at Gallipoli. But, what I would like to know is where was he prior to and immediately after his known service in South Africa? I have a gap for his first 23 years until he appears c1900. Did he have any service in Rhodesia in the late 1890s?
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Hi,
Could you have a look for a name for me, I am not expecting miracles as I think this one may be an impossible name!
Thomas Smith B 1875 in Wellingron Shropshire (d 1931) - He was in the Shropshire light infantry
I have a photo of him in Uniform aged around 20 ish
Thank you for looking :)
Gaille
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I am trying to trace the whereabouts of my relative Bertrand Evelyn Luffman who was born in India in 1877. I know that he took part in campaigns around 1900 in South Africa serving with the South African Light Horse, Jo'berg Mounted Rifles, Walden's? Scouts and Steinaeckers special squadron. He subsequently moved to Australia, volunteered for further service in WW1 and was killed at Gallipoli. But, what I would like to know is where was he prior to and immediately after his known service in South Africa? I have a gap for his first 23 years until he appears c1900. Did he have any service in Rhodesia in the late 1890s?
Sorry Redroger, no-one of that name on the BSAC roll so he wasn't in those particular campaigns at least.
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Hi,
Could you have a look for a name for me, I am not expecting miracles as I think this one may be an impossible name!
Thomas Smith B 1875 in Wellingron Shropshire (d 1931) - He was in the Shropshire light infantry
I have a photo of him in Uniform aged around 20 ish
Thank you for looking :)
Gaille
Shropshire LI were not involved and hence no-one from the regiment appears on the BSAC roll. Sorry
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Thanks for that Neil, Looks as though he left India for South Africa around 1900, can't find him on any of the passenger lists. Further ideas welcomed? Unlikely I am sure, but would overland travel from India to South Africa be possible at that time?
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Hi,
Could you have a look for a name for me, I am not expecting miracles as I think this one may be an impossible name!
Thomas Smith B 1875 in Wellingron Shropshire (d 1931) - He was in the Shropshire light infantry
I have a photo of him in Uniform aged around 20 ish
Thank you for looking :)
Gaille
Shropshire LI were not involved and hence no-one from the regiment appears on the BSAC roll. Sorry
Thank you, hes proving impossible to get back past WW1.
Gaille
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Please is there any information for Private 4612 George Carter who served with the Sherwood Forresters (Derbyshire Regiment). He was born in 1872 and I believe he was in S.A. 1897/8.
Many thanks
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Hi there, I would love to find out if my Grand Grandfather is on the British South Africa Company Medal Roll.
I know he was awarded the medal.
His name was John William Neeson.
I know that he served in the Second Matabele War 1896
He may have been in the Rhodesian Field Force.
He was Scottish.
Thank you for your help, any information would be greatly appreciated.
Rob Neeson
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His name was John William Neeson.
I know that he served in the Second Matabele War 1896
He may have been in the Rhodesian Field Force.
He was Scottish.
Hi Rob,
The nearest match on the BSAC roll is J.W.Nelson (a logical mistranscription I guess)
He was a trooper with Robertson's Cape Boys - 1896 medal
http://samilitaryhistory.org/vol011es.html
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Thank you for your reply. Do you know if there were any other people with the surname Neeson who were awarded the Medal for service in Matableland 1896?
Or if a unit known as the Rhodesian Field Force existed during that conflict?
But you are right that could be him and they misspelled his name. I know he was underage, only 16 years old during the War.
He left us photos and notes where he kept refering to the Rhodesian Field Force so I am curious about that unit, if it was an unofficial name for the Cape Boy's.
Thanks again
Rob
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I just thought, would it be possible to check if there was a
John Dorries or John Dorris who was awarded that medal in 1896?
Thank you so much, best regards
Rob
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The reason I dont think he could be a cape boy is because
Baden Powell noted that "Cape Boys were natives and half-castes from the Cape Colony, mostly English-speaking, and dressed and armed like Europeans". He was a Scottish Seaman who joined the Colonial forces I believe.
