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dear all,
while visiting St. Mary's Church in Bocking, Essex, I came across a somewhat dilapidated tomb tucked just around the back with a broken grayish stone slab on top which didn't seem to match the rest of the white stoned tomb. The text on this slab first attracted my attention but I soon dismissed this as unreadable and turned to the inscription on the side of the tomb itself and to my surprise it was a monument to the three daughters of a Joseph Rogers and his wife Susannah !
The information I could get from the inscription ;
Caroline Rogers died 21-09-1851 (3rd daughter)
Sarah Susanna Rogers died 27-07-18xx (eldest daughter wife of Rev. Charles Wakeham AM
Eleanor Rogers died 21-01-1880 (2nd daughter)
I photographed the grey slab as best as I could and did actually find the name Rogers on it and I guess I should have taken an etching or rather many etchings as it was quite a large slab, maybe I can find time to do so Monday, as Sunday I travel to Sudbury and Tuesday I return to Holland,,, anyway, can anyone please find any more information on Joseph, Susanna and his three daughters for me please ? Its quite fascinating and possibly sad as it seems that Joseph and Susanna out lived their daughters ? did they have other sisters and brothers and who was Rev. Charles Wakeham, was he the vicar at St. Mary's ? It is quite a monumental tomb.
Many thanks
Pete Rogers
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Presume they are not connected to your own FH?
Have you checked for census entries for them?
Caroline should be on the 1851 and her death will be on freebmd so you can check her age by using the new GRO facility
Eleanor will be on the 1871 and freebmd will give her age at death
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp
Have you checked freebmd for a death for Sarah Susanna Wakeham - there is one in 1863 so you should be able to find her on the 1861 census
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Hi Carol,
I'm not sure if they are related. I had to travel light and only have limited internet access on dodgy wifi at the B&B I'm based, I am glad I can that I can log in at Roots chat.com, trying to search other sites just results in a crash or takes forever,,,,,, which is why I am hoping for help :P
kind regards
Pete
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Charles Wakeham was the curate of the neighbouring parish of Panfield from 1782 to (I assume) 1797. He died while rector of Wickenby, Lincolnshire in 1822. He was buried in Bocking on 28.03.1822, aged 61.
Most of this info has come from the Clergy database, but he was performing marriages in Bocking in 1814!
Unfortunately his will is not much help, it is of the "all to wife" variety.
Mark
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1851
Bocking End, Bocking, Braintree, Essex, England
Sarah S Wakeham Head Widow Female 62 Fundholder Middlesex, Pimer
Caroline Rogers Sister Unmarried Female 58 Fundholder Middlesex, Pimer
3 servants
Added: Image does state Pimer.
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And in 1861
Sarah S Wakeham 74 - widow, fund holder, b Pinner
Eleanor Rogers 73 - sister, fund holder,b Pinner
(plus servants)
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Eleanor Rogers
Baptism 26 Aug 1787, St John the Baptist, Pinner
Parents
Joseph Rogers,
Susannah Rogers
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1841
Bocking End, Bocking, Braintree, Essex, England
All not b in county
Sarah Wakeham 50 Ind
Ellen Rogers 45 Ind
Caroline Rogers 45 Ind
3 servants
Cas
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I suspect that the parents did not outlive the daughters in view of the 1861 census. The attached shows that Susan set up a fund/charity to pay for the care of the tomb. Ignore the date, I suspect that this was the date the Charities Commission did some spring cleaning. http://beta.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details/?regid=232547&subid=0
There seems to have been a tradition of members of the Wakeman family as vicars in Bocking, previously a Nicholas Wakeman and possibly a Perryman Wakeman.
This I found on the SEAX website Title:
Marriage licence bond and allegation of Charles Wakeham and Sarah Susanna Rogers
Level: Category
Archdeaconry records
Level: Fonds
ARCHDEACONRY OF COLCHESTER
Level: Sub-Fonds
MARRIAGE LICENCES: BONDS AND ALLEGATIONS
Level: File
Marriage licence, bonds and allegations
Dates of Creation:
1811
Someone with more knowledge of C of E workings may be able to add more information, but Bocking was a "Parish Peculiar", in that while it was situated in the Diocese of Chelmsford, it came under the Diocese of Canterbury.
