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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Denbighshire => Wales => Denbighshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: powderpuff on Saturday 15 April 17 15:11 BST (UK)
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Hi, does anyone have access to Wrexham Parish records for a 1919 marriage - Nancy Challoner to William Herbert Jones.
Nancy died in childbirth in 1924 but keen to know her fathers name.
I believe William's father is Samuel Jones, hewer.
Any help appreciated.
Thanks
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Can't see a birth for her so I can see why you need the marriage info!
Wonder if she had been married previous. Did the child survive to cross check her maiden name on the birth?
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She was 28 when she died in the Dec qtr 1924 so birthyear 1896
There is a Jones/Challoner birth in the same RD and qtr 1924 so mmn was Challoner
2 older children born 1919 and 1920 - mmn Challoner
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Looked at this earlier, saw the age at death. Thought maybe Agnes is Nancy..as Agnes can be an alternate/pet name for Nancy.
https://www.familytreeforum.com/showthread.php/48942-Which-name-would-Nancy-be-short-for
Maybe red herring, but cannot find a suitable birth for Nancy or in census. Firstborn child to couple is also named Robert, possible connection or coincidence?
1901 - Town & Hamlet, Holt, Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales
Robert Chaloner Head Married Male 43 Labourer (Agricultural) Holt, Denbighshire
Ann Chaloner Wife Married Female 47 Tilston, Cheshire
Timothy Chaloner Son Male 13 Holt, Denbighshire
Agnes Chaloner Daughter Female 7 Holt, Denbighshire
Robert Chaloner Son Male 5 Holt, Denbighshire
Joseph Chaloner Son Male 1 Holt, Denbighshire
George Chaloner Father Married Male 69 Basket Maker Holt, Denbighshire
In Cheshire in last census as a servant.
Think you need to obtain her marriage cert, it is not online, unless you get a look up. Could be completely wrong but worth a go...
Age is out a little to age at death.
CHALONER, AGNES Mmn EDGE
GRO Reference: 1894 M Quarter in WREXHAM Volume 11B Page 222
Parent marriage Sep Q 1893 Same page
Chaloner Robert Wrexham 11b 438
Edge Ann Wrexham 11b 438
Cas
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Thanks to all
I'm not sure if Nancy had been married before her marriage to William H Jones in 1919, it's possible.
I have the birth record in 1924 of the child born in the marriage, the child survived but Nancy died in childbirth, the birth certificate confirms mother deceased. I wasn't aware of the two other children born in 1919 and 1920, thank you for the information. I'm not sure what happened to both children,... another avenue to research, its possible both didn't survive. William re-married and having found him in the 1939 register there are no children with him other than with his new wife.
The person born in 1924 was informally adopted by his Aunt and her husband, he is with the family on the 1939 register.
I had no idea Nancy had alternative names, makes researching confusing but the record found by Cas(stallc) is a good lead, although, am thinking a marriage certificate may be the only option if there are no records online.
Thanks so much for looking and a Happy Easter!
PP
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Thanks to all
I'm not sure if Nancy had been married before her marriage to William H Jones in 1919, it's possible.
Hi PP, Happy Easter to you also :)
The 3 children born to this couple all have Mmn as Challoner, as she married as Challoner it is unlikely that she married previous.
Let us know details if you obtain the MC.
Regards Cas
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Hi
Happy Easter :)
The North Wales BMD has the marriage taking place in St James, Rhosddu (part of Wrexham) but, unfortunately, the records don't seem to be online anywhere. I've searched as many online sources that I know of.
Gadget
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Thanks Gadget,
Its frustrating as most of my ancestors seem to be married in St James, Rhosddu.
I think I will need a certificate - will post as soon as its received.
I found both the earlier children born in the marriage, (Robert & May) both died shortly after birth, Robert being the name of the first born child does lead me to the 1901 census posted by Cas (stallc)
Thanks
PP
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Thanks Gadget,
Its frustrating as most of my ancestors seem to be married in St James, Rhosddu.
I think I will need a certificate - will post as soon as its received.
I found both the earlier children born in the marriage, (Robert & May) both died shortly after birth, Robert being the name of the first born child does lead me to the 1901 census posted by Cas (stallc)
Thanks
PP
Hi
Happy Easter :)
The North Wales BMD has the marriage taking place in St James, Rhosddu (part of Wrexham) but, unfortunately, the records don't seem to be online anywhere. I've searched as many online sources that I know of.
Gadget
If you can wait until Tuesday,I'll at least find out who Nancy's father was by looking up the marriage in the Hayes Marriage Index at the Research centre of Clwyd FHS.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Thank you, that would be fantastic!
PP
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Thank you, that would be fantastic!
PP
it might be a little easier to search for her if we know her Father's name?
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Re: the children born 1919 and 1920
Deaths June qtr 1919 (birth was in same qtr)
Robert J Jones 0 Wrexham 11b 308
Deaths June qtr 1920 (birth was in same qtr)
May Jones 0 Wrexham 11b 330
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wrjones - OP doesn't know the name of the father which is why she wants the details from the marriage certificate (as stated at the outset).
Annette
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wrjones - OP doesn't know the name of the father which is why she wants the details from the marriage certificate (as stated at the outset).
Annette
Of course,though it will be easier to search for her if we can get the Father's name?
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Of course,though it will be easier to search for her if we can get the Father's name?
Regards
William Russell Jones.
You could try Robert Challoner first as there are a number of online trees for the one that Cas lists in 1901 that do look promising.
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If it helps I believe the father of William Herbert Jones is a Samuel Jones.
Thanks
PP
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Hi PP, do you have his year of birth? William Herbert..
Cas
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William Herbert Jones born November 1895, taken from 1939 register
Census record in 1911- 30 Nelson Street, Wrexham with parents Samuel and Elizabeth (nee Phillips).
The birth certificate of the son born in 1924 has the same address, 30 Nelson Street.
PP
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Think your spot on :)
1901 - Nelson Terrace, Stansty, Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales (image states no 21)
Saml Jones Husband Married Male 55 Coal Miner Chirk, Denbighshire
Elizth Jones Wife Married Female 47 Glyn, Llangollen, Denbighshire
Sarah E Jones Daughter Female 21 Rhosddu, Wrexham.
Edward T Jones Son Male 19 Engine Cleaner, Stansty
Clara Jones Daughter Female 10, Stansty
Hester Jones Daughter Female 8, Stansty
Wm H Jones Son Male 5, Stansty
JONES, WILLIAM HERBERT Mmn PHILLIPS
GRO Reference: 1895 D Quarter in WREXHAM Volume 11B Page 252
Cas
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I'll wait to see what WR turns up but if it's the Samuel Jones that I think it is, his parents were Edward and Sarah and I think he's a distant realtive of mine :)
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I think I'm getting there- Clara Jones was the sister who informally adopted William's son born in 1924 so believe I'm on the right track.
I found an obituary with all the family names that fit, including William's second wife which started me off on the journey.
Thanks for all the input
PP
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Hi Gadget
It's very possible, Edward and Sarah are I believe the parents of Samuel Jones, Samuel was born in Chirk, Vron Vriara, in about 1845, he married Elizabeth Phillips in 1873.
Samuel is my gt gt grandfather. I've not explored the siblings of Samuel as yet.
PP
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I was looking at their marriage entry online and was going to ask if it was Elizabeth Phillips - March 31st, Llangollen. They were both living Foncysylte at the time.
All my info is on my other computer so will look it out. I think my relationship is fairly distant but they all lived in Black Park/Halton in those days.