So i am not sure if thats him when I think about it
Rob
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No Dorris or Dorries on the roll, and no Neesons. A Neilson and 7 or 8 Nelsons though.
If you follow that link I gave you, there was no specific unit called the Rhodesian Field Force.
I guess it could have reasonably been used as an umbrella term for the force as a whole though.
That's how the term was used in the Boer War a few years later, ie encompassing all units serving in Rhodesia.
Are you sure he didn't serve in the Boer War instead?
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I know that he served in the Boer War as well
His full service history was:
Matabeleland 1896
China 1900 and the
Boer War 1901-1902
I know that he was in 1 Battalion Kitcheners Fighting Scouts from 1901 as he is on the nominal roll as John William Neeson, and he then enlisted in the Transport Corp in 1902 once the 1KFS was disbanded. I have his ribbon bar with the BSA company medal ribbon and he wrote down that he did serve at Matabeleland in 1896.
I have just read that the Rhodesia Field Force was a corp of 5000 soldiers under the command of Lt General Sir Frederick Carrington established by the BSA Company formed in 1900.
So you are right the RFF post-dates Matabele. So he must have been in a different unit at Matabele.
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Are any of the other Nelson's, J Nelson. Thanks so much, Rob
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Just for what it is worth details of thousands of people who fought in the Second Anglo-Boer War have been compiled into a single online collection for the first time, making it easier for family historians to learn more about their ancestor’s experiences in the conflict.
The records, now available at www.findmypast.co.uk list the names of more than 260,000 soldiers, nurses and civilians who served with the British Imperial Forces between 1899 and 1902. Included in the collection are a series of medal rolls, a casualty list detailing almost 60,000 individuals. A gazetteer of the conflict and others.
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Worth knowing Caz, my problem is that a relative born in India, fought in the 2nd Boer War, then enlisted in The AIF from Sydney Australia in 1914, listing his occupation as an accountant. I need to know 1) When did he arrive in South Africa? 2) After the war did he return to India, or go directly to Australia? 3) When and where did he qualify as an accountant?
He was finally killed at Gallipoli in August 1915.
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Hi, My Grandfather (Mothers father) was born in Middlesex UK around 1870 and went to Africa in the 1880s and was with the British South Africa Company. He married a Dutch Boer (my Grandmother) and came to Australia in 1917. He was involved in the Matabele Rebellion which I beleive was in 1893 or 1896? and he was also in Rhodesia, Bulawayo and we think Mashonoland?
My Grandfathers name is:- Phillip Lewellan Jenkins and he was awarded the BSAC Medal and we believe, the Boer War Medal set and may have been at the Defence of Kimberley. All we have now is some photos and a Matabele ribbon bar as the medals were sold during the Depression years here in Australia. Not much to go on but could you look up the BSAC rolls to find any info on him!
Thank You
Carl Smith
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Carl,
The only one on the medal roll who fits the bill is Trooper P.L.Jenkins of E-troop, Bulawayo Field Force. He received the medal for Rhodesia 1896
http://samilitaryhistory.org/vol014ng.html
:)
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Thank You I think this is my Grandfather and thank you so much for the info.
PS: how can I look at the Roll myself..!!
Tks
Carl Smith
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Hi there,
looking for some help!!
just been given my grt grandfathers 1879 South Africa medal, 1239 PTE Joseph Taylor 99th Foot. Can you tell me anything abut is service or where I can find out more. interestingly, he seems to appear in the 1881 census in Stoke Damerel Military Hospital in Pymouth.
many thanks for any assistance. :)
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Edited - due to a find of further information.
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My Great Great Uncle was there and awarded the BSAC medal 'Rhodesia 1896' (MFR). His name was Corpl. William Henry Parke. I know his birth details and some subsequent military career in the Boer War and finally his death in 1916 in France but that is about it.
Any information would be appreciated.
Best regards
Chris Stoker
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My Great Great Uncle was there and awarded the BSAC medal 'Rhodesia 1896' (MFR). His name was Corpl. William Henry Parke. I know his birth details and some subsequent military career in the Boer War and finally his death in 1916 in France but that is about it.