I can find no marriage in either Panfield or Bocking, but as the Rogers girls were born in Pinner, Middlesex, maybe the marriage took place there, but why the reference to Archdeacon of Colchester??????????
A trip to ERO at Chelmsford on Monday may help with that.
Mark
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https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar/GetImgSrc?filePath=%2F1880%2FR%2F004419_rogers_1880.Png
Died 24 Jan 1880 - Eleanor Rogers late of Bocking personal estate under 12,000. Sole executor George Arthur Rooks of 12 Bloomsbury Square Middlesex (gentleman)
G. A. Rooks he is a solicitor in 1881.
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#calendar
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Sarah Susanna Wakeham died Bocking 27 July 1863. Effects under £30,000. Will with codicils proved by Charles Ody Rooks gentleman of Woodland Terrace, Stoke Newington, Henry Jackson, gentleman, Braintree and John Jackson, gentleman, of Foreham All Saints nr Bury St Edmonds the executors
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all three gentlemen appear to be solicitors, so may be chosen for their profession rather than any family connections. Henry and John Jackson may be brothers - both born Great Easton 1795-1800. Henry lives in Bocking End in 1861. Charles is based in London- he is the father of George Arthur, Eleanor's executor
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dear all,
thank you so very much for all this wonderful information ::) I would be very interested to find out when and where Joseph Rogers was born and whom his parents where ? I cannot place him in my tree as unfortunately I only have a basic tree with me ???
I visited Bocking and Braintree yesterday and managed to stop at many other smaller villages to visit the beautiful churches there and discovered an unknown ancestors gravestone at Earls Colne which I am very excited about ;D
best wishes
Pete
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dear all
as a result of my recent visit to St. Mary's at Bocking, Essex, I came across a tomb to the three daughters of a Joseph Rogers and Susannah (unknown). Their daughters names being ;
Sarah Susanna Rogers died 27-07-18??. Wife/widow of Rev. Charles Wakeham, rev of Wakeham c1782, died Bocking, Essex, 28-03-1822, aged 61
Eleanor Rogers bap 26-08-1787, st. John the Baptist, Pinner, Middlesex. died 21-01-1880, Pinner, Middx and buried Bocking.
Caroline Rogers died 21-09-1851, buried St.Mary's, Bocking, Essex.
A friend of mine did a search on Ancestry and it seems that nobody is researching this family and I would be very grateful if anyone could discover the marriage of Joseph and Susannah. I believe that they where in the Pinner area as Eleanor was baptised there. Hopefully they also married in this area ??? I have since been informed that all three daughters died at Pinner and where buried at Bocking, Essex through some kind of trust fund.
I would be very appreciative for any help with this question and hope that the marriage of the parents may help with expanding this forgotten Family and obscure grave/tomb which has managed to survive with its inscription still intact and readable .....
Kind Regards
Pete Rogers
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Connected post here with info re: family
Posts merged.
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Hi
Thanks Carole for additional family info from link
There are a couple of marriages, one in London at St Laurence Jewry " Joseph Rogers Esq. of St Dunstans widower mar Susannah Ingram of the parish of St Mary Magdalen Milk Street on the 3 October 1784 by licence.
And one in Canterbury : Joseph Rogers married Susannnah Burgess after Banns 15th April 1779
Have you tried searching for a Will, which may give further clues ?
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Hi,
It would appear that Caroline Rogers died in 1854 & not 1851. This from FreeBMD & GRO index:
Rogers, Caroline; Age 65; Sept Qtr 1854; Braintree Reg Dist; Vol 4a Page 254.
This therefore suggests a year of birth as 1788/89.
Sarah Susanna Wakeham nee' Rogers death was in the same registration district aged 77 in 1863.
