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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: Trevbet on Friday 21 April 17 19:51 BST (UK)
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I'm trying to trace John Anderson who was born in Ballyshannon, Co Donegal 2 January 1881.
I haven't been able to find a trace of him since 1901 Census in Ireland.
I have found a John Anderson a passenger on the Bavarian in March 1905 to Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada aged 24 and wondered if anyone could give me any further information.
Thank you
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For reference-
birth certificate gives parents as Thomas Anderson & Catherine Moore
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1881/02841/2041091.pdf
This looks like the Anderson family in 1901-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Ballyshannon_Rural/Legaltan/1165726
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Thank you aghadowey, I didn't think to put that information up!
I've been searching for John for a long time, I'm hoping this is him!
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His occupation on the manifest is given as farmer and his destination Winnipeg. He would have travelled from Halifax to Winnipeg by train.
John's ticket number was 8886. Ticket number 8887 was held by a Rbt (? Robert) J McIntyre, also b. Donegal, a farmer, destination Winnipeg. This suggests they knew each other and tracing the possible friend may help with John. John Anderson seems to be a rather common name.
Manitoba Vital Statistics are searchable at the link below.....
http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php
PB
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Thank you polar bear, I will follow up the McIntyre connection.
Betty
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There is a tree on A*****y that indicates John had a brother William David who also came to Canada with his wife and children and they settled in Winnipeg. Is it yours? If this is John's brother one would expect John to be in the area as well, although he seems a bit elusive at the moment.
PB
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That's him polarbear.
It's not my tree and I have followed up on William David who immigrated in 1913.
I have met this family through Rootschat, but was unaware that they had found John.
I'm not on that other website, so I can't look this up.
Thank you for your help in my search.
Betty
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Good to know there was other family about. It will hopefully help with your John.
PB
Added: there is no info in the tree other than what you put here about John.
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Thank you!
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You might have to widen your search to the U.S.
Sister Catherine Elizabeth born 1878-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRQN-R52
Looks like she married 1914 in California-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XL64-QL8
Possible? John Anderson born Jan.1881 Ireland with wife & 2 children in 1911- to Canada 1904?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV39-D4G8
line 38 (original)- http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=17163
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Oh my goodness aghadowey! You've really changed my tree!
I though I had his sister and that she'd never left Ballyshannon! I had her as never married!
This really does look like them both.
Thank you for finding this information for me!
Betty
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Hi polar bear,
I found the tree you were talking about and they are a branch of the Andersons who immigrated to Australia in the 1800's.
Another connection made through rootschat a few years ago, this is a wonderful site, it makes the world very small!
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Looks like Kate and family came to Canada.
Ooooh! They are living next door to William and Nellie Anderson in the 1916 Canada census. They arrived in Canada in 1916. Correction added: Kate and family are actually in the same household as William and Nellie.
William Anderson 33 b Ireland
Nellie 33 b Ireland
Tomas 5 b Ireland
Robert 3 b Ireland
Rebecca 7 months b Manitoba
George Buchanan 35 b Ireland
Katie 38 b Ireland
Isabella 1 b USA
1921 Canada census...
St Boniface Manitoba 255 (?) Oak Ave
George H Buchanan 40 b Ireland
Catherine 42 b Ireland
Esabella 6 b USA
Mary 3 b Manitoba
Catheline 2 b Manitoba
The family appears to have gone back to the USA. In the 1940 census they are back in California, if I remember correctly. This census has Isabella b California and a 4th daughter Nellie 17 b Canada. This census should be available through familysearch.org, I think. They are living in San Francisco.
Here it is...
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89MT-DCG3?mode=g&i=5&cc=2000219
As an aside, you might check if your local public library subscribes to Ancestry Library Addition. This would give you access to the records but I don't think to the trees.
PB
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This is fantastic!
I met descendants of William and Nellie when they came to Ireland 3 years ago! Again we met through Rootschat.
They don't know this information and I can't wait to tell them!
Some members of their family are coming over next month and want to meet up, I only heard this news last night, which made me start trying to find a John again!
