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I am researching my mothers family tree (Sanctuary) & have traced them back from York via Lincs to Norfolk. I have come to a halt with Robert Sanctuary who married Mary Galloway on 13/12/1815 in Gayton parish. So far I have been unable to find any record of his birth or who his parents were. I would be grateful to anyone who can throw any light on this.
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There is a Robert Sanctuary baptism in Wendling, Norfolk on 28 Jan 1871 to parents John & Susanna. Is this the right area and do these names feature amongst his children?
Pheno
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There is a Robert Sanctuary baptism in Wendling, Norfolk on 28 Jan 1871 .......
Pheno
That should be 1781 ;D
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NXMH-L4T
Debra :)
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Robert Sanctuary m Mary Galloway
1792–1821 1792–1821
Parents..
John Sanctuary
1767–1848
Frances Brown Marriage: 30 JUN 1793 Gayton,Norfolk,England
1770–1836
https://familysearch.org
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Robert Sanctuary
1792–1821
Where are you seeing this baptism to John and Frances?
Debra :)
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Robert Sanctuary
1792–1821
Where are you seeing this baptism to John and Frances?
Debra :)
Robert Sanctuary
1792–1821 • KD9K-NMW
Mary Galloway
1792–1821 • KZP4-CJ6
Marriage: 13 Dec 1815
Gayton, Norfolk, England
James Sanctuary
1816–Deceased • MCB1-LC9
Sarah Anne Sanctuary
1819–Deceased • MCB1-LCH
James Sanctuary
Deceased • 9MBX-B2B
Sarah Sanctuary
Deceased • 9MBX-BL4
Parents and Siblings
John Sanctuary
1767–1848 • K8GV-MVY
Frances Brown
1770–1836 • K45R-F7M
Marriage: 30 JUN 1793
Gayton,Norfolk,England
Anne Sanctuary
1736–Deceased • KZLK-V9L
Robert Sanctuary
1792–1821 • KD9K-NMW
John Sanctuary
1798–1851 • MCB1-LH7
Sarah Sanctuary
1815–Deceased • K8R5-SC7
John Sanctuary
Deceased • 9MBX-TC5
As it's on family search it needs checking carefully.
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Hello Debra & Solidrock,
Thanks for your asistance on my search. I have searched on Family Search but cannot bring up the records that Solidrock has listed. As I am new to this I am guessing I must have framed my search badly. If you have the patience Solidrock can you tell me exactly how you framed your search to get the results you did please? The references you quoted - such as KD9K-CJ6 - can these be directly searched? I tried but got a nil result.
Many thanks,
Derek
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Robert Sanctuary
1792–1821
Where are you seeing this baptism to John and Frances?
Debra :)
Judging by the numbers after each entry they look as though they may be on someones tree - If so definitely to be treated with a big pinch of salt ::)
Rosie
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Hi derekparkinson,
On Family Search, search-family tree, add details and choose from selection. Like Rosie says treat with a big pinch of salt and check all the details.
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As has been mentioned several times about familysearch trees, members construct them for the purpose of baptising 'their' dead but seem happy to include anyone who they consider may be family.
I looked at the archdeacons registers for a couple of those entries given by solidrock and they were not there, it may be that the information had not been transferred from parish register to archdeacons transcripts or maybe just that it never happened. Personally I only use other peoples trees as a guide and only enter information on my tree where I have substantiated it myself from original records.
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Just posting details of the 13 December 1815 Gayton marriage (from Bishops transcripts)
Robert Sanctuary -bachelor
Mary Galloway -spinster
married by banns
witnesses Mary Ann Ballard & John Davis
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There are pages missing from either the original registers or the
Bishop's Archdeacon's Transcripts for Gayton.
This lot copied 27 April 1793:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939X-DTSB
The next page starts at 1794 and covers entries from 25 March 1794 so that is a whole year missing.
The SANCTUARY/BROWN marriage is indexed by both Phillimore and Boyd so it must exist somewhere.
Debra :)
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Family search has it as Norwich
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NF9K-BH4
I had looked on Gayton archdeacons transcript for it and could not see it there :-\
Familysearch film takes you to
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/255340?availability=Family%20History%20Library
Bishop's transcripts for the Archdeaconry of Norwich, 1685-1925
so probably not Norwich itself
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It appears to me that Sarah Ann married Richard AUSTIN
1851 they are in Gedney, Lincs
Richard Austin, 35
Sarah Ann Austin, 33, born Gayton, Norfolk
By 1881 she is back in Norfolk and Widowed, born c 1822 Gayton.