Hope this helps.
Kind regards
David
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again thanks to all for this information,,,,,
Caroline 1854 and not 51, thanks, I looked at the photo I took and although it does still look like a 1 it is weathered. There was also a large grey slab (broken) on top of the tomb with lots of text that I couldn't read although I could just about pick out at the name Rogers twice, I should have gone back and taken a rubbing :P maybe there will be a record of this inscription somewhere ?
I was very interested to read about the Trust for the upkeep of the tomb (and window ? didn't see that !!!) which was closed off in 2000, which is a shame as it will now gradually become dilapidated.
The probate search link is great, I didn't know of this site and indeed a will may be of some help ;D
Two possible marriages,, I guess the only way to find out is to order them both and hope for more clues ,,,,, ::)
again Thanks to all.
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Solved the Window question ;
The cost of building the Church was funded from a bequest from Miss Frances Wakeham who died on 14th March 1893. Miss Wakeham left £4,500 towards the building of a second Church in the Parish of Bocking.
Above the small arches are five small windows (known as the clerestory windows). These windows are inscribed with the letters F and W (the initials of Miss Frances Wakeham).
http://www.stpeters-bocking.net/html/about_st_peters.html
The inscription on the broken slab on top of the tomb is proving difficult to track down, but where there is a will (no pun intended) ,,,,,,
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On taking a second look, I came across this, not sure how it all fits in ;
White's Directory 1848
Rev. Perryman Wakeham M.A.
Mrs. Susan Wakeham, Bocking End
https://historyhouse.co.uk/placeB/essexb26b.html
hope its OK to paste the URL here ::)
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Its been a while and I still haven't managed to track down the girls parents: Joseph and Susanne ???
I spotted a couple of possible marriages on Familysearch,
Joseph and Susannah Burgess at Faversham, Kent 1799, and
Joseph and Susannah Wall at Barking, Essex, 09-01-1785
Nothing really in Pinner, Middlesex though. Can anyone give me a nudge in the right direction?
::) ;D ::)
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Hi
I can add a couple of things to maybe help your search.
Joseph Rogers left a Will in the PCC, which can be found on the National Archives website. It does mention wife Susanna, and his three daughters. Probate was granted December 1806.
He dies in Swaffham in Norfolk and was buried there on November 17th 1806 aged 81 yrs and was a surgeon. So looking for a birthdate c1725.
Given his age at death and the ages of his children maybe it was a second marriage for him.
Claire
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Possible Ref: ancestry
Joseph Rogers Esq. of St Dunstan in the West, widower married Susanna Ingram of St Mary Magdalen, Milk Street, spinster.
At Christ Church, Newgate Street London on 3 October 1784.
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Another entry handwritten not typed says they married by License St Lawrence Jewry, London on 3 October 1784
Witness Edward Dowling and Benjamin Holloway - he signs several others
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Think this is the couple that the OP is searching for :)
Sunday last was married, at St Lawrence church, Guildhall, London, Mr. Joseph Rogers, formerly an eminent surgeon in this city, to Miss Ingram, niece to Mr. Dowling, of Aldermanbury."
Norfolk Chronicle, Oct. 9, 1784.
Claire
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Thanks Claire, that solves that question.
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Ref: NFHS transcriptions
Lydia daughter of Joseph and Susanna Rogers Buried 1 August 1803 age 12 at Swaffam
Born circa 1791
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St John the Baptist Pinner Middlesex
Lydia bap 21 August 1791 daughter of Joseph and "Elizabeth"
The image is on ancestry. I think this is the correct baptism, the clerk wrote the wrong mothers name.
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Background information
Bury and Norwich Post 20 January 1802
The Rev. Moore son of the Archbishop of Canterbury is expected to succeed Dr. Wakeham in the valuable Deanery of Bocking.
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Perhaps this is the father of Charles Wakeham.