This confirms that Kate is the right person, so exciting!
This means that 3 out of the 4 Anderson children immigrated, no wonder it's been so hard trying to track them down.
I'm very grateful to you and aghadowey for all the information I've received tonight.
Thank you.
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You are very welcome.
This looks like Kate's naturalization record....
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-8P3B-HL?mode=g&i=710&cc=1849982
And sadly, her death record....
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VP7H-TDJ
Burials for George and Kate are available on findagrave.
Familysearch may have info about their children....I haven't looked.
PB
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Glad to see you've now gotten lots more information :)
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It's just amazing aghadowey, thank you!
Again thank you polarbear for all your help!
Betty
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My pleasure :).
For completeness, I have added William and family to the 1916 census info I posted earlier for Kate and George.
PB
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Thank you, I'm very grateful for all your help!
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Almost losing my eyesight, I've been on the computer so long today!
Struggling to get any information on John Anderson and his children, if anyone can help.
Also been trying to find the births of George Herbert Buchanan and Kate Anderson, again, I would appreciate any help.
Thank you, Betty
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Hi again.
George's 1927 declaration of his intent to become a US citizen has his birthdate as 14 Jun 1881 Co Leitrim Ireland. His 1934 petition for same has his birthplace as Drumkeerin Ireland. His parents are listed on the marriage record posted by aghadowey back in reply #9.
Aghadowey also gave you Catherine's birth info back in reply #9. The petition above corroborates Catherine's birthplace as Ballyshannon Ireland.
PB
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Thank you polarbear, I've just reread my post!
I have been able to find that information from both you, aghadowey and past research.
I stupidly put births, it's there immigration dates I'm looking for, when they actually left Ireland.
I appreciate you taking the time to help me once again!
Betty
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Not to worry :). Will see what I can find.
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Herbert Buchanan arrived New York 04 May 1914 on the Cameronia. Age 32. A Draper. Born Drumkeerin. Contact in Ireland his mother Ann of Drumkeerin. Going to join brother Albert in San Francisco. Had been in the US before 1902-1907 (I think - a bit difficult to read) in San Francisco.
PB
A bit more will be added in a bit....
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Thank you!
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I have amended the post after a 2nd look at the records......
Very hard to read but Kate Anderson appears to have come to Canada via Portland Maine in Feb 1914, arriving Portland the 24th according to her later border crossing (below) in transit to Canada.
Kate crossed into the US at Noyes Minnesota 29 (?) Aug 1914 on route to San Francisco California. Last residence Winnipeg. She was going to join her fiance Herbert Bu......? who payed her train fare. Age 35. She had been in the US before but only in transit from Portland to Canada 24 Feb 1914. Contact in Ireland was her brother Robert George of Ballyshannon.
PB
Added: it looks like Kate had originally planned to sail for Canada in Feb of 1914. She appears on 2 different passenger manifests for the Numidian in Feb but is crossed off the list on one of them. This would generally indicate she did not sail on that date (but see remarks below) She was going to her brother David in Winnipeg.,
Amended.....I THINK she is crossed off one list b/c it was possibly for passengers travelling directly to
Canada. Kate appears on a third list that has her record stamped as gone to USA, which would have corroborated her arrival in Portland on route to Winnipeg by train in Feb 1914.
Sure hope this makes sense ;D.
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Thank you so much polarbear! This is definitely our Kate! Robert George is my husbands grandfather and her brother, along with William David.
Thank you for taking the trouble to find all this information for me.....it has totally changed our family tree.
We had Kate dying a spinster in Ballyshannon and I've been searching for John Anderson for a couple of years. It's amazing how you leave the search for a while, take a break and come back to it again and you strike gold!
The information you and aghadowey have found has been amazing, thank you!
Betty
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About the John Anderson who was referenced earlier in the 1911 Canada census, linked below as a refresher....