Hi Chris,
The roll confirms he qualified for the 1896 medal as a corporal in the MRF (Matabeleland Relief Force).
One further bit of information I can give you, he's a confirmed Jameson Raider.
He was a corporal in A-troop, MMP (Matabeleland Mounted Police) when he rode in the raid.
Can I ask, who was he serving with by the time of the Boer War?
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wonder if anyone can help...
we have just been given my grt grandfathers 1879 South Africa medal; 1239 PTE Joseph Taylor 99th Foot. Can you tell me anything about his service or where I can find out more. Interestingly, he seems to appear in the 1881 census in Stoke Damerel Military Hospital in Pymouth.
any assistance would be very gratefully recieved! Thanks :)
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hi,,when and where was he born? ;)
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hi , he was born in Ringmer, East sussex ( I think the registration district is Lewes) in 1859 & lived in Uckfield.
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HI,,I had a look to see if he had a service/pension record on findmypast,,but cannot see one :'(
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My Great Great Uncle was there and awarded the BSAC medal 'Rhodesia 1896' (MFR). His name was Corpl. William Henry Parke. I know his birth details and some subsequent military career in the Boer War and finally his death in 1916 in France but that is about it.
Hi Chris,
The roll confirms he qualified for the 1896 medal as a corporal in the MRF (Matabeleland Relief Force).
One further bit of information I can give you, he's a confirmed Jameson Raider.
He was a corporal in A-troop, MMP (Matabeleland Mounted Police) when he rode in the raid.
Can I ask, who was he serving with by the time of the Boer War?
Neil, having trouble attaching files. Will send information only now and if you e-mail me I can send you the 2 supporting documents: Roll of Honour for SA Medal' and 'List of men Transferred to 1st Class Army Reserve'.
WHP was a Gunner with the No4 Mountain Battery, Royal Garrison Artillery where he was awarded the SA Medal with several clasps. I only have his BSAC medal sadly. He is shown as deceased but can be found being put on the reserve in 1902.
Best regards
Chris
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Chris, Take your email address down before moderators see it and remove it for you. When you have completed 4 posts you will be able to send personal messages to other members.
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Neil, having trouble attaching files. Will send information only now and if you e-mail me I can send you the 2 supporting documents: Roll of Honour for SA Medal' and 'List of men Transferred to 1st Class Army Reserve'.
That's OK, don't need to see anything, I'll take your word.
WHP was a Gunner with the No4 Mountain Battery, Royal Garrison Artillery where he was awarded the SA Medal with several clasps. I only have his BSAC medal sadly. He is shown as deceased but can be found being put on the reserve in 1902.
I have him as dying of disease in Pretoria in 1901. Are you saying that's wrong?
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Yes. He was transferred to the Army 1st reserve in 1902.
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Yes. He was transferred to the Army 1st reserve in 1902.
So what's going on here I wonder...?
He's on the casualty roll as dying in 1901, there's a death certificate available, and he's named on the Boer War memorial in Norwich......
That all sounds definitive to me. On second thoughts, feel free to email my the documents.
PM sent.
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My Great Uncle served in the BSACP 1889 to 1892. Charles Stephenson MURRAY Reg No. 781. I would appreciate any additional information you may find on him. I know he ended up as a Captain in the Irish Rifles and was killed on the Somme in WW1.
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Hello Neil,
I wonder if you can help me please.
I recently acquired a BSAC medal (Rhodesia 1896) which was awarded to trooper J.Whitton "C" troop BFF.
Other information I was given was that he was in Brands Patrol and that he was wounded in action on 5th August 1896.
I have read that Captain Brand was in command of a troop of the Bulawayo Field Force but that the force was disbanded in July 1896.
There was an action against the Matabele in the Matopos Hills on the 5th of August 1896 lead by Colonel Plummer.
Are you able to confirm whether the information I have is correct concerning Trooper Whitton.
I would appreciate any other info that you may have on him.