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Bury and Norwich Post 28 July 1802
The Archbishop of Canterbury has appointed the Bishop of St David's to the rural deanery of Bocking in Essex, void by the death of the Rev. Dr. Wakeham
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FindMyPast transcription
Charles Wakeham married Sarah Susanna Rogers 3 December 1811 at Black Notley by Banns
He was of Bocking
She was of Black Notley.
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FreeReg also has a transcription
St Peter and St Paul, Black Notley
Charles Wakeham of Bocking - Clerk and Sarah Susanna Rogers by license 3 December 1811.
Witnesses:- S. Roberts., T Rogers, E. Rogers, Charles Walker, Caroline Rogers, Charles Roberts.
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So after the death of Joseph Rogers 1806 in Swaffam Norfolk the family moved to Black Notley Essex.
Perhaps the mother Susanna Ingram was originally from the area.
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Lincoln Rutland and Stamford Mercury 29 March 1822
On the 20th instant at Bocking in Essex in his 63rd year the Rev. Charles Wakeham a Prebendary of Litchfield and Coventry and Rector of Wickenby in this County.
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So born circa 1761 he was a lot older than Sarah Susannah nee Rogers born circa 1785.
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Possible death of mother.
Burial of a Susannah Rogers in Bocking on 19 April 1838 age 80 years old.
GRO Index also says 80 years old Reg. Braintree. 1838
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dear all,
thank you all so very much for all your efforts, WoW! :o Fantastic information and this forgotten family is gradually coming together ;D I am studying all that has been added to the post and using this new information, I have actually found someone on Geneanet with these people in their tree!
again thanks
Pete
The tree on geneanet gives Susanna's parents as:
Joseph Ingram and Susanna Towler, bap 03-12-1729, Norwich.
Their marriage: 16-12-1756, Norwich.
The Towler line goes back another 3 generations.
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It seems the title of my post is incorrect, Joseph would not have been of Bocking!
Looking at he's time line, it seems he was born c1725, place unknown. He is educated, thus from a wealthy family? and becomes a surgeon / apothecary in London. We can see him next as a widower marrying Susanna Ingram in 1784 at what seems to be the very prestigious venue of St. Lawrence, Guildhall, London, were he claims to be of St. Dunston in the West, London.
Shortly after their marriage they are producing offspring in Pinner, Middlesex (1786 - 1791) They then bury daughter Lydia in 1803 in Swaffham, Norwich and then Joseph is also buried there in 1806.
It does seem he is originally from London? but I have only managed to find one possible :
Joseph Rogers bap 20-06-1726, St. James, Piccadilly London parents Joseph and Mary.
The gap of being born in 1725' ish and marrying Sarah in 1784 is a long period, maybe there is some way to track down his education as surgeon? Does anyone have any experience with that kind of research?
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Hi
From one of the posts about Joseph's marriage to Susanna it would seem that he was a widower.
There is a marriage in Norwich c1750 (where he was practising) to an Elizabeth. One of the children I found to this marriage was a Catherine.
A newspaper report c1820's was a death notice for a Catherine Elizabeth Hardy, an elderly lady whose father was named as the late Joseph Rogers Esq. formerly of Swaffham, Norfolk.
Have you tried in the Norfolk area looking for a birth - there is a Joseph Rogers in Norwich in the 1720's who is a Baker, and could possibly be his father.
Claire
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Hi again,
To add to the above I also found a few notices in the 1770's of a Joseph Rogers household contents being sold in Swaffham. Could this be your man ? Selling his items for a move to London - where he met his second wife.
Food for thought
Claire
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Everey so often I pick this line up again and see If I can find something new on various sites.
I came across an entry on IGI for the marriage of Charles Wakeham and Sara Susannah Rogers (father J. Rogers Esq.) 14-12-1811, Norwich, Norfolk. I have this marriage as 03-12-1811 at Black Notley, Essex.
The source is stated as a marriage notice in the 'Norfolk Chronicle' so maybe the date of the notice printed? Unfortunately the image is not available. observations welcome :)
Yet another new entry on FamilySearch.org, this time the obituary of Sarah Susanna Wakeham (nee Rogers) 27-07-1863, Stamford, Lincolnshire (place of death totally unexpected) and once again frustratingly 'Image unavailable' !!! ???
