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General => Armed Forces => Topic started by: Bhx7 on Monday 10 April 17 20:02 BST (UK)
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Hi All
I am looking for any help to identify my Gt Gt Grandfather Edward Lauderdale's uniform and also anything else I can find out about him. He was b1866 in Northumberland and living in Durham County by the outbreak of WW1.
Thanks
Brian
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Shoulder title "T" usually denotes TF however this is placed over the County name & as you can see this is on it's own.
He's wearing the pre 1916 economy tunic so at the moment I would say he's pre war TF.
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National Archive medal card index (WO 372) has:
Lauderdale, Edward, Private 21/598 Northumberland Fusiliers
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Shoulder title "T" usually denotes TF however this is placed over the County name & as you can see this is on it's own.
He's wearing the pre 1916 economy tunic so at the moment I would say he's pre war TF.
Thanks Jim. You will have to forgive my ignorance but what does the TF stand for. Cheers Brian
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National Archive medal card index (WO 372) has:
Lauderdale, Edward, Private 21/598 Northumberland Fusiliers
Thanks Philip. Unfortunately I can't be sure this is him as other information states that this man was 41 years old when demobbed. Mine would have been near 52. He died in 1920 aged 55 years.
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TF=Territorial Force. Formed 1908 from the old Militias.
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Thank you Jim. Feel a bit stupid now :-\ It was fairly obvious once you stated it. Totally appreciate it.
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The medal card is also on ancestry.co.uk - Northumberland Fusiliers Cl P
Gives date of enlistment as 10 Nov 1914, date of discharge 8 Apr 1918
Also gives a cause of discharge - I think it's
A.0.265/14
2.B.I
Might be a site that helps decipher this abbreviation?
On 1911 census there's an Edward Lauderdale age 49 born Bellingham Northumberland , worker in coal mine, living at 45 Derwentside Cottages, Ebchester, Medomsley, Durham, with wife Mary and 2 daughters Ada Lauderdale, 10, and Sarah Wood Lauderdale, 5. Could this be him? (Census indicates there were 8 other children)
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Thanks YFS
Yes, that's my family. Most of their children were either in service or left home by the 1911 Census. My gt grandmother, Edward & Mary's daughter was in London working as a Servent.
My main curiosity at this time is more the Military side. Especially relating to Edward. This is the only photo I have of him and I find it intriguing.
As for the records I think this is the man who was only aged 41 when he was demobbed due to something to do with his spine.
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I wonder if he had previous military experience? As otherwise surely it would have been relatively unusual for a man with family in his late 40s at the beginning of WW1 to enlist? Would that link in with the TF connection? I'm no expert...
They were often a bit inaccurate with their age, and sometimes on purpose - although perhaps an 11 year discrepancy is pushing it. Haven't found any other possibilities though.
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You never know, maybe it is the same man. Will dig a bit deeper. Thanks
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A.0.265/14 actually 17
2.B.I
Might be a site that helps decipher this abbreviation?
Discharged under KR 392 sub. 2B 1 refers to his SWB number.
Discharged due to sickness aged 44. (1918).
No longer physically fit.
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Hi Jim
Would you say this could be my Gt GT Grandfather then? Does the age difference tally with things which happened back then. I know from his granddaughter that he was supposed to have been in WW1. I had thought that he would have possibly been too old. I don't think I have ever managed to find any army records for the Edward Lauderdale mentioned on the medal card, etc.. that would prove one way or the other that this is or isn't mine. Any help once again would be truly appreciated.
Thanks
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Many older men were involved in home defence & never went overseas & he might have been one of those.
Served in WW1 but at home so there won't be a medal card for him.
Many young men lied about their age in order to get in but I've never heard of it the other way round.
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Thank you Jim appreciate your candor.
Best regards
Brian
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Forgot to mention 21/538 refers to the 21st. Batt. NF. They were a Pals Battalion raised in Newcastle in 1914 so no reason to believe it's him.
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The one anomaly is that there doesn't appear to be an Edward Lauderdale born C. 1874.
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That was my only reservation for not ignoring this particular set of records completely. I have searched to find another Edward Lauderdale and can only find mine. The only other I can find was a cousin of his who unfortunately died in infancy. Maybe I am missing something, certainly wouldn't be the first time ::)
Thanks
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So the question is could a man shave 8 years off his age & get away with it.
Looking at a picture of the 2nd. Tyneside Scottish (21/NF) they are not all spring chickens with some looking well into their 30's.
However his shoulder title is not of that Batt.
You could look at local papers for the time as men often got mentioned.