Many thanks, Alan
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Please could you help us? Our relative is R. Gunnell. He is the holder of the British South Africa Company Medal 1896. He was a Trooper (as far as we know) MRF. We think it stands for Matabelea Relief Force. We believe that this was the Rhodesia champaign. We would be grateful if you could help us, as my husband knows very little about his family, as he was born to older parents. Thank you Maureen Gunnell
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Hi,
Iam trying find info on my Grandfather (Mothers Father) who participated in the Matabele Rebellion in Rhodesia 1896.
His name was - Phillip Lewellan Jenkins and I believe he was in E Troop Bulawayo Volunteer Rifles..
I have his BSA ribbon but unfortunately the medal was sold during the 1930s Depression.
I would appreciate any info and is it possible to get a scan of a page that he may be listed on..
Thanks
Carl Smith
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The British South Africa Medal Roll is a record of all men who fought in the early Rhodesian Campaigns of 1830, 1893, 1896 and 1897.
If you believe any of your ancentors were there, send me a note of the surname and initials, regimental number and name of regiment I'll see what we can find.
If you don't have the military information, I'll see what can be done with only the surname and initials.
Hi
I have found some information on my wife's grandfather, Private John Ruston No 2577 3rd Bn West Yorkshire reg (prince of Wales's Own)
died 7Th January 1916 aged 40 years
He held:- The British South Africa Company Medal
The queens South Africa Medal with Transvaal, Orange Free State, Cape Colony, Bars
Kings South Africa Medal with South Africa 1901 & South Africa 1902 bars
Coronation Medal 1911, Please can you give me any further information and which battles he fought in
Best regards
Geoff
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Hi
I have found some information on my wife's grandfather, Private John Ruston No 2577 3rd Bn West Yorkshire reg (prince of Wales's Own)
died 7Th January 1916 aged 40 years
He held:- The British South Africa Company Medal
The queens South Africa Medal with Transvaal, Orange Free State, Cape Colony, Bars
Kings South Africa Medal with South Africa 1901 & South Africa 1902 bars
Coronation Medal 1911, Please can you give me any further information and which battles he fought in
Best regards
Geoff
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Hi
I have found some information on my wife's grandfather, Private John Ruston No 2577 3rd Bn West Yorkshire reg (prince of Wales's Own)
died 7 Th January 1916 aged 40 years
He held:- The British South Africa Company Medal
The queens South Africa Medal with Transvaal, Orange Free State, Cape Colony, Bars
Kings South Africa Medal with South Africa 1901 & South Africa 1902 bars
Coronation Medal 1911, Please can you give me any further information and which battles he fought in
Best regards
Geoff
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Thanks
les
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Hi Les
Can you help or am I in the wrong place?
I have found some information on my wife's grandfather, Private John Ruston No 2577 3rd Btn West Yorkshire reg (prince of Wales's Own)
died 7 th January 1916 aged 40 years
He held:- The British South Africa Company Medal
The queens South Africa Medal with Transvaal, Orange Free State, Cape Colony, Bars
Kings South Africa Medal with South Africa 1901 & South Africa 1902 bars
Coronation Medal 1911, Please can you give me any further information and which battles he fought in
Best regards
Geoff
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Hi,
I am looking for information about my grandfather, Alan Barling LUSH, who I believe was with the British South Africa Police Force in the First Matabele Uprising in 1893. Would be most grateful if anyone could supply details of his service, medals, etc. Many thanks, Alan Lush.
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Hello, I do not know if Iam on the right website, if not please can you help or advise, yes, Iam looking for a needle in a hay stack, imfo is Charles Coe born 1863 yaxley Hunts suggests he MAY have been in the Boer War?????????? service no 15017, private, royal medical corps roll 219,, thats all imfo I have on him, he also may have worked on the railway in S/Africa, very many thanks.Margaret.
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Hello Alan & Margaret
I have tried many times to get help finding information but never had a reply so dont hold your breath..
Regards
Geoff :(
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Thankyou very much,Margaret.
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This is a very old post that was started in 2005 by JH Lister who hasn't been on Rootschat since September 2005 unfortunately.
Carol
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I am going to lock this topic for now to save others posting on it.
Milly (Armed Forces Moderator)