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Hi
There is a probate entry.
Died in Bocking 27 July 1863, effects under £30,000. Her Will and Codicil was proven and granted to
Charles Ody Rooks of Stoke Newington, Middlesex, Gent.
Henry Jackson of Braintree Essex, Gent.
John Jackson of Fornham All Saints Suffolk, Gent
Claire
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Hi
From one of the posts about Joseph's marriage to Susanna it would seem that he was a widower.
There is a marriage in Norwich c1750 (where he was practising) to an Elizabeth. One of the children I found to this marriage was a Catherine.
A newspaper report c1820's was a death notice for a Catherine Elizabeth Hardy, an elderly lady whose father was named as the late Joseph Rogers Esq. formerly of Swaffham, Norfolk.
Have you tried in the Norfolk area looking for a birth - there is a Joseph Rogers in Norwich in the 1720's who is a Baker, and could possibly be his father.
Claire
Hi Claire,
thanks for your contribution ;D Indeed Joseph was a widower and I have played about with this on and off since you posted your findings. I found the 1850 marriage you mention to Elizabeth Rippingale (or Rippingull) at Heigham, Norfolk. I have searched for her demise/burial (1752 -1784) and have a number of possibilities but nothing to say which one ???
The newspaper obituary you mention is a great find! I have now found it too on IGI (Norfolk Chronical 09 aug 1834) but unfortunately it is not viewable :( so frustrating ! that would be fascinating to read. The baptism of Catherine at St. Anderews, Norwich on 26th aug 1752 ties in nicely although she does suddenly acquires a middle name for her obituary.
I shall plod on ::)
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He dies in Swaffham in Norfolk and was buried there on November 17th 1806 aged 81 yrs and was a surgeon. So looking for a birthdate c1725.
The newspaper article in the Norfolk Chronicle, 26 nov 1806 reads: ' Yesterday se' nnight died at Swaffham, aged 84, Joseph Rogers, Gent formerly a surgeon and apothecary of this city' . So aged 84 in 1806 gives a birth year of 1722.
I am attempting to discover the parents and possible siblings of Joseph Rogers c1722.
Searching for a Joseph Rogers born or baptised somewhere in Norfolk yields no immediate candidates ??? does anyone have any tips? Claire mentioned there being a Joseph Rogers in Norwich in the 1720's, a baker and a possible candidate as Joseph jnr's Father, but try as I may I cant find any mention of him,,,,
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Hi
From one of the posts about Joseph's marriage to Susanna it would seem that he was a widower.
There is a marriage in Norwich c1750 (where he was practising) to an Elizabeth. One of the children I found to this marriage was a Catherine.
A newspaper report c1820's was a death notice for a Catherine Elizabeth Hardy, an elderly lady whose father was named as the late Joseph Rogers Esq. formerly of Swaffham, Norfolk.
Have you tried in the Norfolk area looking for a birth - there is a Joseph Rogers in Norwich in the 1720's who is a Baker, and could possibly be his father.
Claire
There is a marriage entry:
Name Julien Hardy
Record Type Mariage (Marriage)
Marriage Date 26 sept. 1786 (26 Sep 1786)
Marriage Place Melesse, Ille-et-Vilaine, France, Bretagne
Spouse
Catherine Roger
???
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Hi
Think this Catherine was the daughter of a Pierre and Guillametta Bernard. Hope the link works
https://archives-en-ligne.ille-et-vilaine.fr/thot_internet/FrmLotDocFrame.asp?idlot=428181&idfic=524249&ref=428181&appliCindoc=THOPDESC&resX=360&resY=780&init=1&visionneuseHTML5=1
Claire
EDIT : The record of marriage can be found on page 9.
She was also born in 1745, in France (I think)
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There is a marriage in Norwich c1750 (where he was practising) to an Elizabeth. One of the children I found to this marriage was a Catherine.
