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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Warwickshire => Topic started by: janismccahill on Saturday 22 April 17 15:07 BST (UK)
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I am searching for any information on the parents and siblings of Thomas Moore who gives his birth as August 1864 in Birmingham / Coventry ( two papers and two different birth locations). He came to Canada in 1874 with the Middlemore Homes. We have the Middlemore records and no parents are given. He puts his parents as Bridget and Johannes on his marriage certificate (not sure about the accuracy as his wife's information has mistakes). Family story is his family came to England from Ireland during the famine. He says he has 7 or 10 sisters. One sister is "Mrs Tucker" from Coventry, no information about the others.
I can't seem to find anything that fits on the GRO or ancestry.
Any help or suggestions would be great.
Thanks
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Hi can anyone find the female "Moore" who became a " Mrs Tucker " possibly living in Coventry, just had to boot this one up, as would love to help, but having no luck?
Keyboard86
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I wonder what the date was of the document naming his sister as "Mrs Tucker"?
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There is a Moore family in Birmingham in 1871 with the mother Bridget giving her birthplace as Ireland. The father is Edward Moore who also comes from Ireland.
They married in Birmingham District in March 1858. Edward Moore and Bridget Loftus. Source: FreeBMD. Vol-6d, Page-172.
The family is living at 5, 30 Court, Park Street, Birmingham in 1871. Source: 1871 England Census, Class: RG10; Piece: 3108; Folio: 12.
There is not a Thomas Moore b1864 in the household, but, there is an Edward b1864.
The births of the children can be seen on the GRO Online Indexes.
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There are Tucker - Moore births in Birmingham to George + Sarah, I think
including
Samuel 1876
George 1877
John 1879
(1881, Birmingham, piece 2979 folio 65 page 29)
But did she marry George Tucker as Sarah Moraghan, 26 July 1874, Birmingham, father Thomas Moraghan?
There is a Thomas + Bridget Moraghan in Birmingham in 1871, with a Thomas, age 6, born Birmingham
piece 3112 folio 27 page 19
Living with a married daughter by the look of it, and there also are four more daughters of theirs, including Sarah.
Youngest child of that married daughter is also Thomas (perhaps Gilmour, Thomas, mother Moroughan, Sep 1870, Birmingham)
Thomas Moraghan, bap Birmingham St Peter, 28 August 1864, born 2 August
parents Thomae + Bridgittae Coyne
John
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GRO online shows birth reg as Thomas MOORANEAN, mmn COYN, Sep qtr 1864 Birmingham.
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Also (as indexed by GRO):
Eliza MOORANCAN, mmn COYN, Sep qtr 1859 Birmingham
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Hi
Thanks for all the information
I wonder what the date was of the document naming his sister as "Mrs Tucker"?
Thomas Moore gave the information to his family - he died in 1950 - so this would be passed down as "family lore" - he said he had 7 or 10 sisters and they came to Ireland during the famine. On census records he gives his parents place of birth as Ireland.
It is possible that Moore could be a short form of "Moraghan" or "MOORANEAN" - maybe it was made to look less Irish when he was put in the Middlemore Home.
It sure has been a challenge. It's obvious he didn't talk much about his background but I think that is the case with many Home Children.
Thank you for all of your help. I will follow these leads and see if any of these named Thomas or Edward are not around in 1881 when Thomas was already in Canada.
Janis
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There is a Moore family in Birmingham in 1871 with the mother Bridget giving her birthplace as Ireland. The father is Edward Moore who also comes from Ireland.
They married in Birmingham District in March 1858. Edward Moore and Bridget Loftus. Source: FreeBMD. Vol-6d, Page-172.
The family is living at 5, 30 Court, Park Street, Birmingham in 1871. Source: 1871 England Census, Class: RG10; Piece: 3108; Folio: 12.
There is not a Thomas Moore b1864 in the household, but, there is an Edward b1864.
The births of the children can be seen on the GRO Online Indexes.
This looked like a great lead with both parents from Ireland. I searched this family and they are all still together in 1881 and 1891 - thanks - moving on to the next lead :)
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There are Tucker - Moore births in Birmingham to George + Sarah, I think
including
Samuel 1876
George 1877
John 1879
(1881, Birmingham, piece 2979 folio 65 page 29)
But did she marry George Tucker as Sarah Moraghan, 26 July 1874, Birmingham, father Thomas Moraghan?
There is a Thomas + Bridget Moraghan in Birmingham in 1871, with a Thomas, age 6, born Birmingham
piece 3112 folio 27 page 19
Living with a married daughter by the look of it, and there also are four more daughters of theirs, including Sarah.
Youngest child of that married daughter is also Thomas (perhaps Gilmour, Thomas, mother Moroughan, Sep 1870, Birmingham)
Thomas Moraghan, bap Birmingham St Peter, 28 August 1864, born 2 August
parents Thomae + Bridgittae Coyne
John
I really think you are on to something - both daughters (a Gilmour and Tucker) use the "Moore" surname when they are baptizing some of their children. I see Bridget is in the workhouse by 1901. It seems Thomas Sr has parents that were born in Ireland and emigrated to Ireland. Going to keep following that lead. Thanks so much for helping me think "outside the box"
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I would agree with some of the comments made earlier about following the Moraghan lead as I have been trying to sort out my own family lineage with similar problems to yours. My family is Moore but going back to my g. g. grandfather I have recently found out that his family name was actually Moraghan and not Moore. On the UK GRO records out of 9 children, 1 was registered as Morican, 6 as Moore, 1 as Morighan and 1 as More. On the Roman Catholic records for St Peters, Broad Street, Birmingham, 3 are baptised as a Moraghan, 3 as Moore, 1 as Moriken and 1 as Moor. My g. g. grandfather, James (Moore) Moraghan married Ann McLoughlin in Birmingham in 1850. James’ father is given as Owen, farmer, Roscommon. Next door to James and Ann in Birmingham on the 1851 census was Roger Morgan and his wife Catherine née Burke. However, on further research I have found out that Roger Morgan is actually Roger Moraghan and he is also from Roscommon (likely to be an uncle of James – research still ongoing) and his wife Catherine is from Galway.
If your Thomas is the one mentioned above then it could well be that his parents are the ones who died in 1901 and 1908 in Birmingham (Bridget Moraghan 1901 at 73 years old, volume: 6d Page: 126 and Thomas Moroghan 1908 at 80 years old, volume: 6d Page: 50).
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It certainly seems like the families are connected. Isn't it a challenge finding certificates with the name variations. This is my SIL's family and we were trying to find where his British Home Child ancestor came from. I have tried to attached a word document with information but it will not accept it. The rtf is too big as well. I did order the death certificates for Bridget and Thomas and they do appear to belong to the family I am researching. I was not able to figure out the family connection in Ireland.
I have a pdf booklet with all of the certificates, census etc. . It is too big to attach here. If you are interested, you can send me your email.
All the best
Janis