They appear to have had no Children.
Burial;
MARY Sanctuary
age: 29
birth: 1792
burial: 14 June 1821, Gayton, Norfolk
(Extracted Record Familysearch.Org)
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Some entries from the Gayton registers that Derek may already have:
1780 Burial - Christopher SANCTUARY
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939X-DTJM
1786 Marriage - Sarah SANCTUARY and John JEWELL
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939X-DTWV
1788 Marriage - Jane SANCTUARY and John HART
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939X-DT4H
1805 Baptism - Elizabeth, illegitimate daughter of Sarah GALLOWAY
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939X-DTH1
1809 Burial - Elizabeth GALLOWAY, infant
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939X-DTWH
1809 Marriage - Elizabeth GALLOWAY and John DAWS
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939X-DTWB
(John DAWS was the witness at the wedding of Robert SANCTUARY and Mary GALLOWAY)
1811 Marriage - Sarah GALLOWAY and William KENDALL
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939X-DT4J
I would be reasonably confident that this baptism in 1798 is a son of John and Frances SANCTUARY, the name recorded as SAINTY? I can't see any other entries for this couple.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939X-DT3C
I only had a quick skim through so there may be more, and some of the pages are almost illegible.
Debra :)
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Many thanks to Dundee, Debra, Rosie99,Trish1120 & Solidrock for your continued assistance to me.
Dundee - thanks for the list you posted. I have found all of them & probably every other Sanctuary in Norfolk - I just cannot find a record that proves Robert was the son of John & Francis!! I have also checked out Saintuary & Sainty - both of whom I believe to be the same Sanctuary family. However I haven't found your 1798 record under Sainty - can you tell me where you found it please? I believe you have found the problem that prevents me finding a baptism for Robert with the missing records for Gayton. If John & Francis married in 1793 it is probable their first born child was born in that year or 1794 given the speed with which pregnancy either pre-dated the marriage in those days or followed swiftly after.
Trish1120 - I'm not sure which Sarah Ann you are referring to - could you just let me know who her parents are? My branch of the Sanctuarys did indeed move to Gedney, Lincs before moving on to Guisborough, Yorks then finally York itself.
Rosie99 - westacre is listed as a parish under Norwich but Gayton is not - I'm not sure to whom it belongs at the moment.
Many thanks to you all,
Derek
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However I haven't found your 1798 record under Sainty - can you tell me where you found it please?
Derek
Just click on the link in my post....
I would be reasonably confident that this baptism in 1798 is a son of John and Frances SANCTUARY, the name recorded as SAINTY? I can't see any other entries for this couple.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939X-DT3C
Debra :)
It appears to me that Sarah Ann married Richard AUSTIN
1851 they are in Gedney, Lincs
Richard Austin, 35
Sarah Ann Austin, 33, born Gayton, Norfolk
Robert's (possible) sister Sarah married Thomas GARRETT/GARROD in 1836. In 1841 father John is with them, in 1851 brother John is with them....
1841
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M795-Q3Q
1851
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGD2-WYP
Sarah's baptism in 1815 shows her father John as a Thatcher and the baptisms of Robert's children show him as a Shoemaker.
It looks like Robert was in debtor's prison in 1827:
Robert SANCTUARY, formerly of Gayton, and late of Fouldon, Norfolk, Thatcher and Boot and Shoe-Maker.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jwd/
Debra :)
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According to the Norfolk record office they have the original parish registers for Gayton and that is what you need - not transcripts, copies, or indexes.
http://www.archives.norfolk.gov.uk/view/NCC154771
There is no guarantee that they will be complete either, but hopefully they are.
Debra :)
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Sorry I was referring to this Sarah Anne in the info posted by Solidrock;
Sarah Anne Sanctuary
1819–Deceased • MCB1-LCH
James Sanctuary
Deceased • 9MBX-B2B
Sarah Sanctuary
Deceased • 9MBX-BL4
Parents ROBERT/MARY Sanctuary (Mary nee Galloway)