Indenture: Bargain and Sale. Joseph Rogers of Norwich, surgeon, and Elizabeth, his wife, granddaughter of Elizabeth Rippingall of Norwich, widow, decd, to John Harmer of Norwich, surgeon.
30 Aug 1753
Messuage with barns and buildings in St Mary Unburnt and St Saviour, Norwich.
Link to NROCAT
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tt4/
Marriage bond on FS, maybe (and unusually) it doesn't give an occupation for Joseph
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DR17-63G
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Using the new FS full text search, The Harmer name comes up a lot with Joseph Rogers.
An eldest son called Harmer?
Letter of Attorney under the Hand and Seal of Joseph Rogers of Pinner in the - County of Middlesex Esquire a Copy hold Tenant of this Manor and also under the Hand and seal of Harmer Rogers of Woodford Bridge in the County of Essex Surgeon , Eldest son of the said Joseph Rogers....
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D1PQ-7X3?view=fullText&keywords=Joseph%20Rogers%2CPinner&lang=en&groupId=
Looking for "joseph rogers" just in UK / England / Norfolk in the 1700's produces a lot of results (some may be on different pages/images in the same document). This is also because Norfolk records on FS are mainly open to view at home.
https://www.familysearch.org/en/search/full-text/results?count=20&q.fullName=%22joseph%20rogers%22&c.recordYear1=on&f.recordYear0=1700&c.recordPlace1=on&f.recordPlace0=9&c.recordPlace2=on&f.recordPlace1=9%2CEngland&c.recordPlace3=on&f.recordPlace2=9%2CEngland%2CNorfolk
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Maybe
Will of Elizabeth Rippingall, Widow of Norwich , Norfolk
26 May 1743
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D509293
Haven't read it, but her granddaughter Elizabeth is certainly in there.
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Using the new FS full text search, The Harmer name comes up a lot with Joseph Rogers.
Hopefully something useful here.
Will of John Harmer of Norwich, 1755, Archdeaconry of Norwich
https://nrocatalogue.norfolk.gov.uk/index.php/harmer-john-of-norwich-2
Here it is on FamilySearch (probate details continue next image)
John Harmer of the City of Norwich, Surgeon
Everything to Joseph Rogers of ye said City, Surgeon, who is also named as sole executor
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C398-89VR-4
Go back to the will of Susannah Bacon of Aylsham, 1736
https://nrocatalogue.norfolk.gov.uk/index.php/bacon-susannah-of-aylsham
And here on FS, using full text search (the transcription is not 100% accurate!)
given & bequeathed (that is to say) to Joseph Rogers son of Joseph Rogers of London Gentleman and Nephew to Catherine the wife of Mr John Harmer of the City of Norwich Surgeon the sum of ten guineas to be paid within seven months next after my Decease.....
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSN6-CR28?view=fullText&keywords=Joseph%20Rogers%2CSurgeon&lang=en&groupId==
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given & bequeathed (that is to say) to Joseph Rogers son of Joseph Rogers of London Gentleman and Nephew to Catherine the wife of Mr John Harmer of the City of Norwich Surgeon the sum of ten guineas to be paid within seven months next after my Decease.....
So, if he survived, this one might be a good candidate. Have any others emerged?
It does seem he is originally from London? but I have only managed to find one possible :
Joseph Rogers bap 20-06-1726, St. James, Piccadilly London parents Joseph and Mary.
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Going back to Joseph's son Harmer, the surgeon in Woodford Bridge, I guess this must be his burial at Woodford, 28 January 1802, age 49
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/683617af86557413f932b63c
Sadly a 14 year old Harmer Rogers was buried at Woodford in 1790.
Harmer's wife was Elizabeth.
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What do we really know about Joseph Rogers ?
His death 17-11-1806 states that he died aged 84 which gives a birth of 1722. It also mentions that he was a Surgeon and Apothecary of Swaffham Norfolk. Incidentally, next to his name on his will there is D.D (Doctor of Divinity?)