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=17163
I have taken a closer look at this record and I don't think he is your John. I believe this John was b Iceland, not Ireland. Under the racial or tribal origin column I believe it says Icelander, not Irish as it says fo others listed as b Ireland. If you carefully examine the writing over the entire page for words like Scotch and Scotland, with particular attention to the C, they look very similar in Scotland/Scotch and Icelander and differ from the R in Ireland and Irish in other parts of the page. John states he has been in Canada from 1884-1904.
I also believe this family is still in Prince Rupert in the 1921 Census and the POB for John J Anderson is definitely Iceland. They have a third son, Karl age 5 (but indexed as 8), plus Martin age 14 and Jack (John variant?) age 10. Frustratingly, all family members except Karl are down as b Iceland (but see below).
This same family appears to have entered the USA in December 1923. On the list of aliens applying for admission are John Julius b Iceland, Mary b England, and John B and Karl b Canada. Martin is not on this list b/c he would not be considered an alien (b in USA in 1911 census). John has his father living in Prince Rupert.
Thi family is then traceable in the 1930 and 1940 US censuses in California. John is indexed as b Ireland but the image says Iceland. The 1930 census is somewhat inconsistent about POB but I believe it is the same family.
This appears to be Martin's marriage....father b Iceland.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GBHG-DZ3?mode=g&i=379&cc=1878749
Anyway, I put this out as food for thought but I really don't think the Prince Rupert John is your John. The decision is up to you, however.
By the way, does your John have a second name the way his siblings do?
PB
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Thank you polarbear, I looked closely at the information as well and I think you're right. It definitely looks like Iceland. Sadly John has no middle name, he is called after his grandfather, who is also simply John.
He appears on the 1901 Census in Legaltan, Ballyshannon along with his father Thomas, sister and brothers.
Again, thank you for taking another look at John, I appreciate your help!
Back to the drawing board!
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Yes, it's too bad he doesn't appear to be yours.
This has been a most interesting thread! Pleased I have been able to help :).
PB
Edited: I have deleted something I put about the 1911 census connected to William and Kate. I had forgotten they hadn't arrived in Canada yet. John is certainly elusive!
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Even getting this far has been amazing!
Again I want to thank you for getting me this far.....the search continues!
Thank you
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This is a wonderful site for amateurs searching for connections to their family tree and I'm very grateful to everyone who has assisted me so far.
Can anyone advise me how to take my search further in following up the children of Kate and George Buchanan. Is there a site or search engine that I can use to assist me.
There has to be family still alive and it would be so wonderful to make contact.
Again thank you to everyone who has helped me so far.
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Hi,
From the Lodi, California Newspaper, obituary for Mary G. O'Hair, b. Mary Grace Buchanan July 21,
1917 Winnipeg, Manitoba to George and Kathleen Buchanan, d. January 9, 2012 Lodi, California.
Predeceased by husband Bob and two sisters Bella Anderson, Katty (sp) Maubert. Survived by
4 sons and one sister.
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/lodinews/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=155516062
Cheers,
DB
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Hello Trevbet.
I noticed you have started a new thread related to Kate and George. Looks like you are getting lots of info through it :). I am going to post a link to it here since it is related to your most recent post on this thread. Hope you will be able to make contact with a living family member.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=772709.0
PB
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Thanks PB, :) I didn't see that other post on the USA board.
Cheers,
DB
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Thank you dbree and polarbear, making great headway with Kate and her family, it's been amazing!
Struggling with John, so many John Andersons!!
We met up with 2nd cousins of the Anderson family today that we made contact with through Rootschat. They are on a tour from Winnipeg and we met in Belfast and it was lovely to share all this new information with them, they had no idea either that Kate had immigrated as well.
So thank you to everyone for their help!
Betty
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What a great outcome! I'm so pleased for you all. Thanks for the update.
PB
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Dear Trevbet,
I am a family member! Stimulated by an upcoming trip to Ireland in early May (my first) I just started with this site and am also searching for living family members. I would enjoy making contact and sharing information.
Mary Buchanan O'Hair was my aunt.
Apparently I need to make another post before the private contact function becomes available.
VG