First marriage to Elizabeth Rippingale at Heigham, Norfolk, 16-08-1750 and birth of daughter Katherine 16-08-1752, St Andrew Norwich, (Kathrine's date of death unknown)
Second marriage to Susanna Ingram at London, St Lawrence, Guildhall, 09-10-1784.
Birth of his 4 daughters at Pinner, Middlesex, 1786 - 1791.
His death in 1806 in Norfolk (presumably Swaffham)
The beginnings of a nice little-time line with some large gaps, but no real clue to where he was born? Swaffham, Norfolk somewhere else, London or Pinner? ???
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Everey so often I pick this line up again and see If I can find something new on various sites.
I came across an entry on IGI for the marriage of Charles Wakeham and Sara Susannah Rogers (father J. Rogers Esq.) 14-12-1811, Norwich, Norfolk. I have this marriage as 03-12-1811 at Black Notley, Essex.
The source is stated as a marriage notice in the 'Norfolk Chronicle' so maybe the date of the notice printed? Unfortunately the image is not available. observations welcome :)
Yet another new entry on FamilySearch.org, this time the obituary of Sarah Susanna Wakeham (nee Rogers) 27-07-1863, Stamford, Lincolnshire (place of death totally unexpected) and once again frustratingly 'Image unavailable' !!! ???
Her husband Rev. Charles Wakeham was at Wickenby, Lincs., from 1801 to 1822, hence her obituary in Lincolnshire (not place of death).
https://theclergydatabase.org.uk/jsp/persons/CreatePersonFrames.jsp?PersonID=582
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given & bequeathed (that is to say) to Joseph Rogers son of Joseph Rogers of London Gentleman and Nephew to Catherine the wife of Mr John Harmer of the City of Norwich Surgeon the sum of ten guineas to be paid within seven months next after my Decease.....
So, if he survived, this one might be a good candidate. Have any others emerged?
It does seem he is originally from London? but I have only managed to find one possible :
Joseph Rogers bap 20-06-1726, St. James, Piccadilly London parents Joseph and Mary.
Another good candidate?
Jos. Rogers
Vital • England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Jos. Rogers person details
Name Jos. Rogers
Sex Male
Father's Name Jos Rogers
Father's Sex Male
Mother's Name Sarah
Mother's Sex Female
Event Type Christening
Event Date 11 Mar 1723
Event Place Saint Botolph without Aldgate, London, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original) St Botolph Without Aldgate, London, London, England
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Norfolk Family History Society
transcription - Swaffam
Buried 17 November 1806 Joseph Rogers age 81. Surgeon. Married
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It was mentioned death of daughter Katherine from first marriage unknown.
Norfolk Chronicle dated 9 August 1834
Saturday last aged 82, Mrs. Catherine Elizabeth Hardy, of St Giles daughter of the late Joseph Rogers
Esq. formerly of Swaffam.
Notes
John Hardy widower married Catherine Elizabeth Paviour- widow 30 January 1815 at St. Julian, Norwich.
Need to find her first marriage
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Katherine/Catherine Elizabeth Rogers first marriage was to John Pavior - widower 9 February 1786 at
Saint Dunstan's, London by Banns.
Both were of the parish.
Witnesses were Elizabeth Hollings and Francis Bishop.
There is a John Pavior of Norwich buried Great Yarmouth 15 October 1813 age 58.
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Catherine Hardy formerly Pavior nee Rogers left a will, it is at the Norfolk Records Office
1834 Catherine Hardy folio 63 #42
Archdeaconry wills.
Might be worth a look if she mentions her half sisters and any children she may have had.
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Norfolk Family History Society
transcription - Swaffam
Buried 17 November 1806 Joseph Rogers age 81. Surgeon. Married
thus birth year = 1725 ???
This kinda contradicts the Norfolk Chronicle, 26 nov 1806: 'Yesterday se' night died at Swaffham, aged 84. Joseph Rogers, Gent. Formerly a surgeon and Apothecary of this city'
thus year of birth = 1722
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Catherine Hardy formerly Pavior nee Rogers left a will, it is at the Norfolk Records Office
1834 Catherine Hardy folio 63 #42
Archdeaconry wills.
Here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSN6-9SQW-P
Buried 17 November 1806 Joseph Rogers age 81. Surgeon. Married
Parish register here. First entry
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DT1Y-1T
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Looking for "joseph rogers" just in UK / England / Norfolk in the 1700's produces a lot of results (some may be on different pages/images in the same document). This is also because Norfolk records on FS are mainly open to view at home.
https://www.familysearch.org/en/search/full-text/results?count=20&q.fullName=%22joseph%20rogers%22&c.recordYear1=on&f.recordYear0=1700&c.recordPlace1=on&f.recordPlace0=9&c.recordPlace2=on&f.recordPlace1=9%2CEngland&c.recordPlace3=on&f.recordPlace2=9%2CEngland%2CNorfolk
I spent the weekend wading through each and every document extracting any information regarding Joseph's whereabouts. A quick summary:
1725 - birth - unknown, born most probably in Norfolk († in 1806 aged 81 = 1725)
1750 - Heigham, Norfolk (marriage to Elizabeth Rippingale)
1750 - 1774 - Norfolk
1775 - Knapton, Norfolk
1776 - Swaffield, Norfolk
1777 (sept) - Swaffield, Norfolk
1777 (nov) - Kidwelly, Carmathan ???
1784 - London (marriage to Susanna Ingram)
1786 - 1795 - Pinner, Middlesex
1806 - Swaffham, Norfolk (place of death, aged)
His eldest son, Harmer Rogers of Woodbridge, Essex, is mentioned between 1793 and 1795.
By stating that Harmer is Josephs eldest son implies one or more other sons,,,,,,, ::)
The mention of hometown being Kidwelly in the county of Carmathan, came as a suprise :P
Anyway, the timeline grows ;D
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Searching Ancestry and Family search.com there are 48 Joseph Rogers's born between 1720 and 1727, six of whom have father also named Joseph:
Joseph Rogers bap 21-08-1720 St Leonard, Yorkshire. parents Joseph & unknown
Joseph Rogers bap 17-04-1721 St Mary, Whitechapel, Middx. parents: Joseph & Elizabeth
Joseph Rogers bap 25-08-1723 Melton, Hampshire. parents: Jos & Mary
Joseph Rogers bap 11-03-1723 St Botolph, Aldgate, London. parents Jos & Sarah
Joseph Rogers bap 20-11-1725 ::) Stanhope, Durham. parents: Joseph & unknown
Joseph Rogers bap 20-06-1726 St James, Piccadilly, Westminster. parent: Joseph & Mary
of these 6, 3 are born London (none born Norfolk), so these 3 look to be the best candidates.
Not really sure where to go from here ???
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Petey - You may wish to check the baptism date of no. 5.
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given & bequeathed (that is to say) to Joseph Rogers son of Joseph Rogers of London Gentleman and Nephew to Catherine the wife of Mr John Harmer of the City of Norwich Surgeon the sum of ten guineas to be paid within seven months next after my Decease.....
Marriages
31 Oct 1717 at St Benet Paul's Wharf
John Harmer + Catherine Cross
JH of Norwich
Catherine of St Brides London
3 May 1724 at St Giles in the Fields
Joseph Rogers + Mary Cross
So possibly the best candidate is
Joseph Rogers bap 20-06-1726 St James, Piccadilly, Westminster. parent: Joseph & Mary
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So possibly the best candidate is
Joseph Rogers bap 20-06-1726 St James, Piccadilly, Westminster. parent: Joseph & Mary
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Totally agree, fantastic !!! ;D
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found this:
at St Dunston and All Saints, Stepney, London. Burial 30-05-1751,
Mary wife of Joseph, aged 49 (=b c1702)
So closing in on the Cross family ::)
(sorry, I cant figure out how to attatch a crop of the image ???)